How is Iranian influence a threat to stability in the middle east?

[jeager106]

BS alert! Wee-oo-wee-oo!

O.K. that seems mighty mean of you. Would you please enlighten me as to what is b.s.?
Ya, know I don't know everything and retain the right to be wrong at times.
So if you please, kindly correct any "b.s." in my statement that I might not commit another error.

You are only 24 yrs. old and live in Philly. Perahps you are going to college there to
earn a degree in M.E. Affairs?
By the way, 2 of my 4 "kids" live in the Philly burbs.

 

[JRMcC]

O.K. that seems mighty mean of you. Would you please enlighten me as to what is b.s.?
Ya, know I don't know everything and retain the right to be wrong at times.
So if you please, kindly correct any "b.s." in my statement that I might not commit another error.

Sure, I'll try to explain why I said that. You referred to the 1948 conflict which obviously did take place. What I doubt is the commonly accepted (commonly accepted in the west at least) details concerning it. Can you understand why? Remember that the winners of a war write the history books.

Actually the one thing I you said that I really really doubt is that the Arab set out to kill every Jew... I don't see any good reason to believe that. It seems like kind of a silly and racist assertion (I'm not targeting you in particular here, there are just a lot of commonly held ideas about the Arab world that are racist). After about 70 years of conflict, in which Palestine has been defeated and brutalized many times, we see this kind of rhetoric. But historically there hasn't been this kind of strong Jew hatred in the muslim world. If you have info that proves otherwise though, do let me know.

I would also encourage you consider that maybe Israel was actively doing something around the time of the 1948 conflict that might have instigated Arab aggression. At least consider that it might not be as black and white as we've been told it is by the winners of this war. Might Israel have been making land grabs with force after the partition plan was rejected? Did the ethnic cleansing of Palestinian villages take place before or after the Arab armies attacked? Does it makes sense that Israel defeated all those armies and gained all that land in a defensive war they weren't expecting? Alas I do not know, because I do not study M.E. affairs. I'm not really refuting your claim altogether, for the most part I'm just challenging it because I see good reason to do so.

 

[Pastek]

Right. Probably Shiite militias or terrorist groups? I'm no expert but it usually seems to me that the Sunnis are instigating the violence. Think of the recent attack in Yemen. Boko Haram, ISIS, Al-queda are all Sunni. So I'm not too bothered by the fact that Iran is funding Shiite groups, but I need to learn more to be really sure.

It's Iran who placed Al Maliki with US support. I've heard specialits talking about it but you can see a Shia saying it himself :

Al Maliki have let ISIS enter easily in Irak, he knew they were coming and he let them done it.
Bashar (supported by Iran)also let many terrorists and criminals out of prisons, like did Ben Ali during the revolution and same in Libya.

In case you haven't noticed it's always the same tactic made by arab leaders : they let terrorists spread destruction and fear the people , then act like heroes and like they are the only way : so dictatorship or extremists

Made by Algeria, Egypt, Tunisia, Syria etc ...

In Yemen what's happening is that the country is not united, some years ago it was split in 2 parts like North and South Korea and if i remember well they had then 2 presidents. Also they have some problems with Saudi Arabia in the borders since a long time and as they are many tribes and the governement is corrupted then everyone is making his own law.
Now Iran try to take an advantage with the Houthis by helping them talking the power.

All those influences game between Sunni and Shias here and there creates injustice and then extremists.
When one have the power, he is supported by this or that regime and the people who have not the "right" sect at this moment are left appart.

 

[metis]

If you could send me some info that'd be cool. I'm open to taking a harder stance against Iran but I need to be convinced with evidence.

I don't have time to get into it, but here's a link that you might find useful: Iran and state-sponsored terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Right. Probably Shiite militias or terrorist groups? I'm no expert but it usually seems to me that the Sunnis are instigating the violence. Think of the recent attack in Yemen. Boko Haram, ISIS, Al-queda are all Sunni. So I'm not too bothered by the fact that Iran is funding Shiite groups, but I need to learn more to be really sure.

Both pretty much are active, such as the Shi'i bombing a Sunni mosque yesterday in Yemen, and we've seen similar attacks against Sunni mosques and other civilians in Iraq.

 

[JacobEzra.]

Really?
1948 Arab-Israel war was FIVE arab nations acting in unison, as one, attempting to wipe the new Israel from the face of the
earth and kill every Jew in sight.
If anyone wants more about united Arab attacks on Israel go here:
Arab-Israeli Wars and Conflicts (1948-Present)
It's a brief article with no big hard words.

Israel is populated by only about 6.4 million Jews;
surrounded by 332 million muslims that want all Jews, everywhere, DEAD.
Period. End of story.

I wouldn't be so quick to speak for "332 million" people you never even met

 

[JRMcC]

It's Iran who placed Al Maliki with US support. I've heard specialits talking about it but you can see a Shia saying it himself :

Al Maliki have let ISIS enter easily in Irak, he knew they were coming and he let them done it.
Bashar (supported by Iran)also let many terrorists and criminals out of prisons, like did Ben Ali during the revolution and same in Libya.

In case you haven't noticed it's always the same tactic made by arab leaders : they let terrorists spread destruction and fear the people , then act like heroes and like they are the only way : so dictatorship or extremists

Made by Algeria, Egypt, Tunisia, Syria etc ...

In Yemen what's happening is that the country is not united, some years ago it was split in 2 parts like North and South Korea and if i remember well they had then 2 presidents. Also they have some problems with Saudi Arabia in the borders since a long time and as they are many tribes and the governement is corrupted then everyone is making his own law.
Now Iran try to take an advantage with the Houthis by helping them talking the power.

All those influences game between Sunni and Shias here and there creates injustice and then extremists.
When one have the power, he is supported by this or that regime and the people who have not the "right" sect at this moment are left appart.

Hi Pastek, thanks for this very informative post! You win the "actually answer the question I asked" award.
Metis gets an honorable mention.