How Radical Republicans Plan to Destroy America?

[Revoltingest]

Regardless of what happened, the economy still went into the crapper, and our economic mess right now isn't due to 9/11.

Fascinating....9/11 has nothing to do with it, eh? What business were you in back in 2001?

So, then, by your thinking Clinton behaves like a republican regarding spending and taxation? You can't have it both ways. W was a republican. He acted like a republican, and we see what happened. You claimed he followed democratic economic theories and that's what caused problems. That's untrue.

Are you deliberately missing the point by inventing these fanciful misinterpretations of what I said?

 

[Magic Man]

Fascinating....9/11 has nothing to do with it, eh? What business were you in back in 2001?

I'll repeat. Our economic mess right now is not due to 9/11, no matter ho much you want it to be.

Are you deliberately missing the point by inventing these fanciful misinterpretations of what I said?

There's no misinterpretation about it. You said "The Republicans should have never aped the Democrats ruinous economic theory". Yet the democrats "ruinous economic theory" gave us a pretty good economy during Clinton's years, and we didn't even have to increase the national debt very much. Yet during W's years the economy turned to crap. By your logic, Clinton then was not using the democrats' "ruinous" economic theory, while W was. That would then make Clinton a republican and W a democrat. Good luck trying to argue that.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'll repeat. Our economic mess right now is not due to 9/11, no matter ho much you want it to be.

Your illusions about my wants are wrong. Unlike you, I have no love for either Clinton or Dubya. I saw what I
saw in the business world when the towers fell. You wouldn't know, having not been in business at the time.
Were I you, I'd seek treatment for BDS.

 

[Magic Man]

Your illusions about my wants are wrong. Unlike you, I have no love for either Clinton or Dubya. I saw what I
saw in the business world when the towers fell. You wouldn't know, having not been in business at the time.

First, I have no particular love for Clinton, but way to do exactly what you accuse me of. Hypocrisy is a wonderful thing.

Second, there's only one reason for you to attribute our economic situation to 9/11, and that's your desire for it to be so. If not, you'd attribute it mostly to the housing crisis. Although, I guess you'll probably just say that was due to 9/11, too. In fact, I bet the recent oil spill was due to 9/11, too, wasn't it?

Third, again, you should probably not assume what I was doing during 9/11. It only makes you sound like an idiot because your assumptions are wrong.

Were I you, I'd seek treatment for BDS.

Were I you, I'd seek treatment for dementia.

 

[Kathryn]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kathryn
but all the while his plan was to allow the tax cuts to expire, which in effect raises taxes on nearly EVERYONE.

How does that raise taxes on everyone?

Thank you for the opportunity to illustrate:

how-the-expiring-bush-tax-cuts-affect-you: Personal Finance News from Yahoo! Finance

Higher Tax Rates for All

You may have been led to believe that only individuals in the top two brackets will face higher federal income taxes when the Bush cuts go bye-bye. Not true! Unless Congress takes action and President Obama goes along, rates will go up for everyone -- not just a sliver of the wealthiest Americans.

The current six rate brackets of 10%, 15%, 25%, 28%, 33% and 35% will be replaced by five new brackets with the higher rates of 15%, 28%, 31%, 36% and 39.6%. Just a few months ago, it seemed like a safe bet that Congress would make a fix to keep the existing 10%, 15%, 25% and 28% rate brackets to help out lower and middle-income folks. That bet is now looking iffy.

Higher Capital Gains and Dividends Taxes for All

Right now, the maximum federal rate on long-term capital gains and dividends is only 15%. Starting next year, the maximum rate on long-term gains will increase to 20%. The maximum rate on dividends will skyrocket to 39.6% unless action is taken to limit the rate to 20%, as the president has repeatedly promised. Plan on 39.6%, and hope I'm wrong.

Right now, an unbeatable 0% rate applies to long-term gains and dividends collected by folks in lowest two rate brackets of 10% and 15%. Starting next year, those folks will pay 10% on long-term gains and 15% and 28% on dividends (compared with 0% now) unless a change is made. Otherwise, taxes on long-term gains and dividends will go up for everyone.

Return of the Marriage Penalty

Right now, the standard deduction for married joint-filing couples is double the amount for singles. For this, we can thank the Bush tax cuts, which included several provisions to ease the so-called marriage penalty. The penalty can force a married couple to pay more in taxes than when they were single. Starting next year, the joint-filer standard deduction will fall back to about 167% of the amount for singles unless Congress takes action and the president approves. We don't know if that will happen. If not, lots of lower and middle-income couples will face higher tax bills.
Now, the bottom two tax brackets for married joint-filing couples are exactly twice as wide as those for singles. That ratio helps keep the marriage penalty from biting lower- and middle-income couples. Starting next year, the joint-filer tax brackets will contract, causing higher tax bills, unless a change is made.

Return of Phase-Out Rule for Itemized Deductions

Before the Bush tax cuts, a nasty phase-out rule could eliminate up to 80% of a higher-income individual's itemized deductions for mortgage interest, state and local taxes, and charitable donations. The rule was gradually eased and finally eliminated this year. Next year, it will be back in full force unless Congress takes action -- which is unlikely. So if you itemize and have adjusted gross income above about $170,000 ($85,000 if you use married filing separate status), be ready for this phase-out rule to take a toll.

The Bottom Line

The Bush tax cuts don't just offer tax relief to the wealthiest Americans. They offer it to just about anyone who pays federal income taxes. Their scheduled demise next year will raise the tax bill of nearly every taxpayer, unless Congress makes changes and the president jumps on board.

 

[Revoltingest]

Third, again, you should probably not assume what I was doing during 9/11. It only makes you sound like an idiot because your assumptions are wrong.

Are you implying that you were actually gainfully employed in the business world during 2001, or merely feigning relevant experience?

Were I you, I'd seek treatment for dementia.

Isn't it rather high schoolish to just repeat my taunt? Come on, let's see some snappier repartee there, youngling.

 

[Magic Man]

Are you implying that you were actually gainfully employed in the business world during 2001, or merely feigning relevant experience?

I wasn't implying anything. I'm flat out saying I was gainfully employed. That's why it might be best for you to stop making assumptions.

Isn't it rather high schoolish to just repeat my taunt? Come on, let's see some snappier repartee there, youngling.

Isn't it rather high-schoolish to give a taunt like yours in the first place? You want to present yourself as some wise sage because you're old, but then you do childish stuff like this.

 

[Revoltingest]

I wasn't implying anything. I'm flat out saying I was gainfully employed. That's why it might be best for you to stop making assumptions.

I assume that you were doing nothing in the wold of business during 2001, since not only do you refuse to say what you were doing...
....except that you were vaguely doing something...but you betray a complete lack of knowledge of what happened to businesses when
the towers fell. My guess is that you were just in school (studying something non-technical & non-business) & perhaps had some part-time
job involving supersizing drinks or sanitizing sinks. You ought not so obviously pretend more knowledge & experience than you actually have.
So when you bluff & bluster this way, please forgive me if I make the assumption that you're a poser. I'm just trying to help you get over yourself.
(No need to thank me, for I live to serve others.)

Those of us who dealt with start-up companies saw venture capital dry up & companies stop expanding after 9/11. It was the beginning
of the commercial real estate crash, particularly for industrial & flex-space. For you to say it was irrelevant is simply blind hubris.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

*smokes a Cuban*

When the Republicans finish cannabalizing their own, they will come after the rest of us with furry vingance.

When we go to war against Iran and South Korea at the same time, the effort will be lead by a radical warmongering Republican crowd, and our ecomony will really collapse.

 

[Magic Man]

I assume that you were doing nothing in the wold of business during 2001, since not only do you refuse to say what you were doing...
....except that you were vaguely doing something...but you betray a complete lack of knowledge of what happened to businesses when
the towers fell. My guess is that you were just in school (studying something non-technical & non-business) & perhaps had some part-time
job involving supersizing drinks or sanitizing sinks. You ought not so obviously pretend more knowledge & experience than you actually have.
So when you bluff & bluster this way, please forgive me if I make the assumption that you're a poser. I'm just trying to help you get over yourself.
(No need to thank me, for I live to serve others.)

So, again, you should probably stop making assumptions. You're now only making yourself look even worse, but, by all means, keep going. I don't need to divulge the entire details of my life to you. The fact is whatever impact 9/11 had on businesses didn't cause the economic crisis we are in now. If it had, then we'd have seen the situation actually worsen in less than 7 years.

Those of us who dealt with start-up companies saw venture capital dry up & companies stop expanding after 9/11. It was the beginning
of the commercial real estate crash, particularly for industrial & flex-space. For you to say it was irrelevant is simply blind hubris.

It's irrelevant in that it didn't cause the recession. Could it have factored in a little bit? Sure. If someone doesn't get their work done on time sometimes, and then cusses out the boss and throws a computer out the window, and then gets fired, I'd say the latter two actions were what caused the firing, even if the first one had a little something to do with it. And you should really not accuse others of hubris, especially after your little foot-stomping tirade above.

 

[Magic Man]

Thank you for the opportunity to illustrate:

Thanks for the info. I'll have to read up on this.

 

[Revoltingest]

.....I don't need to divulge the entire details of my life to you.....

Hmmmm....how convenient. You argue with such authority, pronouncing who is right & who is utterly wrong in mere matters of opinion.
Yet you hide all information about your brief but illustrious career in something or other.

....after your little foot-stomping tirade above.

Tsk, tsk....such are the thanks I get for trying to help you overcome your
affliction & join the adults in conversation. I didn't mean to give you an mballism. Oh well, such is my cross to bear.

 

[Magic Man]

Hmmmm....how convenient. You argue with such authority, pronouncing who is right & who is utterly wrong in mere matters of opinion.
Yet you hide all information about your brief but illustrious career in something or other.

I'm not hiding anything. You didn't ask, and I didn't offer. That info has never been relevant to the topic. The only thing that's relevant is that I was in the workforce at that time. You just chose to jump all over me for not saying where I worked or what I did despite the fact that you never asked and it was never something that needed to be given, so that you could try to paint me in a bad light.

Tsk, tsk....such are the thanks I get for trying to help you overcome your
affliction & join the adults in conversation. I didn't mean to give you an mballism. Oh well, such is my cross to bear.

Where are the adults? I'd love to join that thread. I'd certainly fit in much better there than with you and Kathryn.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm not hiding anything. You didn't ask, and I didn't offer. That info has never been relevant to the topic. The only thing that's relevant is that I was in the workforce at that time.

I did ask you. See post #81. Reading comprehension issues again, youngling?

Where are the adults?

Few of us are willing to put up with you. I'm performing my community service by coaching you to enter adulthood.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Rep. Weiner blasts GOP foes of 9/11 workers’ health fund - Yahoo! News
I think Republicans will destroy America. When "raising taxes" is a concern for giving money for health care to the people who had their health ruined because they were rescuing people from the world trade towers, it's a horrible concern. But when "raising taxes" actually means closing tax loopholes that allows corporations to dodge paying taxes, then you are indeed a very vile and wretched person. I don't blame Rep. Weiner for going off like he did. I probably would have done the same thing.

 

[Revoltingest]

Rep. Weiner blasts GOP foes of 9/11 workers’ health fund - Yahoo! News
I think Republicans will destroy America. When "raising taxes" is a concern for giving money for health care to the people who had their health ruined because they were rescuing people from the world trade towers, it's a horrible concern. But when "raising taxes" actually means closing tax loopholes that allows corporations to dodge paying taxes, then you are indeed a very vile and wretched person.

You lefties don't sound much different from the birthers....just yelling from the other side of the aisle.
As the captain of the boat gleefully sails over the waterfall, just keep blaming the former captain's crew.

 

[Magic Man]

I did ask you. See post #81. Reading comprehension issues again, youngling?

No, old man. I took that for a rhetorical question, seeing as how it had no relevance to anything under the sun. However, you did ask, so that part of my post was wrong.

Few of us are willing to put up with you.

Is that why I have so many conversations on here? Don't kid yourself.

I'm performing my community service by coaching you to enter adulthood.

Oh, yes, let me get "coached into adulthood" by the guy offering petty, childish insults when someone dares to call him out on his simplistic, childish opinions on politics. What a great idea. No, thanks. I'll stick with the adulthood I have already attained, which includes reason, rationality and maturity. Any time you want some pointers on being a better adult, I'll be around to help out.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, old man. I took that for a rhetorical question, seeing as how it had no relevance to anything under the sun. However, you did ask, so that part of my post was wrong.

So the question I never asked is now a rhetorical question, eh? (It wasn't, newbie.)
How convenient that you just can't come up with a basis for you eminent authority.

Is that why I have so many conversations on here? Don't kid yourself.

You call those "conversations"? They look more like pontification.

Oh, yes, let me get "coached into adulthood" by the guy offering petty....

Such ingratitude.....whatever will come of this younger generation.

 

[Magic Man]

So the question I never asked is now a rhetorical question, eh? (It wasn't, newbie.)

I said I took it as one, since the answer had nothing to do with anything. (It wasn't, oldie)

How convenient that you just can't come up with a basis for you eminent authority.

Are you just trying to see how many irrelevant comments you can post?

You call those "conversations"? They look more like pontification.

Coming from you, that means about as much as what my dog did in the yard this morning.

Such ingratitude.....whatever will come of this younger generation.

If you're representative of the older generation, the younger one can't be any worse.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

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