How is God's prophesy of making Jews jealous by going to the gentiles played out

[wizanda]

There is nothing found in the Tanakh that directly points to Jesus

It is prophesied that the Lord shall become our Salvation:

H3444 (Yeshua) + H1961 (To become) = Exodus 15:2, Psalms 118:14-21, Isaiah 12:2 (2 Samuel 10:11 David Vs Ammon) +5 Verses Isaiah

H3444 (Yeshua) + H7200 (To see) = Exodus 14:13, Psalms 98:3, Isaiah 52:10 (2 Chronicles 20:17 Jehoshaphat Vs Ammon)

That Yehoshua is a symbolic branch of David, who will lead our people into the Promised Land:

H3091 (Yehoshua) + H1961 (To become) = Deuteronomy 31:23, Zechariah 3:3

H3091 (Yehoshua) + H7200 (To See) = Deuteronomy 3:28, Zechariah 3:1

In my opinion.

 

[whirlingmerc]

It is prophesied that the Lord shall become our Salvation:

H3444 (Yeshua) + H1961 (To become) = Exodus 15:2, Psalms 118:14-21, Isaiah 12:2 (2 Samuel 10:11 David Vs Ammon) +5 Verses Isaiah

H3444 (Yeshua) + H7200 (To see) = Exodus 14:13, Psalms 98:3, Isaiah 52:10 (2 Chronicles 20:17 Jehoshaphat Vs Ammon)

That Yehoshua is a symbolic branch of David, who will lead our people into the Promised Land:

H3091 (Yehoshua) + H1961 (To become) = Deuteronomy 31:23, Zechariah 3:3

H3091 (Yehoshua) + H7200 (To See) = Deuteronomy 3:28, Zechariah 3:1

In my opinion.

Additionally it was promised in Exodus 19:6 and you shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you shall speak to the people of Israel.”
Which never happened until 'the church' where everyone in the church is a priest to God

Also it was also promised to Abraham that he would have a seed who would bless every family
on earth.

In my view, a fulfillment in Jesus with the church as 'the people yet created' who are blessed through Abraham and priests to God fits those perfectly but in a modern Jewish view how are those fulfilled..

 

[wizanda]

Which never happened until 'the church' where everyone in the church is a priest to God

Sorry Christians (John, Paul, and Simon) by definition contradict Christ, and therefore are not worthy to be called Levites...

Only someone who has noticed basics like the Gospel of John is defamatory, and fraudulent; plus have understood Paul is Anti-Christ, to be deemed worthy as one of God's lawyers.

Simon being called the stone, and it being prophetic he would mislead people is all prophesied, and people are not wise enough to see basics...

Therefore since I've got the name of an archangel in Judaism (Sandalphon), and the New name of Christ (Sananda), it is given us to teach these things before the Tribulation.

In my opinion.

 

[sooda]

It is prophesied that the Lord shall become our Salvation:

H3444 (Yeshua) + H1961 (To become) = Exodus 15:2, Psalms 118:14-21, Isaiah 12:2 (2 Samuel 10:11 David Vs Ammon) +5 Verses Isaiah

H3444 (Yeshua) + H7200 (To see) = Exodus 14:13, Psalms 98:3, Isaiah 52:10 (2 Chronicles 20:17 Jehoshaphat Vs Ammon)

That Yehoshua is a symbolic branch of David, who will lead our people into the Promised Land:

H3091 (Yehoshua) + H1961 (To become) = Deuteronomy 31:23, Zechariah 3:3

H3091 (Yehoshua) + H7200 (To See) = Deuteronomy 3:28, Zechariah 3:1

In my opinion.

This isn't about Jesus.

The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him.

 

[sooda]

Additionally it was promised in Exodus 19:6 and you shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you shall speak to the people of Israel.”
Which never happened until 'the church' where everyone in the church is a priest to God

Also it was also promised to Abraham that he would have a seed who would bless every family
on earth.

In my view, a fulfillment in Jesus with the church as 'the people yet created' who are blessed through Abraham and priests to God fits those perfectly but in a modern Jewish view how are those fulfilled..

I see. You are inserting a prophecy about Jesus in every verse and damning Paul and Peter as false prophets.

Exodus 19 is about Israel.

 

[Tumah]

My salvation will reach to the ends of the earth? ( such as in Psalm 22 or Isaiah 49:6)
sounds bigger

Only because you want it to be something else than it is. Deut. 28:64 promises that G-d will scatter us to the ends of the earth. Deut. 30:4 promises that G-d will collect us even from the ends of the Heaven. Obvioulsy G-d's salvation that reaches to the end of the earth refers to the in-gathering of our exiled. Isa. 62:11.

It really involves the promise to Abraham to bless people from every family on earth and that would be far broader than just Israel as I read it.

You read it that way because again you want it to be something else. There is nothing in the words of that blessing that indicates anything on the scale of your beliefs.

 

[wizanda]

This isn't about Jesus.

Yehoshua/Yeshua is his name; jesus is a swear word in Hebrew.

Study will show that it is contextually about Yeshua; thus it is only ignorance of context, that would mean we don't get it.

Ask questions, and can explain the contexts; it is not advisable to go above the Messiah.

In my opinion.

 

[wizanda]

Deut. 28:64
Deut. 30:4

Missed out the most important point, Judgement Day is in the middle of them chapters i.e. the Lake of Fire (Deuteronomy 29:22-26, Zechariah 13:9)...

Where in that day those who call on the name of the King will be saved (Isaiah 33), and since most Rabbinic Jews have rejected David, Yehoshua, and the new name, don't expect to be in the time to come.

God put us here to explain it, so his Arm is still outstretched, until that day happens soon...

In my opinion.

 

[sooda]

Yehoshua/Yeshua is his name; jesus is a swear word in Hebrew.

Study will show that it is contextually about Yeshua; thus it is only ignorance of context, that would mean we don't get it.

Ask questions, and can explain the contexts; it is not advisable to go above the Messiah.

In my opinion.

Are you Jewish then?

The entire New Testament was written in Greek, and the word Jesus is the word that is used. It is not the Hebrew יֵשׁוּעַ which is Yeshua. So, it is simple. Jesus is properly called Jesus.

• "And she will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for it is He who will save His people from their sins." (Matt. 1:21).
• "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God." (Mark 1:1).
• "let it be known to all of you, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead--by this name this man stands here before you in good health. 11 “He is the stone which was rejected by you, the builders, but which became the very corner stone. 12 “And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:10-12).
• Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, acalled as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, (Rom. 1:1).
• "But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone." (Heb. 2:9).
• "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must shortly take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John," (Rev. 1:1).

 

[wizanda]

Are you Jewish then?

Yes, I'm from the line of David; my family was from Lviv on the edge of the Pale Settlement.

the word Jesus is the word that is used.

In Greek Yehoshua got translated into iesous; which later became jesus... Jeh-sus means Lord of the Beasts.

"And she will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for it is He who will save His people from their sins." (Matt. 1:21).

His name shall be 'Yehoshua' as he shall save his people... Y+Hosea means Shall be + Savoir, Yehoshua means Lord Saves, Yeshua means Salvation.

In my opinion.

 

[whirlingmerc]

Only because you want it to be something else than it is. Deut. 28:64 promises that G-d will scatter us to the ends of the earth. Deut. 30:4 promises that G-d will collect us even from the ends of the Heaven. Obvioulsy G-d's salvation that reaches to the end of the earth refers to the in-gathering of our exiled. Isa. 62:11.


You read it that way because again you want it to be something else. There is nothing in the words of that blessing that indicates anything on the scale of your beliefs.

I have to disagree

The promise and is it the only promise punched with a qualifier of HOLY in the psalms is the promise to Abraham in Psalm 89, which in eluded blessings not only for Abraham's family but for every family on earth

Isaiah specifically mentions gentiles said the nations will hope in the root of Jesse. That's pretty strong. The root of Jesse is God

Isaiah 11:1
[ The Branch From Jesse ] A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.

Isaiah 11:10
In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him, and his resting place will be glorious.

Isaiah 49:6 New International Version (NIV)
6 he says:
“It is too small a thing for you to be my servant
to restore the tribes of Jacob
and bring back those of Israel I have kept.
I will also make you a light for the Gentiles,
that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.”

Amos said God would repair the tabernacle of David so that "the rest of mankind" could worship

Hallelujah!! Happy Easter!!

 

[Tumah]

I have to disagree

Of course you do.

The promise and is it the only promise punched with a qualifier of HOLY in the psalms is the promise to Abraham in Psalm 89, which in eluded blessings not only for Abraham's family but for every family on earth

Abraham's promise is not mentioned anywhere in Psalm 89.
There is no relation between Psalm 89 and the promise to Abraham except if you create one yourself.
Which apparently you did.

Isaiah specifically mentions gentiles said the nations will hope in the root of Jesse. That's pretty strong. The root of Jesse is God

Isaiah 11:1
[ The Branch From Jesse ] A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.

Isaiah 11:10
In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him, and his resting place will be glorious.

These are two separate concepts. The fact that nations will come to seek out the Messiah has nothing to do with salvation. They are not being saved from a predicament, they are turning to the one sent by G-d. It doesn't say anything more than that.

Isaiah 49:6 New International Version (NIV)
6 he says:
“It is too small a thing for you to be my servant
to restore the tribes of Jacob
and bring back those of Israel I have kept.
I will also make you a light for the Gentiles,
that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.”

I'm not sure why you're quoting this verse again. I've already explained this verse in the previous post.

Amos said God would repair the tabernacle of David so that "the rest of mankind" could worship

Hallelujah!! Happy Easter!!

That's not what he says at all.

 

[sooda]

Amos
The Book of Amos is the third of the Twelve Minor Prophets in the Tanakh/Old Testament and the second in the Greek Septuagint tradition. Amos, an older contemporary of Hosea and Isaiah,[1] was active c. 750 BC during the reign of Jeroboam II[1] (788–747 BC),[2] making the Book of Amos the first biblical prophetic book written.

Structure
(Michael D. Coogan, A Brief Introduction to the Old Testament, 2009, p. 256.)

• Oracles against the nations (1.3–2.6)
• Addresses to groups in Israel
  • Women of Samaria (4.1–3)
  • Rich persons in Samaria (6.1–7)
  • Rich persons in Jerusalem (8.4–8)
• Five symbolic visions of God's judgment on Israel, interrupted by a confrontation between Amos and his listeners at Bethel (7.10–17):
  • Locusts (7.1–3)
  • Fire (7.4–6)
  • A plumb line (7.7–9)
  • A basket of fruit (8.1–3)
    • • God beside the altar (9.1–8a)
    • Epilogue 9:8b–15

Amos lived in the kingdom of Judah but preached in the northern kingdom of Israel.[1] His major themes of social justice, God's omnipotence, and divine judgment became staples of prophecy.



Summary
The book opens with a historical note about the prophet, then a short oracle announcing Yahweh's judgment (repeated in the Book of Joel).

The prophet denounces the crimes against humanity committed by the gentile nations, tells Israel that even they have sinned and are guilty of the same crimes, and report five symbolic visions prophesying the destruction of Israel.

Included in this, with no apparent order, are an oracle on the nature of prophecy, snippets of hymns, oracles of woe, a third-person prose narrative concerning the prophet, and an oracle promising restoration of the House of David, which had not yet fallen in Amos's lifetime.

Book of Amos explained

 

[whirlingmerc]

Abraham's promise is highlighted as holy in Psalm 105 My mistake apologies.

In the end you seem to try to say Moses just means 'God will make some jews who are a nation jealous using some jews who are not a nation' and it seems a stretch beyond the normal use of words

and when Isaiah says similar 'a people who are disobedient are israel' and 'the not a people are israel'???? and disobedient Israel is sinless in Isaiah 53 suffering and dying for themself who are all described as sinners turned to their own way... definitely a stretch and not the normal use of words

Isaiah 49:6 mentions both gentiles and salvation and in Isaiah 52 following the suffering servant sprinkles the nations which makes perfect sense in Christ.

Psalm 67 clearly says 'let the NATIONS be glad" and join in worship and Psalm 117 is clearly a call for all nations to come enjoy the goodness of God. (not merely Israel)

Psalm 98 clearly says The Lord has made his salvation known and revealed his righteousness to the nations. (not merely Israel)

As it is written in Daniel 7 where the Son of Man comes with the clouds and is spiritually served by people of every tribe and lounge and people group on earth (hardly just Israel)

In Christ it is resolved with salvation coming from the Jews in Christ for the world

 

[Tumah]

Abraham's promise is highlighted as holy in Psalm 105 My mistake apologies.

The only promise to Abraham highlighted in Psa. 105 is the promise that his children would inherit the land of Israel.

In the end you seem to try to say Moses just means 'God will make some jews who are a nation jealous using some jews who are not a nation' and it seems a stretch beyond the normal use of words

No, that's not what I said at all. You should go back and look that over.

and when Isaiah says similar 'a people who are disobedient are israel' and 'the not a people are israel'???? and disobedient Israel is sinless in Isaiah 53 suffering and dying for themself who are all described as sinners turned to their own way... definitely a stretch and not the normal use of words

The first half of Isa. 53 is from the perspective of the leaders of the nations of the world. It's them talking about Israel as the end of Isa. 52 explains. Not Israel talking about itself.

Isaiah 49:6 mentions both gentiles and salvation

No it doesn't. It mentions nations and salvation. Incidentally, Gen. 35:11 and 48:4 refer to the tribes as "nations" and "peoples".

and in Isaiah 52 following the suffering servant sprinkles the nations which makes perfect sense in Christ.

No, that doesn't make any sense at all in context. It means startle, not sprinkle.

Psalm 67 clearly says 'let the NATIONS be glad" and join in worship and Psalm 117 is clearly a call for all nations to come enjoy the goodness of God. (not merely Israel)

Absolutely. I'm not trying to deny non-Jews the ability to worship G-d or to claim that there is no call for all nations to worship G-d. But there is a difference between that and what you've been claiming all along.

Psalm 98 clearly says The Lord has made his salvation known and revealed his righteousness to the nations. (not merely Israel)

Yes, as the next verse clarifies, He made His salvation of the House of Israel known to the nations, when He remembered His kindness and faithfulness.

As it is written in Daniel 7 where the Son of Man comes with the clouds and is spiritually served by people of every tribe and lounge and people group on earth (hardly just Israel)

And again, I do not deny that eventually all the remaining people in the world will serve G-d exclusively.

In Christ it is resolved with salvation coming from the Jews in Christ for the world

The only way to resolve anything by introducing the NT in the Tanach is by ignoring context and cherry-picking verses and even words that suit the outcome you're trying to achieve. And that is definitely not something that should be called a resolution.

 

[whirlingmerc]

I see. You are inserting a prophecy about Jesus in every verse and damning Paul and Peter as false prophets.

Exodus 19 is about Israel.

And yet Israel was never a nation of priests, the priests were a small minority after the golden calf.

and yet Peter argues that the church is a nation of priests in fulfillment of this.
What would you say your fulfillment in Israel might be?

 

[sooda]

And yet Israel was never a nation of priests, the priests were a small minority after the golden calf.

and yet Peter argues that the church is a nation of priests in fulfillment of this.
What would you say your fulfillment in Israel might be?

Exodus 19:6 And unto Me you shall be a kingdom of priests ...
https://biblehub.com/exodus/19-6.htm
you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.'

These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites."

New Living Translation And you will be my kingdom of priests, my holy nation.’

This is the message you must give to the people of Israel.”

English Standard Version and you shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’

 

[whirlingmerc]

Of course you do.


Abraham's promise is not mentioned anywhere in Psalm 89.
There is no relation between Psalm 89 and the promise to Abraham except if you create one yourself.
Which apparently you did.


These are two separate concepts. The fact that nations will come to seek out the Messiah has nothing to do with salvation. They are not being saved from a predicament, they are turning to the one sent by G-d. It doesn't say anything more than that.

I'm not sure why you're quoting this verse again. I've already explained this verse in the previous post.


That's not what he says at all.

In the largest picture Abraham was promised his seed (singular) would bless every family on earth

This fits with the type of Joseph in Egypt where God had a plan to redeem the Jews and that plan involved Joseph being rejected by his brothers, suffering, figuratively dying and overcoming death figuratively being raised to the right hand of Pharaoh (sounds like Isaiah 53) The gentiles believed and were saved
and eventually his Jewish brothers' eyes were opened and were saved as well... both groups

but as far as the song of Moses. It is a song of future rebellion of Israel and God making them jealous

Deuteronomy 32:21 New International Version (NIV)
21 They made me jealous by what is no god
and angered me with their worthless idols.
I will make them envious by those who are not a people;
I will make them angry by a nation that has no understanding.

And the gentiles being a nation that has no understanding fits that perfectly. God makes things out of nothing so why not a church out of the gentiles

 

[sooda]

1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal ...
https://biblehub.com/1_peter/2-9.htm
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. But you are not like that, for you are a chosen people. You are royal priests, a holy nation, God's very own possession.

 

[whirlingmerc]

Exodus 19:6 And unto Me you shall be a kingdom of priests ...
https://biblehub.com/exodus/19-6.htm
you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.'

These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites."

New Living Translation And you will be my kingdom of priests, my holy nation.’

This is the message you must give to the people of Israel.”

English Standard Version and you shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’

And Israel never was a kingdom of priests as a nation.... almost immediately there was the golden calf incident and those who were priest was greatly narrowed to the house of Aaron and Levites The promise would be fulfilled but not yet at that time " you are to be " suggests future

Happily a kingdom of priests is fulfilled in the church where each believer man or woman is a priest to God