How Exactly Did The Russians Influence The U.S. Elections?

[idav]

In other words....
Establishing that Russians hacked Democrats will have only political & PR effects.
I just can't get worked up about something with no material consequences.
This is especially so, given that governments are routinely hacking each other,
including Americastan.

The whole things pretty unprecedented, don't know how people can downplay that so much regardless who got influenced and why. DNC should not have waited 7 months to look into it, and politicians need to be more careful with their gmails. That could have been anyone but one side was obviously targeted, or they have more gmails and aren't saying.

 

[Revoltingest]

The whole things pretty unprecedented, don't know how people can downplay that so much regardless who got influenced and why. DNC should not have waited 7 months to look into it, and politicians need to be more careful with their gmails. That could have been anyone but one side was obviously targeted, or they have more gmails and aren't saying.

I don't have any new ground to cover.
But I advise crooked politicians to be less careful with their info security.

 

[psychoslice]

Hillary's mop just can't take being beaten by Trump, they will try in vain to do anything to win, very sad indeed.

 

[metis]

I'm trying to say is that we cannot trust any of these government agencies or politicians. Other countries and American citizens were accusing our own government of smuggling in drugs into our country. And so basically, why should we hand over our rights to them, since they doesn't has clean hands as well. I cannot figure out why Chelsea Manning is locked up for unveiling the deceitfulness that is going on in our government. And why is Eric Snowden an NSA agent has gotten himself into trouble for releasing information about the corruption that is going on as well. They are trying to keep those silent that are blowing the whistle on them. Whistle blowers are supposedly be protected under our laws. That it were to give the people the freedom to report criminal acts, and safety issues. But no one has got on the subject of these release information, but they are most focusing on those that has gotten the information. They are trying to scare anyone else who decides on blowing the whistle on them, by making it seem as a criminal offense, and which it is not. Now since we has someone (President Trump) that will make sure that whistle blowers are protected under the law.. In some countries, that many women that has been rape are scared to report it because the countries that they live in doesn't like a snitch. But we are going to prove those that this country is going to treat anyone that tries to do harm to others, that they will be convicted. So that nobody will not have to live in fear.
I'm glad ever since the internet, that a lot of people are following politics.

I have a motto that goes like this: "I never trust anyone completely, even myself".

 

[metis]

Hillary's mop just can't take being beaten by Trump, they will try in vain to do anything to win, very sad indeed.

I really don't see anyone saying that here, but what I do see are some people fabricating stories out of some sort of political paranoia.

 

[habiru]

I have a motto that goes like this: "I never trust anyone completely, even myself".

That is why we need for them, the government, to leave the online news medias alone. They need to let the people to decide what is the truth and what is not. Like at the moment, I'm watching this program that they are having an discussion about President Trump. One person keep on claiming that the Russians has started this Fake news. But there is no proof of that. They are just still spreading gossip that they has heard from their next door neighbor. But I'm not believing a word he is saying, because I have my own mind, that I keep up with the latest news from other sources. I doesn't putr all of my eggs in one basket.

 

[idav]

I don't have any new ground to cover.
But I advise crooked politicians to be less careful with their info security.

We should just make looking through politicians emails standard procedure. Get used to the Information Age, sink or swim style.

 

[psychoslice]

I really don't see anyone saying that here, but what I do see are some people fabricating stories out of some sort of political paranoia.

If what I say doesn't concern you then don't reply.

 

[Scuba Pete]

So you think the CIA, FBI and multiple private security firms who all agree that, at the very least, Russia is hacking these places (the only thing I've seen any debate on is what their motives were) are just lying about the evidence?

Don't be distracted by the red herrings in the room. No one, with a modicum of intelligence and intellectual honesty believes that the Russians weren't behind this. There's no doubt that we've been hacked by them, in fact they've identified THREE different Russian groups, two connected to the current Russian government, that have hacked into DNC and DNCCC servers. Not one, not two, but three. They even seemed to be at odds as there were sometimes two of these entities snooping around at the same time. One seemed to be happy just snooping. One definitely wanted to stir crap up. The third, well they haven't figured out their role just yet.

No, this is just those who voted for the bully bigot Trump trying to justify their vote. No, not really to us, but to themselves. They're going to lose a lot of face when this really blows up. It may be worse than Watergate. I can see Trump giving us peace signs and declaring "I am not a crook!" already. Won't that be a sight.

 

[habiru]

This officer is now a general,NSA Michael Aquino. His Job area is in the mind control dept. Psychological warfare. His job is to manipulate the information around the world. He uses the media to help paint a picture in our minds. To get us to think in a certain way that the government wants us to see things. But this election, something has went wrong. The DNC had thought that they has had it in the bag. They cannot let President Trump to come in and to disrupt everything. And so they are trying all sort of mind manipulating tactics to get President Trump to surrender his position.

 

[Revoltingest]

We should just make looking through politicians emails standard procedure. Get used to the Information Age, sink or swim style.

I wouldn't go that far.
But I am OK with entrapment for public officials.

 

[metis]

T...I keep up with the latest news from other sources. I doesn't putr all of my eggs in one basket.

Ditto.

 

[metis]

If what I say doesn't concern you then don't reply.

Actually the truth very much concerns me, which is why I replied, and way too many are fabricating stories, much like Trump has done for around two years and finding enough gullible and uninformed people to blindly believe him, especially those morality-challenged enough to ignore his constant lying and atrocious behavior and statements.

 

[psychoslice]

Actually the truth very much concerns me, which is why I replied, and way too many are fabricating stories, much like Trump has done for around two years and finding enough gullible and uninformed people to blindly believe him, especially those morality-challenged enough to ignore his constant lying and atrocious behavior and statements.

You can believe what you want, but the fact is he got elected, I believe he is worth the gamble, where as Hillary, well, she's not really worth anything.

 

[Revoltingest]

Actually the truth very much concerns me, which is why I replied, and way too many are fabricating stories, much like Trump has done for around two years and finding enough gullible and uninformed people to blindly believe him, especially those morality-challenged enough to ignore his constant lying and atrocious behavior and statements.

This is hilarious coming from a Hillary supporter.
Did you actually believe her?

Anyway, in the news......
WikiLeaks operative claims Russia did NOT provide Hillary Clinton emails | Daily Mail Online
Hacking is not the only way to get info.
There's always the good old fashioned "sneaker network".

 

[dust1n]

1.) Former NSA worker/whistle blower William Binney disagrees and there is disagreement between the C.I.A. and the F.B.I. as to that claim:
Gap on Russia hacking conclusions between intelligence, FBI - CNNPolitics.com

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/11/politics/russia-hacking-conclusions-donald-trump/

"The U.S. Intelligence Community first publicly affirmed in an October 2016 letter, its confidence Russia interfered in the 2016 US elections.[1] The Office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI), representing seventeen intelligence agencies, in a joint letter with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS), said Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.[1] On October 7, the DNI and DHS stated the intelligence community was confident Russia had directed Democratic National Committee (DNC) cyber-attacks and the release of its private documents.[1] The report stated these acts were conducted in an attempt to influence the results of the U.S. election.[2][3][4] Russia stated they were not involved.[5]

Senior U.S. officials and U.S. intelligence agencies stated they had high confidence[6] that Russia facilitated WikiLeaks obtaining hacked emails from the DNC and Clinton campaign chair John Podesta to influence the election and elect Donald Trump.[7][8][9] A senior U.S. official said the conclusions were the consensus of multiple intelligence agencies.[10]"

2.) Most of the unsubstantiated conspiracy theories I've seen recently seem to come from the C.I.A. and pro-Clinton domestic news sources.

Be slightly vaguer..

3.) Memes, arguing, and trolling on the Internet- what happens on RF and many other forums and message boards every single day. If people are dumb enough to have their vote swayed by that instead of objective personal research then they probably shouldn't vote.

Probably no one should be voting by the metric, but the alternative is probably no less than dumb, so. But it is something that one of the biggest gaps in the last election fell along education levels.

 

[metis]

"The U.S. Intelligence Community first publicly affirmed in an October 2016 letter, its confidence Russia interfered in the 2016 US elections.[1] The Office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI), representing seventeen intelligence agencies, in a joint letter with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS), said Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.[1] On October 7, the DNI and DHS stated the intelligence community was confident Russia had directed Democratic National Committee (DNC) cyber-attacks and the release of its private documents.[1] The report stated these acts were conducted in an attempt to influence the results of the U.S. election.[2][3][4] Russia stated they were not involved.[5]

Senior U.S. officials and U.S. intelligence agencies stated they had high confidence[6] that Russia facilitated WikiLeaks obtaining hacked emails from the DNC and Clinton campaign chair John Podesta to influence the election and elect Donald Trump.[7][8][9] A senior U.S. official said the conclusions were the consensus of multiple intelligence agencies.[10]"



Be slightly vaguer..



Probably no one should be voting by the metric, but the alternative is probably no less than dumb, so. But it is something that one of the biggest gaps in the last election fell along education levels.

This is really of no surprise since all one had to do was to connect the dots to get an idea as to why Putin would want the Donald in as pres versus Hillary. So, with all this information coming out from quite a few of our intelligence committees, what recourse do the pro-Trump element have except to deny the validity of the the information that even some of the Republican senators say appears to be valid and resort to blaming everyone except Trump and themselves.

And then they oppose any investigation, whereas even an elementary student well knows that it's always wise to cross-check the math, or in this case the intelligence.

 

[Revoltingest]

"The U.S. Intelligence Community first publicly affirmed in an October 2016 letter, its confidence Russia interfered in the 2016 US elections.[1] The Office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI), representing seventeen intelligence agencies, in a joint letter with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS), said Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.[1] On October 7, the DNI and DHS stated the intelligence community was confident Russia had directed Democratic National Committee (DNC) cyber-attacks and the release of its private documents.[1] The report stated these acts were conducted in an attempt to influence the results of the U.S. election.[2][3][4] Russia stated they were not involved.[5]

Senior U.S. officials and U.S. intelligence agencies stated they had high confidence[6] that Russia facilitated WikiLeaks obtaining hacked emails from the DNC and Clinton campaign chair John Podesta to influence the election and elect Donald Trump.[7][8][9] A senior U.S. official said the conclusions were the consensus of multiple intelligence agencies.[10]"

The above conflicts with this....
Exclusive: Top U.S. spy agency has not embraced CIA assessment on Russia hacking - sources

But it is something that one of the biggest gaps in the last election fell along education levels.

Hey, I've been restrained in not flaunting my superior (to the average Democrat) education.

 

[Revoltingest]

This is really of no surprise since all one had to do was to connect the dots to get an idea as to why Putin would want the Donald in as pres versus Hillary. So, with all this information coming out from quite a few of our intelligence committees, what recourse do the pro-Trump element have except to deny the validity of the the information that even some of the Republican senators say appears to be valid and resort to blaming everyone except Trump and themselves.

And then they oppose any investigation, whereas even an elementary student well knows that it's always wise to cross-check the math, or in this case the intelligence.

I can certainly understand Putin's preference for Trump.
As even Jill Stein said, Hillary is a big risk for war with Russia.
It's a reason I opposed her in this election.

 

[Underhill]

You're again attributing more certainty to them than even they claim.

In what way? Nobody is claiming the Russians haven't hacking them. Only that they don't know the motives.

Their lack of certainty means that whatever evidence they have can be read a number of ways.
It doesn't require a conspiracy for a top down directive to guide them towards a particular interpretation. We saw this in the Iraqi WMD question.
Nice try to pin the conspiracy theorist tag on me though.
But I'm just not ready to jump into the deep end of belief.

Of course it does. You honestly think career agency people are going to stick their neck out for a president that is gone in a few weeks?