How many Biblical mistakes did Bernie Sanders make in his public attack on John 3

[whirlingmerc]

I see quite a few erroneous understandings of Bernie on his venting against John 3 recently. Do you see any others"

1) God loved the world so much that He gave his only Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. in John 3:16 Jesus goes on to explain all would perish being condemned but mercy shown to those who believe. All are condemned not some as Bernie claimed. There is no distinction "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God' All not merely Muslims. All is all mankind.

2) God offers mercy to all. The blessing goes to people of every tribe and lounge and nation. The soccer and call goes to all and every person.

3) The motive is love in the chapter not hate as Bernie asserts.

4) The offer of reconciliation is offered to all and there is a double blessing. The riches of the righteousness of God given and the sins of those who believed taken. Which is a redistribution of real righteousness wealth on an eternal scale.

5) It was Jesus explanation of his statement ion John 3:16 fleshed out in the following verses Bernie didn't like. Not an idea of Whenton College or a Trump appointee

6) Martin Luther King would agree with the more classical Christian view of John 3 on that matter and not consider Jesus words hateful, rather words extending love and reconciliation.
reconciliation

7) Jesus saying this said his intentions were not to judge the world as the judgement is loving the darkness instead of the light.


Isn't it sad that the whole squad of AOC et al endorse Bernies shenanigans saying effectively anyone believing and acting on John 3:16 is unfit for office or appointment to government?

 

[Politesse]

I notice that you do not bother to explain what remarks you are responding to or in what context they were made. Is there a reason for this?

 

[Guitar's Cry]

This is, what, the 3rd thread you've made in response to this?

 

[Twilight Hue]

I think there's a difference between touting individual belief and the administration of a political office .

I really don't care about religious politicians just as long as their policies are not influenced by their personal religious ideology.

 

[whirlingmerc]

I notice that you do not bother to explain what remarks you are responding to or in what context they were made. Is there a reason for this?

This was Bernie Sanders attack on John 3 during a confirmation hearing earlier this week.

 

[whirlingmerc]

This is, what, the 3rd thread you've made in response to this?

There are many aspects. I think Bernies Biblical illiteracy deserves its own thread.

 

[Politesse]

This was Bernie Sanders attack on John 3 during a confirmation hearing earlier this week.

Ah, so it was not, in fact, an "attack on John 3", but rather an attack on a Senate appointment he found dubious, which you personally feel to be in disagreement with the way John 3 is interpreted in your favorite hermeneutical doctrine.

**mod edit**

 

[sooda]

I see quite a few erroneous understandings of Bernie on his venting against John 3 recently. Do you see any others"

1) God loved the world so much that He gave his only Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. in John 3:16 Jesus goes on to explain all would perish being condemned but mercy shown to those who believe. All are condemned not some as Bernie claimed. There is no distinction "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God' All not merely Muslims. All is all mankind.

2) God offers mercy to all. The blessing goes to people of every tribe and lounge and nation. The soccer and call goes to all and every person.

3) The motive is love in the chapter not hate as Bernie asserts.

4) The offer of reconciliation is offered to all and there is a double blessing. The riches of the righteousness of God given and the sins of those who believed taken. Which is a redistribution of real righteousness wealth on an eternal scale.

5) It was Jesus explanation of his statement ion John 3:16 fleshed out in the following verses Bernie didn't like. Not an idea of Whenton College or a Trump appointee

6) Martin Luther King would agree with the more classical Christian view of John 3 on that matter and not consider Jesus words hateful, rather words extending love and reconciliation.
reconciliation

7) Jesus saying this said his intentions were not to judge the world as the judgement is loving the darkness instead of the light.


Isn't it sad that the whole squad of AOC et al endorse Bernies shenanigans saying effectively anyone believing and acting on John 3:16 is unfit for office or appointment to government?

Bernie is Jewish .. Why would he study John 3:16?

 

[Father Heathen]

Another dishonest representation. I thought baring false witness was a sin, @whirlingmerc ?

 

[Stanyon]

are all Christians liars, or just conservative Christians?

I'd guess they are probably no more or less prone to lying than anyone else claiming a religion or not.

 

[Windwalker]

I'd guess they are probably no more or less prone to lying than anyone else claiming a religion or not.

When someone is emotionally invested in defending a misguided belief under threat, yes lying to yourself and others is how one keeps from letting go and facing the truth. So, I think he has a good point about fundamentalists and intellectual dishonesty being higher among that type of Christian, than it is with those who have faced the truth and grown from it.

 

[sooda]

Another dishonest representation. I thought baring false witness was a sin, @whirlingmerc ?

If it isn't a sin, it should be.. Islam has severe punishments for bearing false witness,, perjury in particular.

 

[whirlingmerc]

Ah, so it was not, in fact, an "attack on John 3", but rather an attack on a Senate appointment he found dubious, which you personally feel to be in disagreement with the way John 3 is interpreted in your favorite hermeneutical doctrine.

**mod edit**

Actually it was. People not believing in 'the Son' stand condemned is directly from John 3:18 and part of a quotation of Jesus explaining John 3:16

It was neither the political appointee or Wheaton college but Jesus who originally said that.. but Bernie glossed over that.

 

[sooda]

Actually it was. People not believing in 'the Son' stand condemned is directly from John 3:18 and part of a quotation of Jesus explaining John 3:16

It was neither the political appointee or Wheaton college but Jesus who originally said that..

Bernie is Jewish.. WHY would he be studying John 3 at all?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Easy. There were none.

Isn't there a rule about opening multiple threads on the same topic? Were you not losing badly enough in the other threads?

 

[whirlingmerc]

Bernie is Jewish.. WHY would he be studying John 3 at all?

Because he effectively pontificated about anyone believing it should not be allowed to work for the government or hold office last week.

If he actually studied it beforehand it would have been helpful but Bernie would be more like an Atheist/Postmodernist/Jewish person and unconcerned and doesn't have time for actually understanding it

 

[whirlingmerc]

Easy. There were none.

Isn't there a rule about opening multiple threads on the same topic? Were you not losing badly enough in the other threads?

Different topics. This one is about Bernie's Biblical illiteracy.

But a good discussion of the subject is here
Bernie Sanders Decides That Being an Actual Christian Disqualifies You From Office (VIDEO)

"... As someone once said, ‘Truth ain’t mean, truth is just truth.” Vought’s statement is an imminently defensible statement of orthodox Christian belief through most of the time between the founding of Islam and the triumph of Western secularism in the 1960s. It is not “hateful” and I find it hard to believe that any observant Muslim is shocked to discover that there are fundamental differences between Islam and Christianity. Sanders is actually setting up a situation where you must deny the divinity of Christ and His salvific Grace in order to hold federal office....."

Sanders is actually setting up a situation where you must deny the divinity of Christ and His salvific Grace in order to hold federal office

And that's sad whether Sanders knows what he's doing or not.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Different topics. This one is about Bernie's Biblical illiteracy.

He is probably more literate than you. One thing that one needs to remember is that the fact that someone does not agree with you does not mean that he is illiterate in regards to the Bible. If anything the opposite appears to be true.

And if it is a different topic why did you use the same old failed claim of your other two threads?

Once again, Bernie did not attack the Bible at all. Nor did he make any errors.

 

[whirlingmerc]

Easy. There were none.

Isn't there a rule about opening multiple threads on the same topic? Were you not losing badly enough in the other threads?

Losing badly?

even Martin Luther King says people need a savior

"Christianity affirms that at the heart of reality is a Heart, a loving Father who works through history for the salvation of His children. Man cannot save himself, for man is not the measure of all things and humanity is not God. Bound by the chains of his own sin and finiteness, man needs a Savior."

Martin Luther King, Jr.

"Every crisis has both its dangers and its opportunities. Each can spell either salvation or doom."

Martin Luther King, Jr.


in other words God gave his Son so that THEY WOULD NOT PERISH BUT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE... salvation or doom

 

[Subduction Zone]

I see quite a few erroneous understandings of Bernie on his venting against John 3 recently. Do you see any others"

1) God loved the world so much that He gave his only Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. in John 3:16 Jesus goes on to explain all would perish being condemned but mercy shown to those who believe. All are condemned not some as Bernie claimed. There is no distinction "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God' All not merely Muslims. All is all mankind.

If you allege that Bernie claimed anything you are going to need to quote directly from him with links to a reliable sources. You probably forgot how badly you failed in your other threads since far too often he was not guilty of the wrongs that you accused him of..

2) God offers mercy to all. The blessing goes to people of every tribe and lounge and nation. The soccer and call goes to all and every person.

"soccer"? So I assume that would say "football" in Europe. I did not know that God was a sports fan.

3) The motive is love in the chapter not hate as Bernie asserts.

Again, where did he do that? I remember him not happy with the hate of a particular Christian. Once again, quotes and links to a reliable source.

4) The offer of reconciliation is offered to all and there is a double blessing. The riches of the righteousness of God given and the sins of those who believed taken. Which is a redistribution of real righteousness wealth on an eternal scale.

5) It was Jesus explanation of his statement ion John 3:16 fleshed out in the following verses Bernie didn't like. Not an idea of Whenton College or a Trump appointee

6) Martin Luther King would agree with the more classical Christian view of John 3 on that matter and not consider Jesus words hateful, rather words extending love and reconciliation.
reconciliation

7) Jesus saying this said his intentions were not to judge the world as the judgement is loving the darkness instead of the light.


Isn't it sad that the whole squad of AOC et al endorse Bernies shenanigans saying effectively anyone believing and acting on John 3:16 is unfit for office or appointment to government?

Hmm, more of the same. It looks like you have built quite the strawman.