Tumah
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We don't need to look at the entire map to see how precarious a position Israel holds. Just look at neighbors.
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How is Iranian influence a threat to stability in the middle east?
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JRMcC
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Yeah those dang dirty crazy Arabs. God bless Israel.
Somebody please save this thread and answer the question I initially asked!
Tumah
Veteran Member
Sorry didn't mean to derail.
JRMcC
Active Member
I can't.
Servant_of_the_One1
Well-Known Member
Iranian Influence is much preferable than Zionist Influence.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
According to the CIA, Iran spends somewhere around $300 million annually on supporting terrorism, some of it aimed at the west. Israel, otoh, does no such thing. So, needless to say, I have a very hard time understanding why anyone, with the exception of those who actually support terrorism and hate the west, would support what Iran does more than what "Zionists" supposedly do.
It's unbelievable that some actually believe and offers "likes" that see Israel as more of a threat than a country that openly supports terrorism and calls America "the Great Satan". I guess I have to question why they feel an anti-west terrorist-supporting country is more endearing to them than a pro-western democracy?
It's unbelievable that some actually believe and offers "likes" that see Israel as more of a threat than a country that openly supports terrorism and calls America "the Great Satan". I guess I have to question why they feel an anti-west terrorist-supporting country is more endearing to them than a pro-western democracy?
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Servant_of_the_One1
Well-Known Member
Isreal poses a different kind of danger to us:
- By their actions towards Muslims in Israel, they inflame the Muslim world against us, the supporter
- By their political influence in the US, they induce us to spend massive amounts of money on them & their behalf.
- By the same, they involve us in non-defensive foreign wars.
- They spy upon us.
- They thwart our foreign policy efforts (eg, the old S African embargo).
- There is a risk of their attacking (unprovoked) their neighbors, & embroiling us in the conflict, & making us a larger target of terrorism.
The choice here really isn't that much better. I'd prefer a situation where both sides were put back under some form of colonial rule until you both grew the **** up and could share your toys.Blablablabla
Someone is jealous at the new found romance between usa and iran
JRMcC
Active Member
Well... I'm certainly no fan of the west. What defines a terrorist for you? I take issue with the term when it's used too generically. "Terrorist groups" do different things for different reasons.
Edit: What I'm getting at here is that I feel like you must be saying that Iran funds groups that fight Israel using extreme, unconventional or barbaric methods depending on the situation. This would have nothing to do with Boko Haram for instance. So to merely say that Iran funds "terrorist groups" is to intentionally create confusion in my opinion.
That John McCain sees that as automatically a bad thing is a good clue of how suspect his claims are.
Iran is also very much suspect when it comes to loyalty to causes that have the support of the USA or the UK, for what turn out to be very good reasons IMO.
The core issue, it seems to me, is that there is a lot of bad blood between Iran and "the West" and no easy way out of that. Far too often we end up sliding into what is in essence thinly-disguised genocidal thinking out of despair and habit. But that is exactly what we should remove out of ourselves if peace and stability are goals to be seriously pursued.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
At least I know which side
Iran more than just funds Hamas and Hezbollah, and their actions elsewhere have been making headlines for several decades now and in many different countries as"soft-targets" (civilians) are most often the victims. BTW, a majority of them, as you should know, have been fellow Muslims.
Really?
1948 Arab-Israel war was FIVE arab nations acting in unison, as one, attempting to wipe the new Israel from the face of the
earth and kill every Jew in sight.
If anyone wants more about united Arab attacks on Israel go here:
Arab-Israeli Wars and Conflicts (1948-Present)
It's a brief article with no big hard words.
Israel is populated by only about 6.4 million Jews;
surrounded by 332 million muslims that want all Jews, everywhere, DEAD.
Period. End of story.
Right. Uh-huh.
Be careful, better not let Germany reunify, they'll just start another war.
Right. Uh-huh.
Be careful, better not let Germany reunify, they'll just start another war.
That statement has nothing, as in zero, to do with the Arab-Israel "conflict" much better described as a
muslim vs. jew war.
I'm not much on memorizing history but didn't Israel whip the snot out of every Arab nation that started a war
with Isreal?
Not that it matters much. Seems Judaism and Christianity and Islam were born in the Middle East and it looks
very much like it's going to end for all in the same place.
If the destabilization of the region continues there won't be much left to fight about.
Then there is the much, much, bigger picture.
Which was started because...? Ah yes, that's right, Palestinians being forced out of their homes in order to make a Jewish State.
Depends. The various Arab states were rather hamstrung because of Israel's connections with first the Soviet Union, then the West. Depending on the year, that is.
If you could find a way to leave the rest of the planet out of it, be my guest.
JRMcC
Active Member
BS alert! Wee-oo-wee-oo!
JRMcC
Active Member
If you could send me some info that'd be cool. I'm open to taking a harder stance against Iran but I need to be convinced with evidence.
Right. Probably Shiite militias or terrorist groups? I'm no expert but it usually seems to me that the Sunnis are instigating the violence. Think of the recent attack in Yemen. Boko Haram, ISIS, Al-queda are all Sunni. So I'm not too bothered by the fact that Iran is funding Shiite groups, but I need to learn more to be really sure.