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How hard do you have to try to be an atheist?

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Atheism is only an effort if you're trying to de-program yourself from theism.

For me it was just a return to that point in time before I was introduced to anything like religion and gods and what not. A bit like coming home.
 

Looncall

Well-Known Member
Argumentum ad populum.
Have you considered the Hebrew or Muslim calendars? An accident of history isn't evidence for divinity.

Our cultural history is, indeed, fascinating, but I see no reason to invoke any magical intervention to explain this. Nor would divine attribution explain anything. It's an assertion of agency, not an explanation. The miraculous remains unexplained.
I believe those scientific mechanisms exist with the help of a creating intelligent designer with a plan.

I'm not able to believe pond scum eventually came forth from a big bang, and the energy to create that bang came out of nowhere and nothing, so that all these scientific mechanisms take place, and the material world and carbon begin existing out of nothing, and out of some pond scum a creature emerged that eventually evolved into an ape that creates a printing press, cell phone, automobiles, internet, airplanes, space ships that go to the Moon, satellites in the sky, and robots on Mars.

I'm not able to believe that such a creature could just emerge from pond scum, without the help of a higher power that is intelligent and has a plan.[/QUOTE]

These matters are all consequences of the properties of the universe playing out through time.

Your difficulties in understanding flow from your ignorance of science. I suspect, also, that you have been conned by that disreputable rabble of priests, imams, rabbis, gurus etc.

I hope that you are aware that there are many con artists making good livings by promoting creationism.


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Cacotopia

Let's go full Trottle
When you are born you are an atheist technically, not a whole lot of trying to be had as a toddler.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
I believe in evolution theory to a certain extent....up until the point it becomes atheistic
I don't think evolution theory ever becomes atheist. It doesn't support either atheism or theism. Some might believe it does, but it's only a process. We know so much, but also so very little, since we are end products only and the process seems so random.

I believe our "more developed" brain gives us the ability to connect to God, but it can also make us into a devil causing destruction for others and nature. You could say I think of our brain a bit like the garden of Eden story about the fruit. That would make evolution the snake. Of course I don't know what the writers in genesis were thinking about, just thought it a nice analogy.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
It becomes atheistic in certain perceptions....and many are insisting that there was no intelligent creative force assisting the process
That's not atheistic though. And people interpreting that in a certain way is not the same as a scientific theory, come on.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
The theory of evolution is no more atheistic than the theory of gravity. Both are descriptions of how the universe works. Neither invokes a deity for that description.

A story: When the mathematician Lagrange presented his book on orbital dynamics to Napoleon, he was asked where God was in his book. Lagrange replied, "I have no need of that hypothesis!".

The fact that God is not mentioned does not mean the treatment is atheistic. It simply means that theology is irrelevant to the topic at hand.
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I think most of us have had periods in our life where we were atheists.

When you were an atheist, or if you are an atheist, do you ever have to try hard to be an atheist?

For instance, I would bite into a strawberry and observe the strawberry, taste the strawberry, and think to myself, maybe that strawberry was designed to be delightful to our taste buds.

It just seemed like as an atheist, there were constant signs popping up, that maybe there was some sort of intelligent design, destiny, and plan behind the existence of mankind.

I don't see chimpanzees or any other apes evolving... whatever the other apes invent, was the same thing they were inventing thousands of years ago.

It's like my baboon tarantula, invents all kinds of groovy webs, and intricate tunnels throughout the dirt, and it's his home.

That's an example of what animals invent. It is very primitive, and no more advanced then what they were creating thousands of years ago.

Humans on the other hand have Internet, space ships that fly to the moon, robots on Mars, satellites in outer space, airplanes, brain surgery, open heart surgery, kidney dialysis, pacemakers, x-rays, credit cards, MRIS, knee and hip replacement, cell phones, computers, printers, nuclear power, and nuclear weapons.

It made me think, perhaps scripture is right, that mankind was made in God's image, and maybe that is why we invent all these things that other Apes do not.

I don't see any evidence that other apes have evolved at all in thousands of years.

It was hard for me to be an atheist, when I can't find a single person on the planet who is half chimpanzee and half human. There really should be a chimpanzee out there that is more advanced than the rest at least, who invents something more new or something that resembles civilization.

These factors made it very difficult, and I had to try really hard to be an atheist.

It also made me wonder, how did this humble Jesus figure, who was born in a barn in complete poverty, and a humble Carpenter, start a movement that conquered the Roman Empire, and has Conquered 2.2 billion hearts, and lead to a book that is a best seller year after year?

How we date everything centers on his life, "before Christ or after Christ." And more books, shrines, structures, basilicas, and cathedrals are in his honor, more so than anyone else in history.

As an Atheist, it was hard for me to believe that evolved chimps wrote a fairytale, that influences and governs more than 2.2 billion Christians, and 1.8 billion Muslims, in a massively powerful way.

I always had to wonder, perhaps there is a supernatural force behind all of this? Perhaps this was the destiny of mankind?

Any thoughts?

Humans are fascinating Apes...:)
Now atheism fascinates you? Why jump around so much. All will get muddled up this way.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I think most of us have had periods in our life where we were atheists.

When you were an atheist, or if you are an atheist, do you ever have to try hard to be an atheist?
No. Quite the opposite, in fact: there have been periods of my life where I tried very hard to be a theist, but I couldn’t do it.

For instance, I would bite into a strawberry and observe the strawberry, taste the strawberry, and think to myself, maybe that strawberry was designed to be delightful to our taste buds.
I’m not self-centred enough to assume that the features of the things around me were designed just for me.

BTW: like many people, I’m allergic to strawberries. If I eat a bunch of strawberries, I start to have trouble breathing. Do you think God designed that feature of strawberries, too?

It just seemed like as an atheist, there were constant signs popping up, that maybe there was some sort of intelligent design, destiny, and plan behind the existence of mankind.

I don't see chimpanzees or any other apes evolving... whatever the other apes invent, was the same thing they were inventing thousands of years ago.

It's like my baboon tarantula, invents all kinds of groovy webs, and intricate tunnels throughout the dirt, and it's his home.

That's an example of what animals invent. It is very primitive, and no more advanced then what they were creating thousands of years ago.

Humans on the other hand have Internet, space ships that fly to the moon, robots on Mars, satellites in outer space, airplanes, brain surgery, open heart surgery, kidney dialysis, pacemakers, x-rays, credit cards, MRIS, knee and hip replacement, cell phones, computers, printers, nuclear power, and nuclear weapons.

It made me think, perhaps scripture is right, that mankind was made in God's image, and maybe that is why we invent all these things that other Apes do not.

I don't see any evidence that other apes have evolved at all in thousands of years.

It was hard for me to be an atheist, when I can't find a single person on the planet who is half chimpanzee and half human. There really should be a chimpanzee out there that is more advanced than the rest at least, who invents something more new or something that resembles civilization.

These factors made it very difficult, and I had to try really hard to be an atheist.

It also made me wonder, how did this humble Jesus figure, who was born in a barn in complete poverty, and a humble Carpenter, start a movement that conquered the Roman Empire, and has Conquered 2.2 billion hearts, and lead to a book that is a best seller year after year?

How we date everything centers on his life, "before Christ or after Christ." And more books, shrines, structures, basilicas, and cathedrals are in his honor, more so than anyone else in history.

As an Atheist, it was hard for me to believe that evolved chimps wrote a fairytale, that influences and governs more than 2.2 billion Christians, and 1.8 billion Muslims, in a massively powerful way.

I always had to wonder, perhaps there is a supernatural force behind all of this? Perhaps this was the destiny of mankind?

Any thoughts?

Humans are fascinating Apes...:)
It seems like your understanding of evolution could use some help.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
That's not atheistic though. And people interpreting that in a certain way is not the same as a scientific theory, come on.
Some people's views of evolution Theory are atheistic, because they teach that no intelligent guiding force was involved
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
More accurately, you believe in science up until the point it conflicts with your religious beliefs.

You are no different than anyone else.
I don't believe science conflicts with my beliefs... there have been many scientific and medically documented miracles, and many things that science cannot explain and doesn't have the answers to.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
The theory of evolution is no more atheistic than the theory of gravity. Both are descriptions of how the universe works. Neither invokes a deity for that description.

A story: When the mathematician Lagrange presented his book on orbital dynamics to Napoleon, he was asked where God was in his book. Lagrange replied, "I have no need of that hypothesis!".

The fact that God is not mentioned does not mean the treatment is atheistic. It simply means that theology is irrelevant to the topic at hand.
I disagree. When science is trying to declare how the world and creatures were created, the help of an intelligent entity working with the mechanisms of science, and possibly authoring them, is relevant to the topic at hand.:thumbsup:
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
No. Quite the opposite, in fact: there have been periods of my life where I tried very hard to be a theist, but I couldn’t do it.


I’m not self-centred enough to assume that the features of the things around me were designed just for me.

BTW: like many people, I’m allergic to strawberries. If I eat a bunch of strawberries, I start to have trouble breathing. Do you think God designed that feature of strawberries, too?


It seems like your understanding of evolution could use some help.
People can be allergic to cats as well.

People can be allergic to all kinds of things, that the average person appreciates. There are exceptions to every rule.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
People can be allergic to cats as well.

People can be allergic to all kinds of things, that the average person appreciates. There are exceptions to every rule.
But if God designed the strawberries and the people to the degree you’re describing, then these (often life-threatening) allergies must be deliberate features designed by God, no?
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I've heard a lot of people describing the evolution Theory in a way that supports an atheist bias
The theory of evolution certainly doesn’t need a god to be valid, so in that sense, it’s a threat to people trying to argue that God is necessary and relevant to the things we see around us.
 
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