How Exactly Did The Russians Influence The U.S. Elections?

[Underhill]

In other words....
Establishing that Russians hacked Democrats will have only political & PR effects.
I just can't get worked up about something with no material consequences.
This is especially so, given that governments are routinely hacking each other,
including Americastan.

Of course not. Because it helped your guy. If Clinton were headed for the whitehouse and people thought the Russians had anything to do with it there would probably be people on the streets with guns.

 

[Underhill]

Don't be distracted by the red herrings in the room. No one, with a modicum of intelligence and intellectual honesty believes that the Russians weren't behind this. There's no doubt that we've been hacked by them, in fact they've identified THREE different Russian groups, two connected to the current Russian government, that have hacked into DNC and DNCCC servers. Not one, not two, but three. They even seemed to be at odds as there were sometimes two of these entities snooping around at the same time. One seemed to be happy just snooping. One definitely wanted to stir crap up. The third, well they haven't figured out their role just yet.

No, this is just those who voted for the bully bigot Trump trying to justify their vote. No, not really to us, but to themselves. They're going to lose a lot of face when this really blows up. It may be worse than Watergate. I can see Trump giving us peace signs and declaring "I am not a crook!" already. Won't that be a sight.

Of course it was. It was only a few months ago that we learned (for those that pay attention) that the NSA itself was hacked by Russians. The notion that we don't know what that looks like is absurd.

 

[esmith]

Probably no one should be voting by the metric, but the alternative is probably no less than dumb, so. But it is something that one of the biggest gaps in the last election fell along education levels.

Hmmm, do you consider yourself one of the liberal elite
Sanders: Trump Won Because Democrats Focused Too Much On Wealthy "Liberal Elite"

or you still trying to understand the country has rejected the current Democrats platform
Democrats Breaking Records: Control Fewest State Legislatures in History

 

[Revoltingest]

In what way? Nobody is claiming the Russians haven't hacking them. Only that they don't know the motives.
Of course it does. You honestly think career agency people are going to stick their neck out for a president that is gone in a few weeks?

We're covering well trodden ground.
There's still no evidence presented to us,
& the claim of certainty is still unsupported.

 

[Parchment]

"The U.S. Intelligence Community first publicly affirmed in an October 2016 letter, its confidence Russia interfered in the 2016 US elections.[1] The Office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI), representing seventeen intelligence agencies, in a joint letter with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS), said Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.[1] On October 7, the DNI and DHS stated the intelligence community was confident Russia had directed Democratic National Committee (DNC) cyber-attacks and the release of its private documents.[1] The report stated these acts were conducted in an attempt to influence the results of the U.S. election.[2][3][4] Russia stated they were not involved.[5]

Senior U.S. officials and U.S. intelligence agencies stated they had high confidence[6] that Russia facilitated WikiLeaks obtaining hacked emails from the DNC and Clinton campaign chair John Podesta to influence the election and elect Donald Trump.[7][8][9] A senior U.S. official said the conclusions were the consensus of multiple intelligence agencies.[10]"

Revoltingest saved me the trouble in post #259

probably no one should be voting by the metric, but the alternative is probably no less than dumb, so. But it is something that one of the biggest gaps in the last election fell along education levels.

At least that is what some in the media claimed, the smart money will vote for (insert candidate name) and the less educated will vote for (insert candidate name)- it's nothing new.

 

[Revoltingest]

Of course not. Because it helped your guy.

You're dismissing the independent objective fact that there is no actionable information to be had.
If the Russians did do it, it points to the need for information security.
We wouldn't benefit from any retaliation, either cyber, economic or military.
If the Russians didn't do it, it still points to the need for information security.
Explain how this is partisan.

If Clinton were headed for the whitehouse and people thought the Russians had anything to do with it there would probably be people on the streets with guns.

Wild speculation isn't evidence of anything.

 

[Scuba Pete]

It's getting worse: U.S. officials say Putin helped direct the use of hacked materials

It appears that Putin is personally involved. Wow.

Maybe RNC stands for Russia's National Committee?

 

[habiru]

Of course it was. It was only a few months ago that we learned (for those that pay attention) that the NSA itself was hacked by Russians. The notion that we don't know what that looks like is absurd.

Well, the NSA hacks into our computers and phones all of the time. But if the Russians were hacking, they probably probing to see what crazy Hillary is up to. Those emails were legitimate emails. And so we are to be more worried about what is on those emails rather than Russia. Those emails were stating about things that they were up to. How they were communicating about how stupid is their supporters, that they will believe everything that they tells them. That all they need is to use someone of celebrities status to get their support and how they been lying to the public. And some of the emails were about child pornography and etc.. But y'all will say , "That it is a natural behavior for grown people to have strong sexual desires for children". But not all people thinks like that. Because Hillary and her supporters has that type of mentality doesn't necessarily means that we all think that it is a normal behavior. And so the main issue is to handle what is on those emails first, and then see who has hacked who, later on down the line after prosecution of their dirty deeds.


When the FBI obtains a search warrant for an electronic device, they search for terms related to the crime. In the case of Weiner, the FBI was searching for terms related to child pornography. Thus, the FBI searches for child pornography related terms.This is obvious, but it’s also important, and everyone seems to have glossed over it.

One of the first terms to be searched for would likely be “lolita”; an extremely common slang term used among child predators in reference to underage children they find attractive. Flight logs revealed that, on at least 26 separate occasions, Bill Clinton accompanied sex offender Jeffrey Epstein on his Boeing 747, which Epstein had nicknamed the “Lolita Express.” He allegedly had a team of traffickers who procured girls as young as 12 for him and his fellow passengers on their way to “Orgy Island,” a 72-acre island called Little St. James. FBI Had to Have Found Evidence of Child Pornography in Clinton Emails

 

[Underhill]

We're covering well trodden ground.
There's still no evidence presented to us,
& the claim of certainty is still unsupported.

So you have to actually sit in on the trial to accept the verdict? The fact that the judge, the lawyers and the jury saw the evidence just wouldn't be enough for you?

 

[Underhill]

Well, the NSA hacks into our computers and phones all of the time. But if the Russians were hacking, they probably probing to see what crazy Hillary is up to. Those emails were legitimate emails. And so we are to be more worried about what is on those emails rather than Russia. Those emails were stating about things that they were up to. How they were communicating about how stupid is their supporters, that they will believe everything that they tells them. That all they need is to use someone of celebrities status to get their support and how they been lying to the public. And some of the emails were about child pornography and etc.. But y'all will say , "That it is a natural behavior for grown people to have strong sexual desires for children". But not all people thinks like that. Because Hillary and her supporters has that type of mentality doesn't necessarily means that we all think that it is a normal behavior. And so the main issue is to handle what is on those emails first, and then see who has hacked who, later on down the line after prosecution of their dirty deeds.


When the FBI obtains a search warrant for an electronic device, they search for terms related to the crime. In the case of Weiner, the FBI was searching for terms related to child pornography. Thus, the FBI searches for child pornography related terms.This is obvious, but it’s also important, and everyone seems to have glossed over it.

One of the first terms to be searched for would likely be “lolita”; an extremely common slang term used among child predators in reference to underage children they find attractive. Flight logs revealed that, on at least 26 separate occasions, Bill Clinton accompanied sex offender Jeffrey Epstein on his Boeing 747, which Epstein had nicknamed the “Lolita Express.” He allegedly had a team of traffickers who procured girls as young as 12 for him and his fellow passengers on their way to “Orgy Island,” a 72-acre island called Little St. James. FBI Had to Have Found Evidence of Child Pornography in Clinton Emails

So where is the Revolt chorus screaming about lack of evidence here?

 

[Underhill]

You're dismissing the independent objective fact that there is no actionable information to be had.
If the Russians did do it, it points to the need for information security.
We wouldn't benefit from any retaliation, either cyber, economic or military.
If the Russians didn't do it, it still points to the need for information security.
Explain how this is partisan.

I already have. You've acknowledged Trump is the obviously better choice from Russias perspective. It is all about motive. If Trump is actively working for Russian causes while in the white house, that is treason. If he is working the Russian angle for personal gain, it's corruption.

Republicans spent how many years investigating the Clintons with much less evidence?

You better get used to it to. Trump has no grounds for any complaining about mistreatment by anyone after the shellacking he has given Obama with zero evidence. The Kenyan, Muslim with no birth certificate garbage spouted for 5+ years tends to do that.

 

[habiru]

So where is the Revolt chorus screaming about lack of evidence here?

The lack of evidence is that there's no one that is pursuing the matters. And if you are referring about the NSA hacking us. We doesn't need any evidence for that. that is why nobody that has sense doesn't take a shower in the nude anymore.

 

[Underhill]

The lack of evidence is that there's no one that is pursuing the matters. And if you are referring about the NSA hacking us. We doesn't need any evidence for that. that is why nobody that has sense doesn't take a shower in the nude anymore.

No, the NSA hacking is not what I am talking about. And technically what the NSA is doing is not hacking. It's intelligence gathering. We may not like it, but it is not hacking.

 

[Scuba Pete]

If Trump is actively working for Russian causes while in the white house, that is treason. If he is working the Russian angle for personal gain, it's corruption.

It's good to know that our future POTUS has all the angles covered. Can anyone say "President Pence" with a straight face?

 

[Revoltingest]

So you have to actually sit in on the trial to accept the verdict? The fact that the judge, the lawyers and the jury saw the evidence just wouldn't be enough for you?

There is a middle ground between the extremes.

 

[Revoltingest]

I already have.

I must've missed it.

You've acknowledged Trump is the obviously better choice from Russias perspective. It is all about motive. If Trump is actively working for Russian causes while in the white house, that is treason. If he is working the Russian angle for personal gain, it's corruption.

You're using a motive as evidence?
No....motive can suggest a suspect, but it's not proof.

Republicans spent how many years investigating the Clintons with much less evidence?

You don't get to change the subject to your problems with the Clintons being investigated.

You better get used to it to. Trump has no grounds for any complaining about mistreatment by anyone after the shellacking he has given Obama with zero evidence. The Kenyan, Muslim with no birth certificate garbage spouted for 5+ years tends to do that.

Geeze....still smarting over the truther debacle.
None of this Clinton or Obama drama proves the Russians did what you claim.
That smacks of sheer desperation to believe the Evil ivan conspiracy theory.

 

[Underhill]

I must've missed it.

You're using a motive as evidence?
No....motive can suggest a suspect, but it's not proof.

You don't get to change the subject to your problems with the Clintons being investigated.

You have made hay over Hillary being corrupt with no evidence. It's funny how things change when your guy is the one in the cross hairs.

 

[Revoltingest]

You have made hay over Hillary being corrupt with no evidence.

No evidence?
Oh, what a large topic.
Here's one short article for you....
Is Hillary Clinton Corrupt?

It's funny how things change when your guy is the one in the cross hairs.

He's not my guy.
He's simply a means to prevent Hillary from winning the presidency.
You're stuck with him the same as I am because the Big Two presented us with this choice.
Blame Republicans & Democrats.

 

[Underhill]

No evidence?
Oh, what a large topic.
Here's one short article for you....
Is Hillary Clinton Corrupt?

I see a mountain of speculation in the article. No evidence. Sound familiar?

From your article.

"There is no hard evidence that Clinton’s investing success was the result of anything but amazing luck, but Bill and Hillary’s willingness to accept advice from and maintain close, mutually beneficial relationships with powerful figures is a theme that has run through the Clintons’ political careers."

and then....

"Despite years of investigations by the United States Senate and a special prosecutor, however, no one ever proved the Clintons doled out illegal benefits to McDougal."

how about...

"It’s impossible to know whether these payments influenced Hillary Clinton’s treatment of her benefactors in her official roles, or whether they will influence her decisions as president."

Clearly your standards of evidence are lower for Clinton than for Trump.

He's not my guy.
He's simply a means to prevent Hillary from winning the presidency.
You're stuck with him the same as I am because the Big Two presented us with this choice.
Blame Republicans & Democrats.

Nah, he's all yours. (If you need evidence, see above)

I want nothing to do with him.

 

[Revoltingest]

I see a mountain of speculation in the article. No evidence. Sound familiar.

I expected this.

Nah, he's all yours. I want nothing to do with him.

I gave him your home address.