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Knowledge is a subset of belief.
I agree here. Knowledge is a subset of belief (don't jump to conclusions too fast though)
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Knowledge is a subset of belief.
Knowledge is belief that has been validated. It has been shown to be reliable and consistent.
I think all knowledge has some basis in belief. So if I say I have no knowledge of a god, that means there is nothing known about a God I believe to be reliable and consistent.
For me this is what atheism is about. Accepting that there is nothing known about a god that is reliable or consistent. So I lack a belief that there exists any reliable knowledge about a god.
In the end all justification of reliable knowledge about the world as separate from the mind is not possible as all versions of justified true beliefs as knowledge run into Agrippa's Trilemma and Descartes's evil demon.
So the idea of some non-religious people that they have knowledge is in effect no different that some religious people. They both claim a knowledge, that apparently is not there.
In modern terms your knowledge would be the same regardless if you are a normal universe or in some versions of a Boltzmann Brain universe and you have no way of knowing if it is the one or the other.
Start is belief, end is knowing. "Belief" implies "not knowing (yet)".
IF Theism is "belief in God" AND "God does not exist" would make not much sense
IF Theism is "belief in God" AND "God exists" THEN natural "knowing is important in Theism"
Nice typo "go gods"It used to be that atheist did not mean belief in go gods but belief in personable, intervening gods
It does get a bit complex with all different terminology. And changing definitions. Almost like Babylon. But also nice that there is something for all.intervening gods (which is what theism was. A type of god belief, not belief in any god). It was equivocal to deism.
Why do some theist say they believe, but evangelize or talk of god as if they know?
Why do some theist say they believe, but evangelize or talk of god as if they know?
Start is belief, end is knowing. "Belief" implies "not knowing (yet)".
IF Theism is "belief in God" AND "God does not exist" would make not much sense
IF Theism is "belief in God" AND "God exists" THEN natural "knowing is important in Theism"
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I agree here. Knowledge is a subset of belief (don't jump to conclusions to fast though)
I explained it already before in below quote
Most of them!How many Theists are Atheists too?
No. t's time to sort out the dictionaries on that one.Definition Atheism: Lack of belief in any God
Me too......As per this definition I am an Atheist. I know that God exists
Speaking for myself I believe that everything is part of the Deity, but a Deity so vast that it is quite unaware of us, ergo, it is not an involved God, and Theism is about involved, aware Gods.
Note 1: Speak for yourself, try not to generalize or speak for others - let's leave that to ***
Note 2: Use your own words, not copy/paste verses from Bible or other Scriptures
Note 3: In this thread there is no need to prove to others IF you speak for yourself
Note 4: Speaking for yourself: I believe, I feel, I know, I think and IMHO, IMO etc
Not easy with all the denominations. I guess Deism has relatively few denominations?No. t's time to sort out the dictionaries on that one.
Deists are non-theists, even atheists, but they do believe in a Deity, a God, just not an involved God.
How many Theists are Atheists too?
Most of them!
As per this definition I am an Atheist. I know that God exists
Me too......
Speaking for myself I believe that everything is part of the Deity, but a Deity so vast that it is quite unaware of us, ergo, it is not an involved God, and Theism is about involved, aware Gods.
You never have studied "under" a Real Spiritual Master it seems to me. I met a few Masters in real life, and they were anything but thatSome children may have been told not to "add for themselves" but accept (or believe) what their teacher says.
I worked a little too hard this week and ended up with a cold. So I'm RFing with my phone from bed. Not the best way to type long sentences. Lol.Nice typo "go gods"
Part of loving language is the understanding that it's a dynamic, evolving system and that while two people can agree on the definition of a term, trying to say one definition is immutably true is foolhardy. Nobody controls definitions. If no common ground can yet be found, take a page from the improv peeps and 'yes, and' to another approach to common ground.It does get a bit complex with all different terminology. And changing definitions. Almost like Babylon. But also nice that there is something for all.
You never have studied "under" a Real Spiritual Master it seems to me. I met a few Masters in real life, and they were anything but that
How many Theists are Atheists too?
Definition Atheism: Lack of belief in any God
As per this definition I am an Atheist. I know that God exists
Note 1: Speak for yourself, try not to generalize or speak for others - let's leave that to ***
Note 2: Use your own words, not copy/paste verses from Bible or other Scriptures
Note 3: In this thread there is no need to prove to others IF you speak for yourself
Note 4: Speaking for yourself: I believe, I feel, I know, I think and IMHO, IMO etc
How many Theists are Atheists too?
Definition Atheism: Lack of belief in any God
As per this definition I am an Atheist. I know that God exists
Note 1: Speak for yourself, try not to generalize or speak for others - let's leave that to ***
Note 2: Use your own words, not copy/paste verses from Bible or other Scriptures
Note 3: In this thread there is no need to prove to others IF you speak for yourself
Note 4: Speaking for yourself: I believe, I feel, I know, I think and IMHO, IMO etc