How is Jesus serving as High Priest to God if he is God?

[Soapy]

Brother, I recommend connecting to Moses (a), Jesus (a), Elijah (a) or any of the past Guides you believe, ask them directly to guide you regarding Quran and Ahlulbayt (a). They may appear to you in a vision or dream or real life, God knows best what you can handle.

God took a pledge that every Prophet will help the final Messenger and guide people to him.

I believe the spiritual kingdom of light we all can access through our hearts and Prophets (a) of the past are ready to assist their lovers and followers to follow the newest and last of them.

I suggest doing this, it's better then studying translations of Quran which are horribly translated. Spiritual connect and see what happens.

May God give all lovers of him and believers of his oneness guidance and provide them with refuge from Satan and give them weapons against the dark magic and forces of Satan.

As much as I agree with what you seem to be saying, I will stick by the Christian faith that I believe in.

Truly, you may speak the truth from the Muslim perspective but having no knowledge of Muslim scriptures, I cannot partake of it.

In any case, who is the greater prophet.., Moses, or Elijah, … or Jesus?

When John the Baptist came among the people, they asked him: ‘Are you Elijah?’ He answered ‘No, but the one coming after me (Jesus) is greater than elijah!’ (Paraphrased from John 1:21-27)

 

[Soapy]

Did you read the whole verse of Psalms 82:6 ? I have said, Ye are gods;And all of you are children of the most high. Did you see the part about ye are gods? So this must mean that every person is a god. So do you believe every person is a god? Maybe it is not that simple.

‘God’, as a superlative adjective, means, ‘Great ones’, ‘Heroes’.

These were the great prophets, the judges, the holy men who received the word of God.

‘God’ is a TITLE… it does not pertain to only one person nor a family of persons… it is just like MONARCH, KING, JUDGE, RULER, MAJESTY…

It is by CONTEXT that it is applied:

• ‘A judge in his courtroom is GOD OF THAT COURTROOM’. He upholds the laws and makes the final decision on matters in THAT courtroom!
• ‘A Father (in a well ordered household) is GOD IN THAT HOUSEHOLD’ because he had the final say on all matters of the family business!
• ‘A Principal is GOD in his School’ because he sets the rules, upholds the law, and has the final say in all matters pertaining to that school!

But we can also say:

• ‘A lion is GOD in the jungle’ meaning that the lion is the MOST MAJESTIC creature in the jungle! Virtually ALL OTHER CREATURES FEAR IT.
• ‘Man is GOD over all created beings’ because all other created beings are in subjection to Mankind. Man is the most God feared created beings…

None of the above proclaim a comparison to THE GOD OF ALL WHOM ARE CALLED ‘GODS’.

Yhwh is the ULTIMATE (Title: God) because he is the greatest ‘(superlative adjective)!

 

[Fool]

Did you read the whole verse of Psalms 82:6 ? I have said, Ye are gods;And all of you are children of the most high. Did you see the part about ye are gods? So this must mean that every person is a god. So do you believe every person is a god? Maybe it is not that simple.

yes, that is what it means because god is omnipresent, everywhere and at all times, or everytime. psalms 46:10 and 1 corinthians 16:10 are telling you the same thing. GOD IS NOW

again monism is the only way that jesus could be god because he said god the father is greater. we are the children of the most high god. those who refuse to accept this deny the father, our father. call no one father it is written, because you have one father in heaven.


matthew 23:9

 

[pearl]

Exactly what the problem is with the trinity formula… because nowhere in the SCRIPTURES does anyone baptise in the name of the Father, and of the sin, and if the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 28:19
Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit,

Baptizing them: baptism is the means of entrance into the community of the risen one, the Church. In the name of the Father…holy Spirit: this is perhaps the clearest expression in the New Testament of trinitarian belief. It may have been the baptismal formula of Matthew’s church, but primarily it designates the effect of baptism, the union of the one baptized with the Father, Son, and holy Spirit.

 

[Soapy]

Matthew 28:19
Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit,

Baptizing them: baptism is the means of entrance into the community of the risen one, the Church. In the name of the Father…holy Spirit: this is perhaps the clearest expression in the New Testament of trinitarian belief. It may have been the baptismal formula of Matthew’s church, but primarily it designates the effect of baptism, the union of the one baptized with the Father, Son, and holy Spirit.

But Pearl… NO ONE in scriptures baptised that way!!!

 

[Hockeycowboy]

So when he says here "one God and one mediator between God and human beings," am I to not take the phrase "one God" here as to mean the Father, even though it does not say "Father"? It is in truth the Father. Do you disagree?

Indeed. It is *only* Jesus’ Father. (Our Father too, if we strive to act right). As per John 17:3 where in praying to his Father, he called Him “you, the only true God”. As for the 1st-Century Christians, they referred to Jesus as, not equal with God, but as God’s “holy Servant.” Acts of the Apostles 4.

The phrase "God our Savior" here, by consistency, must refer to the Father. For in the first instance he uses it in distinction from Christ Jesus by separating it with "and of," so in this by "God our Savior" he means the Father, even though it doesn't say "the Father." Do you disagree?

Again, you’re right. And John 3:16 explains it nicely…. If it wasn’t for Yahweh’s / Jehovah’s love for mankind, He wouldn’t have sent Jesus, or anyone else, as Messiah, for that matter.

As 1 Corinthians 15:28 says….

English Standard Version
“When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.”


Remember Ehud, and other saviors of Israel?

Judges 3:15 refers to Ehud as a savior….

American Standard Version
But when the children of Israel cried unto Jehovah, Jehovah raised them up a saviour, Ehud the son of Gera, the Benjamite, a man left-handed. And the children of Israel sent tribute by him unto Eglon the king of Moab.

…But ultimately, it was Jehovah God who sent him. So really, even though Ehud performed the saving act, it
was God who was their savior.
Ehud only saved Israel … but Jesus saves all of mankind exercising faith in Him & His Father, most will be exercising faith after their future resurrection, when all wicked influences will be gone.

Take care!

 

[pearl]

But Pearl… NO ONE in scriptures baptised that way!!!

You do realize that there was a community with a form of worship and baptizing BEFORE any penned Gospels or Epistles.

 

[Soapy]

You do realize that there was a community with a form of worship and baptizing BEFORE any penned Gospels or Epistles.

Pearl, no one in scriptures baptised in the way you claim … they baptised in one name only: Jesus Christ.

Moreover, it is not the ‘name’ that the practice is based on but rather, what the name STANDS FOR… :

• Honesty
• Truthfulness
• Integrity
• Reverence
• Humility
• Unselfishness
• …

towards God!

It can hardly be that Jesus name represents these things IF Jesus IS, himself, the GOD that these things go through…. Jesus can hardly be the mediator between God and Man if he is God!!

 

[sojourner]

The book of Hebrews has chapter and verse to say this about the Lord Jesus Christ:

• “Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human being.” (Hebrews 8:1-2)

When it is claimed by certain faction of ideological ‘Christian’ belief that ‘Jesus is almighty God’, it seems strange that the writings of the book of Hebrews should insinuate that Jesus IS NOT ALMIGHTY GOD (YHWH) by rather he is a SERVANT High Priest TO ALMIGHTY GOD.

Hebrews 7 shows Jesus being assigned the high priesthood BY GOD to serve in the ETERNAL spiritual capacity of the life limited version on earth.

Jesus is likened to the mysterious Melkizedek, to whom even Abraham paid tithes. Yet Melkizedek is not called ‘Almighty God’ since he serves in the capacity of ‘High Priest to the God most high’.

How is it then that Jesus Christ (which the book of Hebrews describes as being appointed to the high priesthood BY ALMIGHTY GOD) called ‘Almighty God’ even while Jesus Christ serves exactly in the capacity of high priest:

• “but he [Jesus Christ] became a priest with an oath when God said to him: “The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind: ‘You are a priest forever.’” (Hebrews 7:21)

Can it be so… can it be right… can it be true… that the Lord Jesus Christ is Almighty God AND a high priest to Almighty God?

Are there two Almighty Gods?

((Yet the ideological group of which I speak actually advocate that there are THREE ALMIGHTY GODS?))

You love to infer things that aren’t there and conflate terms. Better to try to understand. In fact, Trinitarians DON’T “advocate that there are three almighty Gods.”

 

[Soapy]

You love to infer things that aren’t there and conflate terms. Better to try to understand. In fact, Trinitarians DON’T “advocate that there are three almighty Gods.”

Yes they do. They just deny that the three GODS are three GODS by INFERRING that they are all the SAME ONE GOD… which is not only an impossibility but also a worthless union since if the three are all almighty then why the need for THREE?

And, in fact, this is exactly what the God of Abraham, Of Isaac, and of Jacob, spike to the Israelites:

• ‘You are to have only one God’
• ‘Hear, O Israel, YHWH, your God, is your only God!”
• “There is no other God, I know of none [other]… beside me there is no other’ (paraphrased)
• ‘I alone created all things!’

And many more statements such as these.

And yet trinity says it is not so… that God is lying… Yes, trinity accuses their creator of falsities!!!!

What YHWH spoke of was that the Israelites were not to be as like the tribes and nations they encountered in their travels wherein these PAGANS AND HEATHENS worshipped MANY GODS….!!
That the Israelite nation should worship ONLY ONE GOD - and that God was HE: YHWH.

It is a travesty of language and linguistics that anyone should infer that ‘Hear, o Israel, YHWH, your God, is your only God’ should mean that there are THREE OF US… as Trinitarians fallacious lay claim.

And even when Jesus claims the Father as his God, Trinitarians claim that Jesus is God if his Father is God!!

So amazing how trinity draws people into devilry!

Ask then:

• Is the Son of the King, King???

I thought the Son of the King was A PRINCE!

And, indeed, Jesus is described as ‘The PRINCE OF PEACE’ …

Oh, so who then is KING OF PEACE??

 

[sojourner]

Yes they do

You haven’t shown that we do. “Nuh-uh!” Followed by an alarming feat of double talk is no argument.

 

[pearl]

Pearl, no one in scriptures baptised in the way you claim … they baptised in one name only: Jesus Christ.

Scripture reflects how the churches of the NT practice their belief.

And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. But if you have not living water, baptize into other water; and if you can not in cold, in warm. But if you have not either, pour out water thrice upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whatever others can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before.
from the Didache.

 

[Soapy]

Scripture reflects how the churches of the NT practice their belief.

And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. But if you have not living water, baptize into other water; and if you can not in cold, in warm. But if you have not either, pour out water thrice upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whatever others can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before.
from the Didache.

Where are you reading this claptrap from?

What’s the Didache?

Seems like you had to go to great lengths to find anything that claimed a three way baptism … and what you found isn’t even in the scriptures.

The last person to do something similar tried to prove their fallacy from someone’s university thesis.

[Edit: Didache…
The Didache is considered part of the group of second-generation Christian writings known as the Apostolic Fathers. The work was considered by some Church Fathers to be a part of the New Testament, while being rejected by others as spurious or non-canonical, In the end, it was not accepted into the New Testament canon.]

You might as well start quoting from the book of Thomas or the book of Judas… the books of Satan!

 

[Soapy]

You haven’t shown that we do. “Nuh-uh!” Followed by an alarming feat of double talk is no argument.

So sorry for you.

Your non-answer answers everything I need to know about what you don’t know - and that you DO KNOW that what you think you know is not knowledge but has no ledge to sit upon…

 

[sojourner]

Where are you reading this claptrap from?

What’s the Didache?

Seems like you had to go to great lengths to find anything that claimed a three way baptism … and what you found isn’t even in the scriptures.

The last person to do something similar tried to prove their fallacy from someone’s university thesis.

[Edit: Didache…
The Didache is considered part of the group of second-generation Christian writings known as the Apostolic Fathers. The work was considered by some Church Fathers to be a part of the New Testament, while being rejected by others as spurious or non-canonical, In the end, it was not accepted into the New Testament canon.]

You might as well start quoting from the book of Thomas of the book of Judas… the books of Satan!

How little you appear to understand.

 

[Soapy]

How little you appear to understand.

You are right… I do not understand the nonsense that you trinitarian ideologists take as your fallacious doctrine.

You say Jesus is God and was with God!

You say that Jesus was taught by the Father but not by God … because Jesus IS GOD?

So you say Jesus, who you say is God, was taught by the Father - who is God!!!

And Jesus was born even though he was God?

And he was killed but did not die because he was God? But scriptures says he did die - and that redemption could not be achieved unless Jesus did die!!!

So you are saying that there is still no redemption for msn because the Son of God has not yet died for the cause??

So, please answer to these queries if you can!

 

[sojourner]

You say Jesus is God and was with God!

Well… the Gospel of John says that. Unless, of course, you don’t believe the Bible.

So, please answer to these queries if you can!

Bogus questions require no answer.

 

[Soapy]

Well… the Gospel of John says that. Unless, of course, you don’t believe the Bible.


Bogus questions require no answer.

I hear your pleas for mercy!!

You are just like the demon angels pleading with Jesus allow them to enter into the bodies of pigs so the pigs would go crazy and drown themselves in the waters!!!

Those demon angels recognise their demonic behaviour…. How strange that you don’t!!

 

[sojourner]

I hear your pleas for mercy!!

You are just like the demon angels pleading with Jesus allow them to enter into the bodies of pigs so the pigs would go crazy and drown themselves in the waters!!!

Those demon angels recognise their demonic behaviour…. How strange that you don’t!!

John’s Gospel in the first chapter has nothing to do with pleas, pigs, or demons. You’re really playing the No True Scotsman fallacy.

 

[Soapy]

Well… the Gospel of John says that.

No it does not say that Jesus was with God and was God.

That’s what Trinitarians say.

John 1:1 says that the word of God was in the beginning with God.

And that the word of God was God.

It doesn’t say that the word of God is Jesus … because that’s not the purpose of the stanza poem.

Do you know what an adjective is?
Do you know what a superlative (adjective) is?

I guess not!

To be ‘God’ is a ‘superlative Adjective’:

• ‘A judge in his courtroom is GOD in that courtroom’
• ‘A judge in his courtroom is [the law, the rule giver and law upholder, the highest authority, the most powerful] in that courtroom’

‘God’ is also a TITLE… it is not a PERSON… it is a title (like Monarch, King, Magistrate) APPLIED to a person:

• ‘A Father in his household is GOD of that household’
• ‘A Father in his household is [the HEAD, the ruler, the final decision maker] in that household’

So, the word was God… The word that THE GOD of the Jews spoke in the beginning (Genesis 1:1) was an ALMIGHTY word!:

• ‘Let there be light!!!’

No one ever tries to persuade believers that the Father is God (Title)!

No one ever says that the Spirit of the Father is GOD (title)!

No one ever claimed that Jesus is God (deity/title). Not even the Jews… The nearest was they CLAIMED that Jesus was ‘calling himself / implying’ that he was ‘GOD’ (title) because he said: ‘God is my Father’!

And that doesn’t make sense either because nowhere else is there any accusation that having God as your Father made you God, also!!

After-all, the Jews all claimed GOD AS THEIR FATHER, too!!

What do you think?