How many Theists are Atheists too?

[stvdv]

How many Theists are Atheists too?

Definition Atheism: Lack of belief in any God

As per this definition I am an Atheist. I know that God exists

Note 1: Speak for yourself, try not to generalize or speak for others - let's leave that to ***
Note 2: Use your own words, not copy/paste verses from Bible or other Scriptures
Note 3: In this thread there is no need to prove to others IF you speak for yourself
Note 4: Speaking for yourself: I believe, I feel, I know, I think and IMHO, IMO etc

 

[Sirona]

I think this is muddling the difference between theist and atheist

Also belief is a strange word. I can "believe" a God exists without trusting him, so the first quality is more "rational" and the second one more "emotion-based".

 

[Unveiled Artist]

How many Theists are Atheists too?

Definition Atheism: Lack of belief in any God

As per this definition I am an Atheist. I know that God exists

Note 1: Speak for yourself, try not to generalize or speak for others - let's leave that to ***
Note 2: Use your own words, not copy/paste verses from Bible or other Scriptures
Note 3: In this thread there is no need to prove to others IF you speak for yourself
Note 4: Speaking for yourself: I believe, I feel, I know, I think and IMHO, IMO etc

I don't understand. "I believe God does not exist (and) I know God exists?"

So god exists because you know it's true not because you believe it's true?

I know God does not exist. I can say I believe he doesn't, but after catagorizing everything I known as reality all my life, I have no reason to say believe. Unless something changes my view of reality, gods (deities) don't exist. So I can't be both.

 

[Sirona]

Nay-Theist - TV Tropes

A fictional example but an interesting one.

 

[stvdv]

Also belief is a strange word

Yes. I agree, belief is indeed a strange word, hence I like Atheism "lack of belief". And I also like Theism "abundance of knowing"

 

[Polymath257]

Since knowledge is 'justified true belief' (at least to a good first approximation), if you *know* something, you also have a *belief*.

 

[Gargovic Malkav]

How many Theists are Atheists too?

Definition Atheism: Lack of belief in any God

As per this definition I am an Atheist. I know that God exists

Note 1: Speak for yourself, try not to generalize or speak for others - let's leave that to ***
Note 2: Use your own words, not copy/paste verses from Bible or other Scriptures
Note 3: In this thread there is no need to prove to others IF you speak for yourself
Note 4: Speaking for yourself: I believe, I feel, I know, I think and IMHO, IMO etc

Don't you need to believe something first before you can say you know it?

 

[QuestioningMind]

How many Theists are Atheists too?

Definition Atheism: Lack of belief in any God

As per this definition I am an Atheist. I know that God exists

Note 1: Speak for yourself, try not to generalize or speak for others - let's leave that to ***
Note 2: Use your own words, not copy/paste verses from Bible or other Scriptures
Note 3: In this thread there is no need to prove to others IF you speak for yourself
Note 4: Speaking for yourself: I believe, I feel, I know, I think and IMHO, IMO etc

If you KNOW that something is true then you certainly don't LACK a belief in that something. You not ONLY believe it, you KNOW it as well.

That said, strictly speaking virtually all theists are atheists when it comes to one god or another... unless of course you claim to believe is ALL proposed gods.

 

[stvdv]

Nay-Theist - TV Tropes

A fictional example but an interesting one.

My Master told me "I don't want you to touch my feet; why you worship Me?"

 

[ChristineM]

How many Theists are Atheists too?

Definition Atheism: Lack of belief in any God

As per this definition I am an Atheist. I know that God exists

Note 1: Speak for yourself, try not to generalize or speak for others - let's leave that to ***
Note 2: Use your own words, not copy/paste verses from Bible or other Scriptures
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Note 4: Speaking for yourself: I believe, I feel, I know, I think and IMHO, IMO etc

Some years ago i came across a website for clergy who don't believe in god so just had a search to find it again

Sorry. I cannot find it with a quick look but there are lots of sites and articles like this
Survey finds 2 per cent of Anglican priests are not believers

 

[stvdv]

Some years ago i came across a website for clergy who don't believe in god so just had a search to find it again

Sorry. I cannot find it with a quick look but there are lots of sites and articles like this
Survey finds 2 per cent of Anglican priests are not believers

Yes, we have that also in Holland (I google translated the first part; it's in Dutch)

Klaas Hendrikse, the atheist pastor, has passed away. Hendrikse (70) gained fame when twelve years ago - he was a minister in Zierikzee and Middelburg - he said in an interview with this newspaper that he is an atheist. "I believe there is no such thing as God, I am an atheist, and I am a pastor because I believe in God. So I believe in a God who does not exist. "God only exists in us humans, says Hendrikse.

 

[ecco]

Some threads are just plain dumb.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

How many Theists are Atheists too?

Definition Atheism: Lack of belief in any God

As per this definition I am an Atheist. I know that God exists

Note 1: Speak for yourself, try not to generalize or speak for others - let's leave that to ***
Note 2: Use your own words, not copy/paste verses from Bible or other Scriptures
Note 3: In this thread there is no need to prove to others IF you speak for yourself
Note 4: Speaking for yourself: I know, I think, I feel, IMHO, IMO etc

I know nothing, since I am a skeptic and don't believe in justified true beliefs; i.e. knowledge in the classical sense.

I believe in beliefs, which appear to work for me. But i don't believe in justification nor truth.

 

[Brickjectivity]

How many Theists are Atheists too?

Definition Atheism: Lack of belief in any God

As per this definition I am an Atheist. I know that God exists

Note 1: Speak for yourself, try not to generalize or speak for others - let's leave that to ***
Note 2: Use your own words, not copy/paste verses from Bible or other Scriptures
Note 3: In this thread there is no need to prove to others IF you speak for yourself
Note 4: Speaking for yourself: I believe, I feel, I know, I think and IMHO, IMO etc

It is a too definition laden to have meaning in an interfaith environment. The experience of knowing but not believing does not compute on this end of the telephone.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yes. I agree, belief is indeed a strange word, hence I like Atheism "lack of belief". And I also like Theism "abundance of knowing"

Theism-abundance of knowing??

I don't know about other languages, but theism tends to be the root word. So, if atheist is disbelief in gods, the root word would be belief.

How did knowing figure in?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

How many Theists are Atheists too?

Definition Atheism: Lack of belief in any God

As per this definition I am an Atheist. I know that God exists

Knowledge is a subset of belief.

 

[stvdv]

Some threads are just plain dumb.

Quite a claim you made

 

[stvdv]

I know nothing

Some might say "God means nothing"
Then we have something in common

 

[stvdv]

Theism-abundance of knowing??

I don't know about other languages, but theism tends to be the root word. So, if atheist is disbelief in gods, the root word would be belief.

How did knowing figure in?

Start is belief, end is knowing. "Belief" implies "not knowing (yet)".
IF Theism is "belief in God" AND "God does not exist" would make not much sense
IF Theism is "belief in God" AND "God exists" THEN natural "knowing is important in Theism"

 

[Nakosis]

How many Theists are Atheists too?

Definition Atheism: Lack of belief in any God

As per this definition I am an Atheist. I know that God exists

Note 1: Speak for yourself, try not to generalize or speak for others - let's leave that to ***
Note 2: Use your own words, not copy/paste verses from Bible or other Scriptures
Note 3: In this thread there is no need to prove to others IF you speak for yourself
Note 4: Speaking for yourself: I believe, I feel, I know, I think and IMHO, IMO etc

Knowledge is belief that has been validated. It has been shown to be reliable and consistent.

I think all knowledge has some basis in belief. So if I say I have no knowledge of a god, that means there is nothing known about a God I believe to be reliable and consistent.

For me this is what atheism is about. Accepting that there is nothing known about a god that is reliable or consistent. So I lack a belief that there exists any reliable knowledge about a god.