How is photography not a tool of Satan?

[CogentPhilosopher]

Yes that god made humans just to be a dick to us dragons and spread the idea that we are evil.

Pretty sure the fossil record shows otherwise.

Every creature makes up a small part of the whole, I do not mean it like that. I mean that you are trapped in the galaxy.

Okay.

What does "nihalist" mean? I am confused on that statement.

It's really unconvincing when you purposely misspell a word that we all know you have right in front of you when making a reply.

A nihilist is someone who believes that life has no intrinsic meaning.

Haha there is such thing as a humanist? wow how original and speciesentric There is as much value in a human as there is in a pig, so close that you can even see the resemblance.

Didn't you just say that all creatures where equally important? If that is the case then wouldn't a dragon's life be just as important as a pig's life.

Also trying to convince us that you are a wise dragon is made even more ridiculous when you pretend to be a racist dragon.

Humanism was founded when people where talking about the value of intelligence over the ideas of deity.

Now days the term may be becoming inaccurate due to the recent advance in AI.

That is so bull****. You can put a value on a human life, so can you put a value on every other creatures life. I believe in an idea similar to socialism when it comes to the value of life. Even us dragons do not like to take lives yet to live requires some sacrifice. You humans do not respect your food.

Watch out, you breathing is killing lots of bacteria.

A proper respect is killing the creature yourself and saying that you require its life and to give it thanks.

First of all, there are humans who do/did that. Especially in North America.

Second of all, why would it matter if you did it or someone else?

Humans kill a lot of species and a lot of the same kind.

Humans as a whole actually have a much more varied diet than most other animals.

Humans really hate coyotes and lizards for some reason. They have culls on them or they just kill them for fur or scales.

Uhhhhhh da f*** are you on about?

Humans kill a lot of cows, pigs, chickens, and such MUCH more than lizards and coyotes. I live in a place where there are a lot of coyotes and a lot of hunters and I have NEVER heard of anyone killing a coyote for it's fur.

Not to mention most humans do not even live in the same places as coyotes.

That is forbidden yet I should not tell a human what is forbidden because they don't listen anyways.

Most people don't listen to a person claiming to be a dragon but refusing to show proof? How irrational of them!

Oh and by whose authority are these things "forbidden"?

I am a pacifist too, so are all dragons. We believe in peace.

That's a pretty racist thing to say.

I spend my time doing schoolwork too yet even as a hatching I know more about life than you do.

Yet this supposed wise dragon wants to stereotype an entire species.

I don't get what they "I don't" section is about.

Apparently you don't know more about English than I do at birth.[/QUOTE]

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

Rather he created us to enjoy his glory.

So he created people to worship him and tortures them forever if they don't? Sounds pretty messed up to me.

Narcissism is an

inflated sense of one's value and ability. God has no illusions about his qualities, that he is the supreme reality from which everything else is contingent is simply the state of affairs.

Narcissism Psychology: extreme selfishness, with a grandiose view of one's own talents and a craving for admiration, as characterizing a personality type.

It's not per se.

AKA: It's not but I am about to strawman them in order to make it seem like it is.

It's those who use the grandeur of the universe to argue against the value human beings are said to have to God who practice a false humility.

How so?

Nihilism is a facade.

So no nihilist is genuine?

By the way I am not a nihilist and I do not think that most atheists are.

I've seen it plenty of times. The atheist will rant about how stupid and foolish you have to be to believe that we are more than primates, that our lives have true meaning and significance beyond the animal. They'll even call it narcissism.

Now I think you are a lair and I'm not going to bother to read or respond any further.

Don't lie to my face and maybe we can talk again.

 

[TheTruthGivingDragon]

Pretty sure the fossil record shows otherwise.



Okay.



It's really unconvincing when you purposely misspell a word that we all know you have right in front of you when making a reply.

A nihilist is someone who believes that life has no intrinsic meaning.



Didn't you just say that all creatures where equally important? If that is the case then wouldn't a dragon's life be just as important as a pig's life.

Also trying to convince us that you are a wise dragon is made even more ridiculous when you pretend to be a racist dragon.

Humanism was founded when people where talking about the value of intelligence over the ideas of deity.

Now days the term may be becoming inaccurate due to the recent advance in AI.



Watch out, you breathing is killing lots of bacteria.



First of all, there are humans who do/did that. Especially in North America.

Second of all, why would it matter if you did it or someone else?



Humans as a whole actually have a much more varied diet than most other animals.



Uhhhhhh da f*** are you on about?

Humans kill a lot of cows, pigs, chickens, and such MUCH more than lizards and coyotes. I live in a place where there are a lot of coyotes and a lot of hunters and I have NEVER heard of anyone killing a coyote for it's fur.

Not to mention most humans do not even live in the same places as coyotes.



Most people don't listen to a person claiming to be a dragon but refusing to show proof? How irrational of them!

Oh and by whose authority are these things "forbidden"?



That's a pretty racist thing to say.



Yet this supposed wise dragon wants to stereotype an entire species.



Apparently you don't know more about English than I do at birth.

[/QUOTE]

Of course they do not show dragons because our dead bodies are not allowed on earth too long.

I am doing this in the day and there is such a bad glare on this thing. so what if I can not spell your human words right? I am a dragon you idiot.

All life is precious therefore none is precious. Life is something that all creatures live that is limited and it is a test because the dragon gods got bored.

I was referring to mortals when I said that. Dragons made this world and should be treated with respect.

I did not claim to be the wisest dragon. I am only a hatchling

Sure whatever you say although giving it the name humanist is not a good idea because it excludes other species. Humans are not even smart. They are barbaric and kill each other over petty things like paper with numbers written on it.

I don't brush so my breath is actually full of bacteria. Dragon bites are super toxic to humans.

The cows and pigs humans kill get consumed so I don't care about them. Well the select humans that do kill them either kill the coyotes for "population control" and if they don't even use their fur then that is an even bigger of a waste. The people who kill lizards should be killed too. There is no reason to kill them.

We don't show ourselves because being killed sucks. The elder sat rules and they are to be followed by all creatures.

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

Of course they do not show dragons because our dead bodies are not allowed on earth too long.

I was referring to intermediary fossils. Humans have a common ancestor with other primates, we where not created.

I am doing this in the day and there is such a bad glare on this thing.

Doesn't stop you from scrolling on the screen to see around it.

so what if I can not spell your human words right? I am a dragon you idiot.

If you where a dragon and refuse to prove it, then you should accept that most humans are not going to be naive enough to believe you. If you are a human and know you are not a dragon then the joke is getting old. If you are a human and think you are a dragon, please seek professional help.

All life is precious therefore none is precious.

That would violate one of the two certainties of the world. The law of non-contradiction.

QUOTE="TheTruthGivingDragon, post: 5177194, member: 62126"]
Life is something that all creatures live that is limited and it is a test because the dragon gods got bored.[/quote]

They sound like a**holes then.

I was referring to mortals when I said that. Dragons made this world and should be treated with respect.

You said before that dragons where mortal and that you where killed with a sword. Keep your story straight.

I did not claim to be the wisest dragon. I am only a hatchling

I didn't say you claimed to be the wisest dragon.

Sure whatever you say although giving it the name humanist is not a good idea because it excludes other species.

Says the alleged dragon that is racist against all humans.

Humans are not even smart.

1) Racist

2) Even if your little story is correct, humans have invented and learned a h*** pf a lot more than dragons.

They are barbaric and kill each other over petty things like paper with numbers written on it.

Racist.

I don't brush so my breath is actually full of bacteria.

Is that why everything coming out of your mouth stinks so much?

BTW if you really are a dragon stuck in a human body you had better brush your teeth before you lose them.

Dragon bites are super toxic to humans.

Except they aren't real.

The cows and pigs humans kill get consumed so I don't care about them. Well the select humans that do kill them either kill the coyotes for "population control" and if they don't even use their fur then that is an even bigger of a waste. The people who kill lizards should be killed too. There is no reason to kill them.

Don't try to backpedal out of this. You claimed that humans as a whole hate coyotes. Now back it up.

We don't show ourselves because being killed sucks.

If dragons are so smart and powerful then how did a barely educated human kill you with a sword?

The elder sat rules and they are to be followed by all creatures.

And what gives them the right?

 

[TheTruthGivingDragon]

I was referring to intermediary fossils. Humans have a common ancestor with other primates, we where not created.



Doesn't stop you from scrolling on the screen to see around it.



If you where a dragon and refuse to prove it, then you should accept that most humans are not going to be naive enough to believe you. If you are a human and know you are not a dragon then the joke is getting old. If you are a human and think you are a dragon, please seek professional help.



That would violate one of the two certainties of the world. The law of non-contradiction.

QUOTE="TheTruthGivingDragon, post: 5177194, member: 62126"]
Life is something that all creatures live that is limited and it is a test because the dragon gods got bored.

They sound like a**holes then.



You said before that dragons where mortal and that you where killed with a sword. Keep your story straight.



I didn't say you claimed to be the wisest dragon.

Says the alleged dragon that is racist against all humans.


1) Racist

2) Even if your little story is correct, humans have invented and learned a h*** pf a lot more than dragons.



Racist.



Is that why everything coming out of your mouth stinks so much?

BTW if you really are a dragon stuck in a human body you had better brush your teeth before you lose them.



Except they aren't real.



Don't try to backpedal out of this. You claimed that humans as a whole hate coyotes. Now back it up.



If dragons are so smart and powerful then how did a barely educated human kill you with a sword?



And what gives them the right?[/QUOTE]

that stuff is a hoax.

What am I seeing around?

I am a dragon I am no where close to a human. I am from an egg unlike you humans. This is no joke.

It does not violate it, nor is it a contradiction. If all creatures are special non of them can be special.

Oh the dragon gods sound like ********? explain to me how the god that humans believe in that is all knowing and all powerful is not an ******* despite the bad things that he did. All the dragon gods did was give a spark of life to the earth to see what it would turn into.

Mortals refers to the species of the earth who don't get reformed back into the earth in their same form. it does not mean we are invincible

I am assuming a lot of stuff about humans because they assumed about me and killed me

I can say the same thing about the way humans smell, it is absolutely repulsive.

what is a BTW? I don't get it.

I am real.

I am not back peddling out of anything. I am a stubborn dragon.

Humans hate everything that is seen as a predator or that can prey on "their" deer or whatever the hunters claim. Their ways are confusing. If humans don't hate coyotes then why do they have contests of killing them?

I was reading a book when they killed me. They took me by a cursed leash and struck me down.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I don't know what you're asking me there. Which is one is better for the environment of the earth? Probably humans, because if the planet dies at list humans can bring other species with them to live on the other planets. Right?

Dragons can also go into space. Some of them live there, though one is known to frequently be the pawn of alien species.

Are you really expecting us to accept this?

At this point, is this seriously the kind of person to get worked up about? Let the LARPer be. He wants to be a dragon, let him be a dragon. There are worse things in this world to deal with.

We dragons have free will although good is a matter of perspective. Take Hitler, sure he killed a lot of people but you can argue that he was doing it to create a pure German nation.

Purity is crap. I think all racial bigots ought to have their ancestral DNA tests done because then I could laugh when they realize their ancestors were not as discriminatory in bed as they like to think they were.

I am sure it is possible

No one's killing dragons now, anyway. So ...?

It isn't narcissism to believe humanity is a central piece of the creation, it's those who insist otherwise who indulge in a false humility.

How is it false? The earth didn't need us for billions of years and when our species dies out it won't care either. Dinosaurs lasted longer than we ever will, especially if you consider birds to be the descendants of certain theropods.

This so called humility is nothing more than a hypocritical contrivance to attack those who see objective value in the human creature.

There is no objective value in ANY creature. The big rocks we live on don't care what's on it (unless one believes in sentient planets, but I digress).

If humans were God's ultimate goal, why did it take so many billions of years of life; so many starts and stops, before He finally got around to creating us?

AND was disgusted with His creations about 10 minutes in?

You can't believe in the objective value of anything when you reject the basis on which objective value can even exist.

How does God arbitrarily declaring something valuable make it so? If I own a piece of some celebrity's toilet paper roll and get a million dollars for it at some auction, are you telling me it is seriously worth a million dollars?

Objectively?

The irony of the porn addict is their inability to experience real sexual love, because they've become so desensitised by their constant exposure to graphic material.

Addictive personalities are genetic and can be inherited. The content of the addiction is irrelevant.

"The irony of the religious fanatic is their inability to experience real spirituality, because they've become so desensitized by their constant exposure to religious authorities claiming they can only get a deity from a book."

See?

Have a look around you, relativism and hedonism are the creeds of this age. And that's perfectly reasonable if there's nothing else but this world.

How do they exist in theocracies or countries/kingdoms who wish they were theocracies?

Eat, drink and be merry because there's nothing for you but inevitable oblivion.

The Roman Empire fell AFTER legalizing Christianity, I might add.

Yes that god made humans just to be a dick to us dragons and spread the idea that we are evil.

Clearly not all reptiles are evil. I prefer them, actually.

Haha there is such thing as a humanist? wow how original and speciesentric There is as much value in a human as there is in a pig, so close that you can even see the resemblance.

I was going to protest, but a Klingon made a similar observation in Star Trek 6, so ... never mind

I am a pacifist too, so are all dragons. We believe in peace. I spend my time doing schoolwork too yet even as a hatching I know more about life than you do. I don't get what they "I don't" section is about.

When my autistic boyfriend isn't being a cat, he is a dragon. We're cool.

I am a dragon I am no where close to a human. I am from an egg unlike you humans. This is no joke.

Eggs are just egg cells that got a harder covering. We all come, technically, from eggs.

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

@TheTruthGivingDragon

Might want to fix your formatting there.

 

[TheTruthGivingDragon]

Dragons can also go into space. Some of them live there, though one is known to frequently be the pawn of alien species.


At this point, is this seriously the kind of person to get worked up about? Let the LARPer be. He wants to be a dragon, let him be a dragon. There are worse things in this world to deal with.


Purity is crap. I think all racial bigots ought to have their ancestral DNA tests done because then I could laugh when they realize their ancestors were not as discriminatory in bed as they like to think they were.


No one's killing dragons now, anyway. So ...?


How is it false? The earth didn't need us for billions of years and when our species dies out it won't care either. Dinosaurs lasted longer than we ever will, especially if you consider birds to be the descendants of certain theropods.


There is no objective value in ANY creature. The big rocks we live on don't care what's on it (unless one believes in sentient planets, but I digress).


AND was disgusted with His creations about 10 minutes in?


How does God arbitrarily declaring something valuable make it so? If I own a piece of some celebrity's toilet paper roll and get a million dollars for it at some auction, are you telling me it is seriously worth a million dollars?

Objectively?


Addictive personalities are genetic and can be inherited. The content of the addiction is irrelevant.

"The irony of the religious fanatic is their inability to experience real spirituality, because they've become so desensitized by their constant exposure to religious authorities claiming they can only get a deity from a book."

See?


How do they exist in theocracies or countries/kingdoms who wish they were theocracies?


The Roman Empire fell AFTER legalizing Christianity, I might add.

Clearly not all reptiles are evil. I prefer them, actually.


I was going to protest, but a Klingon made a similar observation in Star Trek 6, so ... never mind


When my autistic boyfriend isn't being a cat, he is a dragon. We're cool.


Eggs are just egg cells that got a harder covering. We all come, technically, from eggs.

we dragons made the world, we made the stars, we made galaxies with walls around them so very few other species interact. The "alien" boogyman is to scare humans by telling them that they will do exactly what they have done. Look at the natives of the US and Africa. They were either slaughtered or made into slaves. the exact thing is said about them.

I am a dragon and I am serious about it.

Well people are not killing dragons but we are hidden so that does not happen yet humans kill lizards for fun. Sure some are the small garden ones/anoles but people in Puerto Rico, forada, and the middle east kill bigger lizards like iguanas or monitors

I am not autistic you inconsiderate mortal. Sure but being raised inside a body is just gross.

 

[TheTruthGivingDragon]

@TheTruthGivingDragon

Might want to fix your formatting there.

Formatting? what?

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

Let the LARPer be. He wants to be a dragon, let him be a dragon. There are worse things in this world to deal with.

I don't their gender, but that is not LARPing.

Yeah there are, but I am trying to give them pointers on how to make their account better.

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

Formatting? what?

Look at your previous post. The formatting is way off.

 

[TheTruthGivingDragon]

Look at your previous post. The formatting is way off.

I don't know how to do the formatting in this thing

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

I don't know how to do the formatting in this thing

You have done it right before.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

Is photography prohibited in Islam?

I couldn't care less if it is or is not!

 

[TheTruthGivingDragon]

You have done it right before.

I did it the same

 

[Glaurung]

So he created people to worship him and tortures them forever if they don't? Sounds pretty messed up to me.

Hell properly speaking is simply a state wherein a soul is cut off from any ability to experience grace; thus cut off from God (who is love) there simply isn't anything left but misery, pain and hatred. It's a hard doctrine to accept, but God just wouldn't be good if those who reject the good are nonetheless bestowed with the graces of that very good. Hell exists, because at least some people want to go there. God doesn't force us to accept Him.

Narcissism Psychology: extreme selfishness, with a grandiose view of one's own talents and a craving for admiration, as characterizing a personality type.

That's the thing, God's own view of Himself isn't grandiose. God demands worship not because He would lack anything otherwise, but because worship is in and of itself the good and just response of the creature to the all-powerful, all-good and incomprehensible God. God's dignity is an objective reality, not a grandiose claim. Satan's is the grandiose claim, the deluded notion of moral and ontological independence from God.

Is it not good and just to praise the admirable qualities and actions of other people? If so, why is the notion that the one being who has every admiral trait ad infinitum is also worthy of praise and even worship unreasonable? My position is that it's not only reasonable, morality and justice demand it. This sense of justice is a big part of the reason I'm a Christian. I cannot help but to desire to worship God, because that's just how wonderful God is.

AKA: It's not but I am about to strawman them in order to make it seem like it is.

I've seen it too many times. No one believes in their own worthlessness. It's a faint of the anti-theist.

So no nihilist is genuine?

Not unless you're sociopathic.

Now I think you are a lair and I'm not going to bother to read or respond any further.

It has been the central message of identity atheism as a movement. Embrace materialism and scientism or you're a backwards and potentially dangerous moron.

 

[Glaurung]

How is it false? The earth didn't need us for billions of years and when our species dies out it won't care either. Dinosaurs lasted longer than we ever will, especially if you consider birds to be the descendants of certain theropods.

It's not about what the earth needs. The point is that we're here, and I don't subscribe to the dogma that it's accidental. I look at my fellow human beings, I look at the stars at night, and I don't see a blind accident. I don't believe in the religion of atheistic materialism.

There is no objective value in ANY creature. The big rocks we live on don't care what's on it (unless one believes in sentient planets, but I digress).

I disagree. I think every human being has deep intrinsic value by virtue of being in the image of God. But you are right in that if you reject God, then there's no objective reason to value human life.

How does God arbitrarily declaring something valuable make it so? If I own a piece of some celebrity's toilet paper roll and get a million dollars for it at some auction, are you telling me it is seriously worth a million dollars?

The economic value of an object is whatever will be paid for that object. But that's not the value I'm talking about. I'm talking about something much deeper than the value of economic goods, I'm talking about moral value. The extent to which a thing or action aligns to the good, which is as I maintain a real objective reality beyond human opinion. God isn't arbitrary, He is what is objectively good. To understand this of course, you have to honestly engage with the theistic tradition of Christendom. I won't hold my breath.

Addictive personalities are genetic and can be inherited. The content of the addiction is irrelevant.

Predisposition does not override reason.

The second point is nonsense. Meth and caffeine are both addictive, but the former is far more damaging.

As for porn, there are communities of guys dedicated to kicking their compulsive porn habits and many attest to the the drastic improvement they have found in their lives by doing so. What?! Flooding your brain with graphic and novel sexual imagery day after day may have some long term negative effects? Heresy!

How do they exist in theocracies or countries/kingdoms who wish they were theocracies?

Frankly I see the moral lunacy we're in now setting us up for something much darker. The last century has shown us just how possible this is. Christian sanity is one of the few forces left that could stem the tide of extreme political ideology, of both left and right wing leanings.

The Roman Empire fell AFTER legalizing Christianity, I might add.

Only the western half. The Eastern Empire held on to the fifteenth century. Christianity only made it all the more glorious.

The Western Empire was crumbling before Christianity. In brief, it was overextended are far too corrupt. I would also like to add that it was the Germanic tribes (pagans) who dealt the deathblow. And it wasn't the tribesmen who kept the literary tradition alive, that was the work of the Christian monks.

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

I did it the same

Obviously not.

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

Hell properly speaking is simply a state wherein a soul is cut off from any ability to experience grace; thus cut off from God (who is love) there simply isn't anything left but misery, pain and hatred. It's a hard doctrine to accept, but God just wouldn't be good if those who reject the good are nonetheless bestowed with the graces of that very good. Hell exists, because at least some people want to go there. God doesn't force us to accept Him.

Well I hope love forgives me for thinking that he would not murder children.

That's the thing, God's own view of Himself isn't grandiose. God demands worship not because He would lack anything otherwise, but because worship is in and of itself the good and just response of the creature to the all-powerful, all-good and incomprehensible God. God's dignity is an objective reality, not a grandiose claim. Satan's is the grandiose claim, the deluded notion of moral and ontological independence from God.

If it is objective then you can prove it. And if your god is incomprehensible then you would not be able to describe him like you are.

Believe it or not but people find morality in things besides the idea of a child murdering dictator.

Is it not good and just to praise the admirable qualities and actions of other people? If so, why is the notion that the one being who has every admiral trait ad infinitum is also worthy of praise and even worship unreasonable? My position is that it's not only reasonable, morality and justice demand it. This sense of justice is a big part of the reason I'm a Christian. I cannot help but to desire to worship God, because that's just how wonderful God is.

Well for one you would have to have proof that there is a god first. Then you would have to prove that it is the god of Christianity. then you would have to prove that it is the god of Catholicism.

Also your god does not have every admiral trait and if he did then he would not want to be worshiped.

I've seen it too many times. No one believes in their own worthlessness. It's a faint of the anti-theist.

Lair.

Nihilism has reason behind it's view of the world, I do not agree with that reasoning but it is far more rational than yours.

You say nihilist do not exist because you want to project ulterior motives onto people in order to feed your persecution complex.

Not unless you're sociopathic.

Says the person who believes in and worships a deity that murders children.

It has been the central message of identity atheism as a movement. Embrace materialism and scientism or you're a backwards and potentially dangerous moron.

Atheism is not a movement.

You like to try to strawmen others because your own arguments are weak.

I doubt you want to learn anything, you just want to be validated in your beliefs so can feel better about yourself. And that kind of behavior makes me sick.

 

[TheTruthGivingDragon]

Obviously not.

How much more besides typing into the stupid box do you want me to do?