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How Radical Republicans Plan to Destroy America?

Engyo

Prince of Dorkness!
The silence is deafening! Gasp - wait - Obama promised us we wouldn't have a tax increase unless we made over $250,000. You don't think he LIED to us, do you?
I think you want to distract us from the fact that the administration wants to extend the Bush tax cuts on all but the top 2% of earners, that's what I think.

I also think it's very hypocritical how the Republican leaders in Congress pick and choose when to stand on principle against increasing the deficit, and when to decide that the economy requires them to bend their principles. Seems the economy only requires principle to be bent when they can either make the Democrats look bad, or themselves look good. It seems to have little or nothing to do with actually benefiting their constituents from where I am sitting.
 
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Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I think you want to distract us from the fact that the administration wants to extend the Bush tax cuts on all but the top 2% of earners, that's what I think.

I'll believe it when I see it.

It's already the middle of August. The Bush tax cuts expire in 4 months. If they are going to extend them, don't you think they better go ahead and vote on this?

By the way - Obama's budget is build around the EXPIRATION of the Bush tax cuts. Did you realize that? When he put together his budget, he did it with the figures that factored in the tax rates that were in place BEFORE the Bush tax cuts.

And these levels will raise taxes on EVERYONE who pays taxes.

The reason why he could get away with saying "I won't raise taxes" is because the tax cuts were already set to expire in December 2010, even though Congress has the option to extend them.

So - TECHNICALLY speaking (in other words - lawyer speak), Obama can truthfully say, "I'm not raising taxes - I'm just letting them raise themselves and I and my administration aren't going to do a thing to stop it, even though we could with one vote."
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
And these levels will raise taxes on EVERYONE who pays taxes.
We'll see. From where I'm standing, I don't personally know anyone that will be paying more taxes.
 
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Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Well, we won't have to wait long - December will be here before we know it.

Did you read the article I posted a few posts back that gave the breakdown of how each tax bracket (starting at the bottom) will have the percentage of taxes owed increased when the Bush tax cuts expire?

That's EVERY tax bracket. Yes, yours too.
 

Engyo

Prince of Dorkness!
That's EVERY tax bracket. Yes, yours too.
IF, and ONLY IF, the administration presses for, and congress votes for, letting 100% of the Bush tax cuts expire.

Do you really think that is the administration's goal? Those conservative radio talking points must taste great! If so, I've got some wonderful real estate deals for you!
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
IF, and ONLY IF, the administration presses for, and congress votes for, letting 100% of the Bush tax cuts expire.

Do you really think that is the administration's goal? Those conservative radio talking points must taste great! If so, I've got some wonderful real estate deals for you!

I work full time at a job that is 5 minutes from my house, so I don't even turn on the radio in my car most days. I haven't been listening to any talk shows and I often go two or three days in a row without watching television. I get most of my news from a wide variety of sources online - conservative, liberal, libertarian, etc.

As I pointed out, the tax cuts expire in four months. This is a huge, huge deal with implications for nearly every American. It will probably require lots of debate and discussion before a vote.

I predict the actual voting will take place AFTER the November elections. I wonder how many members of Congress will cast an unpopular vote THEN, but give vague or misleading answers about their position BEFORE the elections. Should be interesting.

This administration, like the others before it, has doublespeak down pat. Obama can say what he wants about the budget, but he knows that Congress votes for or against the tax cuts extension or expiration.

It's a well orchestrated dance.

"Democratic leaders on Capitol Hill say they will consider the fate of those tax cuts--due to expire at year's end-- just before the congressional elections. Nearly three-quarters of households will pay more in taxes in 2011 than they will this year if the Bush tax cuts expire and the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) is allowed to bite millions of middle-income households. With the economy still on uncertain footing, do we want to raise anyone’s taxes next year?

Stalemate means the Bush tax cuts expire for everyone. For most households, that will feel like a tax increase."
Will Congress let the Bush tax cuts expire? - CSMonitor.com

Listen, I hope that the tax cuts are kept in place - across the board.

Let me give you a little insight into how this affects people in those upper ranges.

If the tax cuts expire, I will quit my job. That's because our tax rate will go up so high that I will be working for less than my time is worth - plus it will become counter productive for me to work when I factor in the expenses of work and the tax increase.

So - that will be fewer tax dollars going into the federal till. We will also spend less money in our local market because of our personal budget cut, so that's fewer taxes raised locally. The effect of the tax hike will be the OPPOSITE of the desired effect.

You will see this scenario played out in many upper income families and businesses across the nation. If people are going to basically take a pay cut, they are going to either scale back their spending, or in the case of small businesses, scale back their operations, hiring, etc. and/or raise prices to cover their rising expenses.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It's not even comparable. I made $16,000 last year. These corporations made well over $1,000,000. I also don't take out any deductions on my taxes because I don't want to deal with filling out extra paper work. But the issue is is that even though I pay my taxes every year, these corporations have so many loopholes that they aren't paying nearly what they should.

The gov't makes the rules, ie, sets the tax rates, deductions, & credits. Provided there is no fraud, then corporations are paying exactly
what the gov't decided they should. (Politicians love to dole out "loopholes" when negotiating the laws, & then complain about what they did
later....as though it were the sins of those who pay.) If you don't even take the personal deduction, then you are a rare bird indeed. But most
of us pay the taxes we do based upon deductions, & if these deductions are reduced, then this is a tax increase. You may lobby for my ilk
to pay more taxes so that you may pay less & get even more benefits, but don't expect me to go along quietly with your quest for gov't largess.

I know plenty of people who have more money in their pocket because of the Obama tax cut. The Bush tax cut had zero effect on what they paid in taxes. And the figures that I see that will be effected, over $100,000 a year, I don't feel sorry for.

I understand that you to care more about people making only $16K/yr than $100K/yr, but this just strikes me as greed (the bad kind). The poor always
seem to want to make someone else provide ever more for them, yet have less responsibility of their own. This seems a recipe for killing the economy.

That is (of course depending on location) a ton of money, more than what is required to live a very comfortable life.
What's comfortable for one person could be meager for another. I leave it up to the individuals to decide how productive they want to be for whatever
comfort level they want. Such a decision for others shouldn't be in your purview.

And since the government has bills to pay, it's better that it come from higher earners than the middle and lower class. You can't tax the poor because they can't afford it, and if you tax the middle class they become poor. So really the higher earners are the only ones who can afford it.
The poor ought to pay something, lest they become mere wards of the state, living off the sweat of others as a permanent privileged class, albeit a low class.
 
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Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
When you start off with a gratuitous snarky comment, I'm not motivated to put much effort into a response.

That's cool. Whatever helps you feel better about avoiding responding to the real points of the post.

Behave yourself, & you'll see better results.

Now, we both know that's not true. I've never seen better results from you in response to me or anyone else.
 

Engyo

Prince of Dorkness!
I'll believe it when I see it.

It's already the middle of August. The Bush tax cuts expire in 4 months. If they are going to extend them, don't you think they better go ahead and vote on this?

By the way - Obama's budget is build around the EXPIRATION of the Bush tax cuts. Did you realize that? When he put together his budget, he did it with the figures that factored in the tax rates that were in place BEFORE the Bush tax cuts.

And these levels will raise taxes on EVERYONE who pays taxes.

The reason why he could get away with saying "I won't raise taxes" is because the tax cuts were already set to expire in December 2010, even though Congress has the option to extend them.

So - TECHNICALLY speaking (in other words - lawyer speak), Obama can truthfully say, "I'm not raising taxes - I'm just letting them raise themselves and I and my administration aren't going to do a thing to stop it, even though we could with one vote."
See it here:
The Bush tax plan vs. the Obama tax plan in one chart
source article at: (requires free registration)
washingtonpost.com
 

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