How Quickly Religious Myths Can Appear. Why Is This Not Possible About Jesus?

[paarsurrey]

It's so wonderful that we have the Holy Spirit to teach us all things and to get us back to true Christianity.

You can create any "myth" and ascribe to "Holy Spirit". Right, please?

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[paarsurrey]

I provided the definition of true. But anyone can make whatever they want up and call it true. The only people they deceive is themselves.


Talking of definitions, here is another
Mythology : a collection of myths, especially one belonging to a particular religious or cultural tradition.

"But anyone can make whatever they want up and call it true. The only people they deceive is themselves."

I agree with one.

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[paarsurrey]

It is possible, that's the thing.


You can have a running myth in mere weeks after somebody's death if the person existed. Come to think of it. If they didn't exist, it's possible.

Christianity isn't anything special that it would be an exemption in any way.

"Christianity isn't anything special that it would be an exemption in any way."

I agree with one here.
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[Goodman John]

"But anyone can make whatever they want up and call it true. The only people they deceive is themselves."

I agree with one.

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"I reject your reality and replace it with my own!"

 

[ChristineM]

Belief may not be fact. But it can be. Remember: I’m not talking about unfounded belief; I’m talking about how a person makes meaning of life, and expresses that meaning. The meaning we make includes the facts we gather about the world and about ourselves. Truth (Gr. Aletheia, Lat. Veritable) That which accords with reality or is genuine. Truthfulness (Lat. Veracitas) That which conveys the truth. Ethically, it is the virtue of conveying one’s thoughts accurately and in ways appropriate to one’s circumstances.

Our truth is what is genuine about us. It really has little to do with quantifiable fact, other than the proviso outlined in the definition, “that which accords with reality.” If I understand the world in divine terms, that’s something that is genuine about me; that is my truth. That doesn’t mean that I get to impose that truth on others, because that may not be their truth. In that manner, truth is relative, not absolute.

I don’t make statements about my faith or beliefs that are absolute, because I understand those to be largely metaphoric or allegorical. IOW, I don’t conflate scientific fact about the origins of the universe with the ways in which I choose to make meaning of creation. Does that help?

As you are keen on saying, they are not the same

Yes the bible, is unfounded belief sans evidence to confirm any of the major players even existed. But the bible says they did so there is belief.

Your version of truth works for you in the definition that belief is truth.

As i said earlier, such a definition weakens the idea of fact
It is not my version of of truth, i need fact and not mythology to satisfy my mind

 

[ChristineM]

You mean they build yet another myth. Right, please?

Regards

I wrote what i mean

 

[1213]

Things don't need to be true to be useful.

How it was useful?

 

[Kenny]

"eliminated the myths and came up with those that were known to be true."

What was the basis to discern "true" from the "myth" and who authorized to do it, please?

Regards

People who were in relationship and new the Apostles.

 

[Kenny]

You can create any "myth" and ascribe to "Holy Spirit". Right, please?

Regards

Sure... people do that all the time. And then, on the other side of the coin, you have those things that the Holy Spirit birthed that people can call them myths

 

[paarsurrey]

People who were in relationship and new the Apostles.

In relationship with whom? And Jesus did not appoint/authorize any new Apostles. Right, please?

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[paarsurrey]

What? That's blasphemous.

How could one say that, please?

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[paarsurrey]

I have provided dictionary definitions. So methinks the hating is coming from you.

What about jesus? The evidence is just as strong that he was a fourth philosophy zealot, possibly even a sicarii. Hence the reason he was executed by rome.

Also the evidence is stronger still that he was the illegitimate son of a roman soldier. I have seen his dads gravestone.

Myth... Right..

"I have seen his dads gravestone"

How do you know that Jesus "was son of a roman soldier"?

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[paarsurrey]

I believe the difference is that the NT writers had the Spirit of truth to assist them and keep them from writing myths.

How does one say that it was a "Spirit of truth" rather than the Spirit of untruth who helped? Kindly give one's evidences/proofs to support one's view-point to take one seriously, please. Right, please?

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[paarsurrey]

I believe your assurance is based on a personal bias instead of reality.

And how one's/your communication is of reality, please?

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[paarsurrey]

I think more interesting question is, how fast “myths” disappear. If Jesus would really be just a myth, I don’t see why it would have lasted about 2000 years.

Jesus was not a myth, but Paul, and his associates, adopted a Pagan-Christ and presented its mythical figure as Jesus son of Mary. Wasn't Paul's Jesus a mythical one, please?

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[sojourner]

Yes the bible, is unfounded belief sans evidence to confirm any of the major players even existed. But the bible says they did so there is belief.

As far as I'm aware, books don't have beliefs. Therefore, the bible is not "unfounded belief." It doesn't matter whether the "major players" existed in fact, because the bible isn't that type of literature. It's largely mythic, as I've pointed out several times. I certainly don't need the characters to have existed in fact in order for the myths to convey truth to me.

Are you saying you've never been moved by a work of fiction, or the lyrics to a song, even though the characters and situations do not exist in fact? If so, it must be a fairly two dimensional existence for you. But your avatar suggests otherwise. The picture means something to you, even though it's not your skull. The bible moves people -- stirs something within them. Are you saying that that stirring is fake because the stories and poetry aren't factual? If so, then why the Louvre? Why Carnegie Hall? Why spend money on music and art?

 

[paarsurrey]

Because it was adopted by the Roman Empire in the 4th century.

and also there exist many myths in the world older (many thousand years) than the "Pagan-Chris"t or "Paul's-Jesus". Right, please?

Regards

 

[sojourner]

In relationship with whom? And Jesus did not appoint/authorize any new Apostles. Right, please?

Regards

Since his original 12 constituted the leadership of the assembly, which is his Body, then Christ does whatever the church does. The church calls successors to the apostles, therefore Christ calls successors to the apostles.

 

[paarsurrey]

But, one might very well ask, just what IS this 'true Christianity'? Is it my brand of Christianity or is it yours? Is it the Christianity of Rome or the Christianity of Martin Luther? Is it the Christianity of the Baptists or the Christianity of the Holy Roller Pentecostal Church of the Rock?

It is a good question.
And "There is no true Christian" these-days. Right, please?

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

My assurance is based on actually reading the bible and finding most in there to being mythology.

I agree with one here.
I have also read the Bible from cover to cover and my opinion is also the same that Jesus of Pauline Bible is mythical Pagan-Christ and is not Jesus son of Mary, a Jewish person. Right, please?

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