How Great is the Darkness?

[slave2six]

In Romans 11:32 it reveals that God himself has " Shut up All in Disobedience",

You are a slave to the Christian book. That much is clear. It will make you nuts. I spent years obsessing if I was one of those who were "called" but not "chosen" and convinced that predestination (while terribly unfair) is real.

Look - that stuff that you call "darkness" sounds a lot like guilt. The only reason anyone feels like they are in darkness is because they do not accept reality for what it is. If you have been abused, you are able to come out from under that abuse but you can't do that until you recognize that you have been abused and by whom or what. Life is too short and too full of wonder to be self-absorbed and focusing on this "darkness" stuff. The fastest way out of it? Go do something generous for someone who can't repay you.

Chaos.

 

[slave2six]

No, Goth is mainly associated with White people, I am not White. My color is closer to the Darkness. My mood is closer to the Darkness. My thinking infected by the Darkness. My life trapped within the Darkness. The Darkness then is a total eclipse of a human, nothing is left alone. Nothing spared.

So its more correct to say I am so Dark.

Peace.

Dark is beautiful.

Chaos.

 

[mickiel]

Maybe you should try something other than God.

I no longer " Try God", I have nothing to do with churchs or religion. I still believe, but just accept that God has locked a lot of humans out of his dealings, I am just one of them.

Peace.

 

[slave2six]

I no longer " Try God", I have nothing to do with churchs or religion. I still believe, but just accept that God has locked a lot of humans out of his dealings, I am just one of them.

Peace.

So, who abused you to the point that you have nothing to do with church? You're not alone in this. In my experience, it took a hell of a lot of abuse before I left the church but I can honestly say that I am happier now than I was in the church. Being separate from organized religion is perhaps the healthiest thing for the human heart.

Chaos.

 

[mickiel]

You are a slave to the Christian book. That much is clear. It will make you nuts. I spent years obsessing if I was one of those who were "called" but not "chosen" and convinced that predestination (while terribly unfair) is real.

Look - that stuff that you call "darkness" sounds a lot like guilt. The only reason anyone feels like they are in darkness is because they do not accept reality for what it is. If you have been abused, you are able to come out from under that abuse but you can't do that until you recognize that you have been abused and by whom or what. Life is too short and too full of wonder to be self-absorbed and focusing on this "darkness" stuff. The fastest way out of it? Go do something generous for someone who can't repay you.

Chaos.

The book is not a christian book, its a book that christians say they follow. I spent some years myself obsessing over that called and chosen stuff, until I found out I was neither. I am just one of those people God does not have anything to do with, hes left me in the Darkness.

And I think he has done this to the vast majority of humans.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Dark is beautiful.

Chaos.

I think Black is bueatiful, but the Darkness, I don't see that as bueatiful.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

So, who abused you to the point that you have nothing to do with church? You're not alone in this. In my experience, it took a hell of a lot of abuse before I left the church but I can honestly say that I am happier now than I was in the church. Being separate from organized religion is perhaps the healthiest thing for the human heart.

Chaos.

I have never been abused by any human being in a church, in my family or friends. I have experienced employment abuse from employers, but thats it, just unfair employment. I left the church because I have nothing in common with it. God has not called or chosen me, he has not given me his Spirit and refuses to talk to me. Why should I be in any church, God wants me to be on the outside of Spiritual things, and its nothing I can do about it.

The bible says that God will give his Spirit to those who ask, I have asked a thousand times, and have gotten nothing. So thats my answer, no Spirit of God for me, only the Darkness. And the Darkness is Greater than I first understood.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

In 1Thess. 5:9, it says that God has not destined " Us" for wrath, but for obtaining Salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. Obviously, whoever this " Us" is, they willnot be destined for the wrath of God. Now what is the " Wrath of God", well its Gods reaction toward sin, his anger toward sin, sin as a concept, not his anger aimed at an individual sinner. But lets face it, looking at human history, and this present age, a whole lot of people seemed destined for the Wrath of something out there. And I think its moreso the Wrath of the Darkness, because its the Darkness thats really in power on this earth.

And I want to get into that.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

In 1Thess. 5:9, it says that God has not destined " Us" for wrath, but for obtaining Salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. Obviously, whoever this " Us" is, they willnot be destined for the wrath of God. Now what is the " Wrath of God", well its Gods reaction toward sin, his anger toward sin, sin as a concept, not his anger aimed at an individual sinner. But lets face it, looking at human history, and this present age, a whole lot of people seemed destined for the Wrath of something out there. And I think its moreso the Wrath of the Darkness, because its the Darkness thats really in power on this earth.

And I want to get into that.

Peace.

In hindsight, as I view my life in my memory, the Power of Darkness has always been there manipulating my history and future. I mean literally every chance I had to be something, it was there to somehow squash it. Now at these various times, I didnot know this, I blamed myself or other things, but in hindsight, I now know it to have been the Darkness. I know and believe God could have changed this, but he didnot. There are a lot of things that God could change in this world, but simply does not. Why is that? I have always wondered why that is.

Well look at 2 Corinthians 4:4;" In whose case the " god of this World" has blinded the minds of the unbelieving." Here the bible calls the Darkness, " The god of this World." And I have discovered that this thing has the Power to blind believers as well as unbelievers, because I am a believer in God. And it has blinded me. But interestingly the word of God gives this thing " The Status of a god!" This Great Dragon, this Devil, this Prince of the Darkness, is the god of this world!

It was this Great Power that has seduced my life, my mind, my potential, my humanity. And I believe from this Great Power, comes Addiction,perversion, Lust, and every evil the human mind has imagined. This Darkness is so Great, it is a god on this earth.

And I want to get more into that.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

The Power of the Darkness is real and it is Great, no doubt there. In Ephesians 2:2 it talks about the Power of the Darkness being so great that it sets the very course of this world and forces humans to walk in that course. Then it calls this Devil the " Prince of the Power of the Air." A Spirit that works in the disobedient humans, ( and I believe obedient ones also). I mean but get that Phrase;" The Prince of the Power of the Air." Its as if this thing has a kind of Power, or influence, that is literally everywhere, nothing can avoid it. I mean all humans have to breathe air, and this thing has the kind of Power that is simular to that need.

Even Jesus himself in John 12:31, 14:30 and 16:11, calls this Prince of Darkness the " Ruler of this World." This demon of the Darkness is indeed a Great Power. And I want to take a closer look at him in Gods word.

Peace.

 

[gzusfrk]

You quote scripture often, it would seem to me with what I have read in this op is you would like to step out of the darkness into the light, that in itself says a lot to me.

 

[mickiel]

Even Jesus himself in John 12:31, 14:30 and 16:11, calls this Prince of Darkness the " Ruler of this World." This demon of the Darkness is indeed a Great Power. And I want to take a closer look at him in Gods word.

Peace.

I have never read anywhere in the bible where God or Jesus disquised themselves as evil beings, so they have points that they will not cross. But this demon of Darkness is far more of a deceptive being. In 2Corinth. 11:14;" And no wonder, for even satan disquises himself as an angel of light." In vs. 13 it talks about humans who are inherently evil that portray themselves as good workers for Christ, so we know that humans will play these deadly tricks and false games, but this spirit demon satan is a far differing story. He will paint a picture of himself as being God or Christ to you, and ultimately mislead you, he did it to me.

As a young man I was attracted to churchs and fellowship, very much so. I liked preaching, Loved to hear it. I was turned on by teaching and religious books of knowledge, I was all in to it. I never knew that was how satan would get to me, at an early age. I thought that he would come at believing humans in an obvious manner, real demonlike and dark and evil. I didnot know how good he was at becomming a being of light, a being with a good message, a good knowledge of the bible, and a good following. I didnot know he had whole churchs that looked at him as being their good god, how talented this being is at being " Spiritual and Religious."

And I want to go into how he uses this ability to become an angel of light, or a truth bringer.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

You quote scripture often, it would seem to me with what I have read in this op is you would like to step out of the darkness into the light, that in itself says a lot to me.

Oh yes, your right. I been wanting to get out of the Darkness for quite sometime, both consciously and unconsciously. But its God who decides who gets out and when, not the humans themselves. My hearts desire is to be free of it, the truth is I am not. As for now, I am still in it.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

You quote scripture often, it would seem to me with what I have read in this op is you would like to step out of the darkness into the light, that in itself says a lot to me.

But allow me to tell you how unimpressive quoting scripture is to me. I know that this being of the darkness understands scripture far better than any human does, and he will use scripture to keep you in the Darkness. He used it to keep me in the Dark.

Peace.

 

[gzusfrk]

But allow me to tell you how unimpressive quoting scripture is to me. I know that this being of the darkness understands scripture far better than any human does, and he will use scripture to keep you in the Darkness. He used it to keep me in the Dark.

Peace.

I dont understand how satan can use the Word to keep me in darkness, altho there is some darkness in my life. I am a NT christian, God said His Word was truth and that it would indure to the end,Jesus was the Word, I dont think the darkness can change or alter the Word, I dont know if satan can change your perception of the Word. I know its a battle I have been in for 30 years, that is to remove the darkness.

 

[Francis]

No, Mickiel, I think that you're the one who keeps yourself in the dark, most of all. It sounds like you've given up.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

I dont understand how satan can use the Word to keep me in darkness,

. I know its a battle I have been in for 30 years, that is to remove the darkness.

You don't understand how something can keep you in a 30 year battle to remove it? Thats just how Powerful the Darkness is, its a lifelong influence. The Darkness can use anything, espically Gods word. And its when we " Don't see how satan can do something", that he does it best. Thats the definition of deception, when we don't understand it.

Peace.

 

[blackout]

What is the "alot of sin" in you?

I mean... are you SURE that what you are calling "sin" is really anything "bad" at all?

Are you going around murdering little girls?

Some religions peg so much stuff as sin, it's ridiculous.
The Darkness BTW is a place of rest.
Also creation and uncreation.
The Darkness is a wonderful place,
and there is NOTHING evil about it.

Unless you are infringing on others freedom to BE...
just BE YOU. and stop worring about it. ya know?

 

[mickiel]

No, Mickiel, I think that you're the one who keeps yourself in the dark, most of all. It sounds like you've given up.

Peace.

What Catholics think means little to me, but your right, I gave up on trying to be something I am not. I am not a born again, spirit filled believer, I am a fleshly sinful believer, and I have not progressed beyond that.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

...
just BE YOU. and stop worring about it. ya know?

I am being me, for once in my life I am being me. I am free from being a believer who concocks all kinds of spiritual fantasys about God, I can just be honest and say that I do not know him. I am being me, I am free from the weird adherance that many believers are giving to this horror hell hole.

I am being me, I can tell the truth and admit that God has not called me, has not placed me in a church, and has not led me to be a christian. He does not lead me at all.

I am being me, I can talk about the Darkness because I was born and shaped by it and in it. I know its inherently evil. Although I do not know God, I agree with his description of evil. I am being me, I know, and I know that I know a whole lot of sin lives in me.

And it always has. And it matters not to me what others think sin is or is not. Thats on them.

Peace.