How Exactly Did The Russians Influence The U.S. Elections?

[Parchment]

I wouldn't put it past the CIA to make up just about anything!!

In a court of law I think that would make them an unreliable witness.

 

[Neo Deist]

Ironic that the ones that defended Hillary and her email scandal are the same ones jumping up and down over a "possible" Russian hack job of the DNC that helped Trump. In other words:

Hillary scandal: there is nothing to see. You are making assumptions and jumping to conclusions. She was cleared. She is trustworthy and should be President.

Russian "potential" scandal: Trump was assisted by the Russians! The DNC was hacked! Burn them at the stake! They conned you and are playing you all for fools!

 

[Revoltingest]

To be precise, they're saying they have "evidence", but no one I've yet seen is claiming certainty.

Ironic that the ones that defended Hillary and her email scandal are the same ones jumping up and down over a "possible" Russian hack job of the DNC that helped Trump. In other words:

Hillary scandal: there is nothing to see. You are making assumptions and jumping to conclusions. She was cleared. She is trustworthy and should be President.

Russian "potential" scandal: Trump was assisted by the Russians! The DNC was hacked! Burn them at the stake! They conned you and are playing you all for fools!

Do you suggest that truth is whatever favors Hillary, & tarnishes Trump;
also that the rationale & standards must be adjusted ad hoc? Oh, dear!

 

[columbus]

Hillary scandal: there is nothing to see. You are making assumptions and jumping to conclusions. She was cleared. She is trustworthy and should be President.

Hillary was investigated hugely. People believed all sorts of implausible things, even after the investigations. She is not an elected official and never will be again.
Dismissing the possibility that our most powerful enemy made the difference in the election needs to be THOROUGHLY investigated and if evidence is produced that Trumps election was rigged by Putin illegally we need to take some serious steps.

Hand waving this away by changing the subject to Hillary is beyond partisan. It's treason.
Tom

 

[Guy Threepwood]

I haven't seen one shred of evidence or heard a good argument that would make me believe that Russians somehow got Trump elected. We do know that the same intelligence agencies that are claiming "the Russians did it!" are the same intelligence agencies that got us into the first Iraq war under false pretenses and have used mass surveillance against it's own people for years and lied about it and now we are supposed to trust them with the claim that somehow Russians manipulated the 2016 U.S. election. I'd say there is probably far more evidence and a better case to be made that many of our own domestic media sources attempted to overtly and covertly manipulate public opinion influencing the election in Clinton's favor rather than Russia in Trumps.

Yes, Trump won despite massive subversion of democracy by Democrats. Can you image how much greater his win would have been without the bias against him?

anecdotally, I traveled all over Michigan during the campaigns and the ratio of Trump signs to Hillary was literally a thousand to one, even in areas that were all 'Obama' last time. It's very suspicious to me that Michigan was even close.

 

[Neo Deist]

Hand waving this away by changing the subject to Hillary is beyond partisan. It's treason.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, Trump won despite massive subversion of democracy by Democrats. Can you image how much greater his win would have been without the bias against him?

anecdotally, I traveled all over Michigan during the campaigns and the ratio of Trump signs to Hillary was literally a thousand to one, even in areas that were all 'Obama' last time. It's very suspicious to me that Michigan was even close.

Travelling thru MI, OH, PA, NY, CT, & MA, I saw a whole lotta Trump & Pence signs.
I saw only a couple Hillary signs.

 

[Lyndon]

One thing for sure, if the RNC was hacked the same way, and wikileaks released the RNC and Trumps campaign managers emails same as for the Democrats, there's no doubt that we would now be talking about Madame President.

 

[Scuba Pete]

A compelling desire to believe can lead to.....you know....

You supporting Putin and voting for Trump. It's a twofer! You supported two bullies with one vote.

Why aren't these partisans at least a little upset by this? They are upset not by the act, but that they got caught. Wow. Simply Wow!

 

[Scuba Pete]

Travelling thru MI, OH, PA, NY, CT, & MA, I saw a whole lotta Trump & Pence signs.
I saw only a couple Hillary signs.

Lot of Russians through there Comrade, so no wonder.

 

[metis]

I haven't seen one shred of evidence or heard a good argument that would make me believe that Russians somehow got Trump elected.

And you are not going to see it since we are not going to publicly expose of intelligence-gathering techniques.

Both high-level Democrats and Republicans were given the briefing, and all of the Dems and all but two of the Pubs say there's credible reason to believe the Russians did try and influence the election. They know what the intelligence said, but it's highly unlikely that the specifics will ever be made public.

So, why are Trump and many Republicans afraid if no such damning evidence actually exists? I think most of us know the answer to that question.

 

[Revoltingest]

You supporting Putin....

Your conclusion from some kind of rationale is illogical.
Since I don't buy into Putin being behind the hacking,
there's no reason to believe I support him.

.....and voting for Trump. It's a twofer! You supported two bullies with one vote.

I voted for the least dangerous bully.

Why aren't these partisans at least a little upset by this? They are upset not by the act, but that they got caught. Wow. Simply Wow!

You'll have to ask the people who are upset why they are.

 

[Revoltingest]

Lot of Russians through there Comrade, so no wonder.

Even in Taxachusetts?

 

[Notanumber]

He has started to make America great again and he is not even president yet!

He sounds like a winner to me.

 

[Watchmen]

The election was so close(except in the popular vote) That the wikileaks hacks alone were enough to throw the election in Trumps favour, and now the CIA says they have conclusive evidence those hacks were coming form the Russian government, there, I showed you how the Russians threw the election, now go talk your Trump nonsense somewhere else!!

These kind of posts make me laugh. In other words the Russians exposed the truth about Hillary via WikiLeaks and Trump won.

Good 'ol Hillary would have won but for the TRUTH being exposed! Haha!

 

[Watchmen]

It's hard to see evidence when you're so busy denying it has happened.

What we know about Russia's role in the DNC email leak

Here's the truth: you've been conned. You've been conned by Trump and the Russkies helped. You've elected the one candidate supported by bigots and communists alike. The irony isn't lost on the world. The only clueless peeps are those who've been taken.

Conned? More like the truth about Hillary came out and folks decided they didn't want her. She got trounced in areas that solidly supported Obama.

 

[metis]

The last poll I saw had it that Trump only had an average of around a 10% approval rating in the western European countries plus China and Japan, with his highest rating (20%) being China and his lowest (around 6%) in the Scandinavian countries.

The bottom line: Trump is scary.

 

[Revoltingest]

Conned? More like the truth about Hillary came out and folks decided they didn't want her. She got trounced in areas that solidly supported Obama.

Aye, here's the 700# gorilla in the room....
Hillary doesn't deny any of the leaks.
Were they bogus, she'd be screaming bloody murder.

 

[metis]

Conned? More like the truth about Hillary came out and folks decided they didn't want her. She got trounced in areas that solidly supported Obama.

That really has nothing to do with the issue as the election is over and settled.

 

[Revoltingest]

The last poll I saw had it that Trump only had an average of around a 10% approval rating in the western European countries plus China and Japan, with his highest rating (20%) being China and his lowest (around 6%) in the Scandinavian countries.

I don't worry about whether ferriners like or dislike Trump.
My vote is not about pleasing Frogs, Krauts or my in-laws in China.

The bottom line: Trump is scary.

No argument here.