How is Sikhism different from Hinduism

[Metempsychosis]

Seems like he has an issue with me-dont know why though xxx

:angel2::angel2:

 

[Shishya]

:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...

I was'nt attacking anyones opinion or beliefs...nor was i enforcing my opinion onto anyone...

There is a difference in expressing an opinion and enforcing one's thoughts/beliefs!

I shall not be apart of your enforcement...this is my last post to this thread xxx

As other members have stated this is not a section where debate is permitted.

You are accussing me of "enforcing" and being rude. This is uncalled for because I wasnt.

 

[ZoyaHayat]

As other members have stated this is not a section where debate is permitted.

You are accussing me of "enforcing" and being rude. This is uncalled for because I wasnt.

I have actually had enough of your this abrupt behaviour...i really dont know what your issue is with me...i hardly know you nor have i said anything to hurt anyone...

I'm out...and nor was i debating-please think and read before you talk Shishya...

For Anti-Religion-byeeeeeeeeeeeeeee xxx

 

[GURSIKH]

Im late to the discussion, and theres plenty I havent read lol, but its my understanding that Sikhism is relatively pantheism/panentheism. I think its important to note that when Guru Nanak returned from his experience with God he is said to have said something like "There is no Muslim, there is no Hindu". It is my understanding that it was Guru Nanak's effort to unite the two with the understanding that there is indeed one God or reality (Ek Onkar) and that there is nothing that divides us.

Just my understanding

thanks for sharing your understanding with us :bow:

 

[DreadFish]

thanks for sharing your understanding with us :bow:

You are most welcome :highfive:

 

[GURSIKH]

In my opinion, Sikhism is pantheist. This is because Waheguru in the Mool Mantra is referred to as "Ik Oankar", meaning:

Ik- One
Oankar- Reality

Therefore it is describing Waheguru as the one reality, the universe. And pantheism is basically defined as God/Waheguru/etc. and the universe as the same. Therefore Sikh Dharma is Pantheist IMO.

thanks my FRND X for lovely Wise post ,

A shabad from SGGS related to nature of Waheguru ji as you described

ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ਘਰੁ ਦੂਜਾ ੨ ॥
Siree Raag, First Mehl, Second House:

ਆਪੇ ਰਸੀਆ ਆਪਿ ਰਸੁ ਆਪੇ ਰਾਵਣਹਾਰੁ ॥
He Himself is the Enjoyer, and He Himself is the Enjoyment. He Himself is the Ravisher of all.

ਆਪੇ ਹੋਵੈ ਚੋਲੜਾ ਆਪੇ ਸੇਜ ਭਤਾਰੁ ॥੧॥
He Himself is the Bride in her dress, He Himself is the Bridegroom on the bed. ||1||

ਰੰਗਿ ਰਤਾ ਮੇਰਾ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਰਵਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਭਰਪੂਰਿ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
My Lord and Master is imbued with love; He is totally permeating and pervading all. ||1||Pause||

ਆਪੇ ਮਾਛੀ ਮਛੁਲੀ ਆਪੇ ਪਾਣੀ ਜਾਲੁ ॥
He Himself is the fisherman and the fish; He Himself is the water and the net.

ਆਪੇ ਜਾਲ ਮਣਕੜਾ ਆਪੇ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਲਾਲੁ ॥੨॥
He Himself is the sinker, and He Himself is the bait. ||2||

ਆਪੇ ਬਹੁ ਬਿਧਿ ਰੰਗੁਲਾ ਸਖੀਏ ਮੇਰਾ ਲਾਲੁ ॥
He Himself loves in so many ways. O sister soul-brides, He is my Beloved.

ਨਿਤ ਰਵੈ ਸੋਹਾਗਣੀ ਦੇਖੁ ਹਮਾਰਾ ਹਾਲੁ ॥੩॥
He continually ravishes and enjoys the happy soul-brides; just look at the plight I am in without Him! ||3||

ਪ੍ਰਣਵੈ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਬੇਨਤੀ ਤੂ ਸਰਵਰੁ ਤੂ ਹੰਸੁ ॥
Prays Nanak, please hear my prayer: You are the pool, and You are the soul-swan.

ਕਉਲੁ ਤੂ ਹੈ ਕਵੀਆ ਤੂ ਹੈ ਆਪੇ ਵੇਖਿ ਵਿਗਸੁ ॥੪॥੨੫॥
You are the lotus flower of the day and You are the water-lily of the night. You Yourself behold them, and blossom forth in bliss. ||4||25||


IK ONKAAR SATNAM

 

[GURSIKH]

You are most welcome :highfive:

:kissbette

 

[SadhSangat]

What a beautiful shabad well describing how Sikhi is indeed Pantheistic

 

[Sikh]

What is the difference between Hinduism and Sikhism?

Sikhism is pure Vedic philosophy. Ik Onkar. One Truth, Truth is God. One becomes enlightened, walks towards Moksha, towards liberation of ignorance when one understands and accepts truth/God.

Hinduism believes that this striving for truth and learning about God and the nature of reality is only for the Brahmans. They have created many ritualized dharmas for the other casts, stock full of Gods and Goddesses etc. Sikhism and Buddhism before them, try to, albeit in their own ways, steer people, all people--rejecting castism, towards truthful enlightenment. OM, IK Onkar, Ik Omkara, these are the same truth.

I guess it comes down to a willingness to teach all who wish to be taught.

 

[zenzero]

Friends,

Personal understanding is that *hinduism* is a word or label came into usage mainly due to Alexander's inability to pronounce the word *sindhus*.
Humans living in this region since millenium are followers of *Sanatan Dharma* because *sanatan* means *eternal* and Dharma* means *laws* of existence.
Any method or way or path that enabled the individual to be in harmony/tune with the laws if existence are acceptable to sanatan dharma and in fact all possible paths are either covered or left open for future evolution to be covered under this.
Sikhism is another path of *bhakti* within the tradition.
The question of differences are never part of dharma but harmony/merging are for understanding and realization.

Love & rgds

 

[Onkara]

What is the difference between Hinduism and Sikhism?

Sikhism is pure Vedic philosophy. Ik Onkar. One Truth, Truth is God. One becomes enlightened, walks towards Moksha, towards liberation of ignorance when one understands and accepts truth/God.

Hinduism believes that this striving for truth and learning about God and the nature of reality is only for the Brahmans. They have created many ritualized dharmas for the other casts, stock full of Gods and Goddesses etc. Sikhism and Buddhism before them, try to, albeit in their own ways, steer people, all people--rejecting castism, towards truthful enlightenment. OM, IK Onkar, Ik Omkara, these are the same truth.

I guess it comes down to a willingness to teach all who wish to be taught.

Sat sri Akal Sikhji
I have not seen it explained before as you have, it is good! You probably speak from your experience so I do not debate you insight specifically.

I would like to add that for me Sanatana Dharma (Hinduism) offers me more flexibility and freedom than Sikhism (Khalsa SPGC) and that is the reason I call myself Sanatana Dharma specifically.

For me there are no Brahmans, caste prejudice or doubts of truthful enlightenment, probably because I walk alone. For this reason the difference is subjective and cultural and the negative aspects of Hindusim which you (perhaps correctly for your region) outline above are not shared by me.

I speak with utmost respect and affection for the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Sikhs. :yes:

 

[nameless]

Hinduism believes that this striving for truth and learning about God and the nature of reality is only for the Brahmans. They have created many ritualized dharmas for the other casts, stock full of Gods and Goddesses etc.

any supporting references or verses from scriptures?

 

[zenzero]

Friend Sikh,

Originally Posted by Sikh
Hinduism believes that this striving for truth and learning about God and the nature of reality is only for the Brahmans. They have created many ritualized dharmas for the other casts, stock full of Gods and Goddesses etc.

The part about *hinduism* has been explained in the earlier post.
Noe about *Brahmins*.
Kindly understand that the word *BRAHMIN* only means individuals having knowledge of the *BRAHMA* and all gurus are Brahmins or *buddhas* in another sense.
If Gurus point that gods and goddesses are only symbolic of every object in existence and that through worshiping these symbols one in turn is worshiping that IK Onkara then where is the fault with *Brahmins*?
The fault lies in the human system who divided society into castes and Brahmins bacame a category in it. Caste can never be on the basis of blood but only on the basis of a individual's profession or bent of mind and that too at best can only be symbolic and not perfect as none can understand an individual fully. An individual is not only what he does but what he thinks and what his past karma etc.
Only suggests that one should understand the meaning of every word properly before they are uttered as it is part of our own karma and when our karma hurts anyone/anything it is hurting IK ONKAR and is a barrier in our path to being one with IT.

Love & rgds

 

[chinu]

In the begaining every religion have same true teachings weather it is sikhism or hinuism or buddism etc.....
But the true teachings are moulded by the religious "Contractors" in order to fit their convinence afterwards,

95% of the wars which have been foughted on this earth are on the name of religions,
But! there is one intresting thing, that the begainers of any religion never foughted any war.

 

[Sikh]

Friend Sikh,


The part about *hinduism* has been explained in the earlier post.
Noe about *Brahmins*.
Kindly understand that the word *BRAHMIN* only means individuals having knowledge of the *BRAHMA* and all gurus are Brahmins or *buddhas* in another sense.
If Gurus point that gods and goddesses are only symbolic of every object in existence and that through worshiping these symbols one in turn is worshiping that IK Onkara then where is the fault with *Brahmins*?
The fault lies in the human system who divided society into castes and Brahmins bacame a category in it. Caste can never be on the basis of blood but only on the basis of a individual's profession or bent of mind and that too at best can only be symbolic and not perfect as none can understand an individual fully. An individual is not only what he does but what he thinks and what his past karma etc.
Only suggests that one should understand the meaning of every word properly before they are uttered as it is part of our own karma and when our karma hurts anyone/anything it is hurting IK ONKAR and is a barrier in our path to being one with IT.

Love & rgds

Saying it is a fault is subjective, I agree. The point we were discussing was where Sikh Dharma is at a cross road with Brahman Dharma. From the perspective of Sikhism, Brahmans are indulging those who don't want to learn. A person can be taught first aid because it is better than nothing and not everyone can become a surgeon--that is the reasoning behind so many Hindu rituals. Sikhs expect everyone to learn, no exceptions.
I tried explaining in another post on this forum, but I will try to be even clearer. Brahmans meditate to arrive at higher and higher levels of consciousness, until they finally arrive at the only consciousness that exists, Ik Onkar. Lord Siddhartha in his quest to stop the suffering of people around him came upon a flaw in Brahman thinking. Why do the Brahmans want to attain those levels of consciousness? Recognizing the human experience is nothing but an illusion should stop all attachment, the very fact that the Brahmans don't means they are still in samsara.
The problem Sikhs have with Lord Siddhartha's dharma is that he is confusing recognition of what causes suffering/ignorance/harm to oneself and those around oneself with rejecting being human, just as the Brahmans also reject their humanity in their quest for higher levels of consciousness. Recognizing IK Onkar one should simultaneously recognize ones humanity. One should recognize that it is human problems that we are trying to solve in our striving for truth, that is what Guru Nanak and the nine who came after him, preached. One cannot reject ones humanity and still escape samsara in the belief that it was ones humanity that was causing ignorance. Ignorance of the true reality, of God, of IK Onkar is what causes bad karma, not the act of being Human.

 

[Onkara]

Great points, Sikhji !
Forgive me for splitting hairs... are we sure to attribute this observation to Lord Siddhartha? My impression is that this observation is the product (or result) of "Self realisation" and does not belong to Lord Siddhartha specifically anymore than it belongs to Guru Nanak Ji or you or me or those who proceeded Lord Siddhartha and were fogotten in the march of time. I mention this because the seeker will seek Lord Siddhartha, where as you correctly point out, it comes from recognising Ik Onkar.

 

[zenzero]

Friend Sikh,

Brahma is the same as IK Onkar; should be well understood if not realised.
Each individual is nothing but a form of that consciousness / Brahma / Ik Onkar.
This coming into form and the whole journey back to the source of consciousness is termed MAYA / ILLUSION.
So this whole of *humanity* that you speak of is just an illusion.
Each human is in an unique time/space zone towards the journey back to source and so requires unique paths/ways and that is what SANATAN DHARMA is all about and all/any/no way/path/religion is a way and covered under SANATAN DHARMA including buddhism or sikhism.
Kindly broaden the horizon to place every aspect of dharma in its proper perspective to understand that everyone is right in their own way; all it requires is a proper understanding.

Love & rgds

 

[Sikh]

Great points, Sikhji !
Forgive me for splitting hairs... are we sure to attribute this observation to Lord Siddhartha? My impression is that this observation is the product (or result) of "Self realisation" and does not belong to Lord Siddhartha specifically anymore than it belongs to Guru Nanak Ji or you or me or those who proceeded Lord Siddhartha and were fogotten in the march of time. I mention this because the seeker will seek Lord Siddhartha, where as you correctly point out, it comes from recognising Ik Onkar.

An infinite time the Dancer will dance, yet never will the Dance be as real as the Dancer. I agree that it is not important who made the observation, as long as one arrives at it by their own efforts in honest contemplation.

 

[Sikh]

Friend Sikh,

Brahma is the same as IK Onkar; should be well understood if not realised.
Each individual is nothing but a form of that consciousness / Brahma / Ik Onkar.
This coming into form and the whole journey back to the source of consciousness is termed MAYA / ILLUSION.
So this whole of *humanity* that you speak of is just an illusion.
Each human is in an unique time/space zone towards the journey back to source and so requires unique paths/ways and that is what SANATAN DHARMA is all about and all/any/no way/path/religion is a way and covered under SANATAN DHARMA including buddhism or sikhism.
Kindly broaden the horizon to place every aspect of dharma in its proper perspective to understand that everyone is right in their own way; all it requires is a proper understanding.

Love & rgds

Brother, as a Sikh, I can tell you we don't view Brahma as IK Onkar. We believe that Brahma is part of samsara/illusion.
I will give you an analogy--A Dancer is Dancing and yet no matter how beautiful the dance may seem, only the Dancer is real. The dance is an illusion of beauty. We Sikhs believe that everything including Brahma is merely an ever changing dance. Our desire to maintain our egos is futile because the dance is ever changing, an effect of that is Karma/ignorance/suffering.
As for accepting every other Dharma/religion, we do accept them. All Dharmas are equal as long as their followers are sincere in following them. I'm pointing out the differences in Sikh DHarma vs Hindu Dharma.

 

[zenzero]

Friend sikh,

Thank you for your understanding.
Could you quote from guru granth where it states that BRAHMA & IK ONKAR are different???

Personal understand remains that they are mere labels of the same UNIVERSAL ENERGY!

Love & rgds