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How is Iranian influence a threat to stability in the middle east?

JRMcC

JRMcC

Active Member
Please, assume I know nothing and tell me. There have been several threads about the Iran-Israel nuke situation, so please don't focus entirely on that. Why is it a problem that Iran is helping to fight ISIS?
 
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Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
JRMcC said:
Please, assume I know nothing and tell me. There have been several threads about the Iran-Israel nuke situation, so please don't focus entirely on that. Why is it a problem that Iran is helping to fight ISIS?
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Because it holds the serious risk that Israel may no longer have its carte blanche backed up by American power, and Israel is liable to continue on acting how it has always acted, starting fights with its neighbours. Only, they'll have to do the work themselves this time, having to factor in serious regard for retaliation. Few states are so droolingly stupid to act against the US & NATO. Were Israel to lose that free pass, well..

Comes around, goes around, all that.
 
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Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
xkatz said:
More important than the threat to the State of Israel- because Iran getting nukes = Saudi Arabia getting nukes. The last thing I want is a fanatical, Wahhabi country having nukes.
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While I certainly agree in sentiment, I can't bring myself to condemn an Iranian nuclear program when Israel has had one for decades. The deck is far too stacked in that regard.
 
Tumah

Tumah

Veteran Member
Nietzsche said:
While I certainly agree in sentiment, I can't bring myself to condemn an Iranian nuclear program when Israel has had one for decades. The deck is far too stacked in that regard.
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Yeah. I can't imagine why Israel would want to maintain offensive superiority either.

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xkatz

xkatz

Well-Known Member
Nietzsche said:
While I certainly agree in sentiment, I can't bring myself to condemn an Iranian nuclear program when Israel has had one for decades. The deck is far too stacked in that regard.
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Assuming we are talking about nuclear weapons, while the deck may certainly, "far too stacked" in one direction, I do not see the logical of justifying countries building weapons just because other countries already have them. The current goal of the United States, the nations of the world should be to enforce a halt of any proliferation, with the hopes of eventually being able to largely get rid of nuclear weapons. Letting Iran get them would only harm this cause and only complicate things even more in the ME. And also, regardless of Israel, I cannot be comfortable of a country where chanting, "Death to America!" is seen as a virtue.
 
Sultan Of Swing

Sultan Of Swing

Well-Known Member
Nietzsche said:
While I certainly agree in sentiment, I can't bring myself to condemn an Iranian nuclear program when Israel has had one for decades. The deck is far too stacked in that regard.
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Do you really trust Iran with nukes to the same degree you would trust Israel with them? Okay, let's say we can't trust anyone with nukes, surely Iran isn't much of a hot contender? Israel is a free democracy with civil rights; Tel Aviv is named the "gay capital of the Middle East". I'd expect Israel to be championed by the progressive lefties, and yet it is seen as some monstrous entity while Iran is an innocent ol' grandma who just wants to protect herself, no doubt a sound bastion of human rights and liberties.
 
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Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Sultan Of Swing said:
Do you really trust Iran with nukes to the same degree you would trust Israel with them? Okay, let's say we can't trust anyone with nukes, surely Iran isn't much of a hot contender? Israel is a free democracy with civil rights; Tel Aviv is named the "gay capital of the Middle East". I'd expect Israel to be championed by the progressive lefties, and yet it is seen as some monstrous entity while Iran is an innocent ol' grandma who just wants to protect herself, no doubt a sound bastion of human rights and liberties.
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I don't like any of the people at the table. All of them are drowning in blood they've shed over a worthless piece of desert because a voice in their heads says it should be their own to the exclusion of others. I'm rooting for a lose-lose situation at this point, because at least then both might get what has been coming to them.
 
JRMcC

JRMcC

Active Member
columbus said:
Why do you think Iran fighting ISIS is considered a problem?
The problem is the gigantic number of people who support ISIS.
Tom
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I don't think it's a problem, but a lot of conservatives do. I actually got the idea to post this when I saw John McCain complaining that Iranian influence is spreading. People worry that Iran's fighting ISIS will lead (or is leading rather) to a spread of Iranian influence in the region.
 
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Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Tumah said:
Possibly, I don't know what it is.
If I am, will it make my argument less valid?
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"Yellow Peril" refers to the paranoid delusions harboured by the west in the late 19th to mid-20th century that the "Mongoloid throngs" of Asia would mobilize against Good White People, as if they were all some kind of hive-mind.

That's basically what you're arguing.

"All Arab states are against Israel"

"Why?"

"They're Arabs. And states"
 
JRMcC

JRMcC

Active Member
Is the possibility of conflict between Iran and Israel the only thing that makes Iran a threat to stability in the region? If there is something else, someone please say.
 
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