How shall we correct this injustice?

[F1fan]

Watch your favorite individual (E Jean Carroll). She painted her trees and rocks around her house blue.

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7325242097521429803
She named her dog "tits" and cat "Vagina".

She claimed she dated 16 people at the same time because that's what the New Yorkers do.

Sound about right! Shows what you support.


Btw, I am not defending Trump only - I am defending all men against false allegations. Allegations they cannot disprove after 26 years.
Give them a fair trial. Report incidents in a timely manner.

Stop the Witch hunt.

The hole you’re digging is only getting you closer to hell.

Trump was found liable for lying about sexually assaulting E Jean Carroll. Accept it.

 

[BrightShadow]

The hole you’re digging is only getting you closer to hell.

Not me!

 

[F1fan]

Not me!

How happy you must be to not be one of the many people not sexually assaulted by Trump. Your indifference to those who were is disgraceful.

 

[BrightShadow]

How happy you must be to not be one of the many people not sexually assaulted by Trump. Your indifference to those who were is disgraceful.

I am not a witch hunter!
Report it as soon as possible so that everyone can have a fair trial.

 

[metis]

I think the difference between me and MAGA sorts, is that I think he means the things he says. They don't. If I remember correctly, they wrote off that remark as just locker room bragging.

Yes, and when he said he'd "be a dictator on day 1", people should have taken that seriously. When Hitler spouted his hatred, probably most thought it was just campaign nonsense, but then they found out otherwise.

 

[crossfire]

@IndigoChild5559 @F1fan @Koldo @Samael_Khan

Like I said...
Every case is different. Don't paint every case of rape with the same brush.
People who believe every single allegations brought forth by simply any woman of any age - are modern days Witch-hunters.
The new witch in this case - is any innocent man who are accused of rape.

To give a fair chance for the wrongly accused man - a rape should be reported by an adult female in a timely manner.
Juveniles (under 18) should be allowed more time. I would go as high as 21 years old women to get special considerations and equally extra time to report.

However, a 52 years old lady should not have the same privileges as she has a responsivity to set an example for the rest of women and thus she should report the crime immediately.
After all - this particular lady was a Journalist.

It is mind blowing that you guys don't see the difference.

And the Witch hunt continues...
Falsely accused men don't stand a chance against the witch hunters.

Comparing rapists to witches is unfair to the witches.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Scenario #2:
A 52 years old Journalist pulled the rape card - who was self reliant in every aspect in her life at the time of occurrence and wealthy enough to afford to go and shop at the Bergdorf's. And what is the job of a Journalist? Report things. Right? But she doesn't report in for 26 years.

After reading this, I simply deleted the remainder of your post.

First of all, if she is "playing the rape card" that means she is lying, which is not the same as waiting 26 years.

Second of all, I find it infuriating that if someone reports a mugging, no one says, "They are playing the mugging card." If a home is burglarized, no one says, "They are playing the burglary card." It is only in the case of rape reports that people routinely wonder if the victim is lying.

Third, people who use "the card" expression do it to insinuate that such things don't happen. For example, those who say, "He is playing the race card" don't really believe that much racism is around. Those who accuse Jews of "playing the antisemitic card" don't really believe antisemitism happens. So if by chance you think rape is a real thing, and a big problem, then you need to excise the "rape card" terminology from your vocabulary.

Fourth, it is far more common than not for women not to report. And something can happen 6 years, 16 years, 60 years later that changes their minds. That's not "playing the rape card." That's just human psychology.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Yes, and when he said he'd "be a dictator on day 1", people should have taken that seriously. When Hitler spouted his hatred, probably most thought it was just campaign nonsense, but then they found out otherwise.

You are preaching to the choir. SMH All america will pay the price for not listening to what he actually said.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Every case is different. Don't paint every case of rape with the same brush.

Don't paint every case of rape with the same brush? Some rapes are better than other rapes? I've had it. You are permanently blocked.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

And a 27th came out about two weeks before the election. It didn't get much press. There was a lot else going on, and plus if 26 didn't mean anything to Trump cultists, another one is just as irrelevant. There could be 100 women that were victimized by Trump and it would mean nothing to those who don't respect women, but admire Trump. To MAGAs women are second class citizens.

I absolutely agree. If 26 is not enough witnesses, there IS no "enough witnesses."

The only thing I would clarify is remember that many MAGA are women.

 

[BrightShadow]

After reading this, I simply deleted the remainder of your post.

I've had it. You are permanently blocked.

If you can't handle the heat... get out of the...

Why make a thread post a biased 'book' and not expect anyone to disagree with you?
You should be happy that I wasted my time reading it.

I am aware you don't read everything. I called your original post biased and you didn't protest. You quietly accepted it. So, I figured you didn't read my initial response to you on page 4 post#62.

Anyhow if it is true that you don't read - then you ruined the possibility of learning something worthwhile.

This is how some Dems never learn anything. They block out all facts and remain blind and biased among their likeminded folks. They believe something and then close out their doors and windows - so nothing else can come in. Every thing else is a lie!

Majority rules, remember? Dems lost. It is time to listen to the other side. (the side with common sense).

that means she is lying,

Obviously this Journalist lied in court. I can say that with 99.99% certainty.
People lie in court all the time. Both sides can't be trusted at the same time.

It is possible she was raped by someone in her early days but it wasn't by Trump and it couldn't be at the Bergdorf.
Zero chance of that... Zilch.

She did not remember the day, month or year of the encounter.
She gave a window of two years (1995 - 1996) when it could have happened.

How can Trump defend against such vague accusation?
She kept the dress she was wearing that day. When asked why she kept it - her response was - she love that dress. The question remains - why she couldn't write down the date when it supposedly took place?

Had she given the date of the incident then Trump may have been able to show where he was on that day. Maybe he was in Italy or maybe he was in Spain. Why take away the opportunity from someone falsely accused? A person can exonerate himself by simply showing a firm alibi. Why a a specific 'date' is not on the table when it is a sudden one day incidence at a public place?

Second of all, I find it infuriating that if someone reports a mugging, no one says, "They are playing the mugging card." If a home is burglarized, no one says, "They are playing the burglary card." It is only in the case of rape reports that people routinely wonder if the victim is lying.

Ha ha ha.
People don't wait 26 years to report a mugging or a burglary. Of course cops would tend to believe mugging or burglary victims when they are called to the crime scene. But yet some people try to fake burglaries too - for the sake of insurance claims.

Similarly, cops would also believe a rape victim if they are called to the crime scene. So, it was a crazy comparison. You cannot compare on-site mugging reports with a rape that is reported 26 years later.

If you report a mugging or burglary for the first time after 26 years - then make sure you take a picture of yourself and post it on the social media. I will leave a decent but appropriate comment there.

It will be something like this... "Good to see you recovered your brain after 26 years. What else did they take from you 26 years ago?"


Evidence is the key! Don't wait too long to report a crime.

I can understand the psychological reasoning behind why some victims may delay in reporting or why some may not report it at all (I showed one scenario) but that does not apply to a 52 years old self-reliant Journalist who claimed to have dated 16 people at the same time. Watch the video. Whether she actually meant it or not - doesn't matter. She claimed (in her video) that she was never a shy woman. She was a cheerleader and cheerleaders should be able to scream even at age 52. She should have screamed at the top of her lungs for help while in that department store. They have incredible security there. Instead she finished shopping around.

Stop giving a free pass to every woman who uses the rape card.
I agree true victim don't use "rape cards". But fake ones do.


While many are true victims of this heinous crime, BUT there are also some who are frauds.
Don't let the "frauds" ruin it for the real victims or ruin innocent lives of men they falsely frame.

Tell the real victims to report immediately (if possible). The evidence will help their case.
At least tell the real victims to keep any evidence and write down date and time of occurrence. It is very important to do that. Basic 101.


At the end of the day - you should appreciate my honesty and my response.
If you were trying to write a book - I showed you all the fault lines.
Pay attention to it - just like the Californians should pay attention to their fault lines.

Earth Quake is a *^*^*

 

[BrightShadow]

Comparing rapists to witches is unfair to the witches.

You shouldn't call everyone falsely accused a rapist.
Call the ones criminally prosecuted.

You missed the word "innocent" from my statement.
I compared the innocent ones.

Even in Trump's civil case - the fat lady is still waiting to sing.
So wait until the fat lady signs.

The liability was bigger than the alleged crime! And I am talking about defamation.
In my book - that is a crime by itself!

 

[crossfire]

You shouldn't call everyone falsely accused a rapist.
Call the ones criminally prosecuted.

You missed the word "innocent" from my statement.
I compared the innocent ones.

Even in Trump's civil case - the fat lady is still waiting to sing.
So wait until the fat lady signs.

The liability was bigger than the alleged crime! And I am talking about defamation.
In my book - that is a crime by itself!

Rape is rightly considered to be a crime, and very few rapists are prosecuted and sentenced, and their punishment is very light compared to what witches faced.

Is being a witch rightly considered to be a crime?

Like I said, comparing rapists to witches is unfair to the witches. I continue to stand by that.

 

[Revoltingest]

Rape is rightly considered to be a crime, and very few rapists are prosecuted and sentenced....

Do you attribute this to disregard for the victims?
Or to difficulty of proving a crime that typically occurred
in private, relying solely upon testimony of defendant &
plaintiff, & without physical evidence?

Many post suggest a call for more convictions.
Be cautious about this.
When a crime can't be proven beyond a reasonable
doubt, it would be unjust to presume guilt because
the plaintiff said so.
Note also that women who've been shown to lie
about a rape seldom face prosecution for perjury.
This despite the fact that the real victim (the accused)
faced many years in prison, & a ruined life. Blackstone's
ratio serves society better than the Chinese approach
(99.975% conviction rate in 2022), which is to always
convict.

 

[BrightShadow]

Rape is rightly considered to be a crime, and very few rapists are prosecuted and sentenced, and their punishment is very light compared to what witches faced.

Is being a witch rightly considered to be a crime?

Like I said, comparing rapists to witches is unfair to the witches. I continue to stand by that.

This is getting weird.
I am not comparing witches to convicted rapists.
I am only using the terminology "witch-hunt"
HUNT
As in hunting and burning an innocent subject just because someone accused him of a crime (rape).
So relax and move on!

 

[crossfire]

This is getting weird.
I am not comparing witches to convicted rapists.
I am only using the terminology "witch-hunt"
HUNT
As in hunting and burning an innocent subject just because someone accused him of a crime (rape).

Since police and prosecutors don't pursue rapists with the vigor that witch hunters pursued witches, it is indeed weird.

So relax and move on!

Good idea.

 

[crossfire]

Do you attribute this to disregard for the victims?

In some cases--especially young adult women.

Or to difficulty of proving a crime that typically occurred
in private, relying solely upon testimony of defendant &
plaintiff, & without physical evidence?

In many or most cases-yes.

Many post suggest a call for more convictions.
Be cautious about this.
When a crime can't be proven beyond a reasonable
doubt, it would be unjust to presume guilt because
the plaintiff said so.
Note also that women who've been shown to lie
about a rape seldom face prosecution for perjury.
This despite the fact that the real victim (the accused)
faced many years in prison, & a ruined life. Blackstone's
ratio serves society better than the Chinese approach
(99.975% conviction rate in 2022), which is to always
convict.

We need something better and more effective than criminal prosecution if we want to make progress. This is going to require a deep cultural change.

 

[Revoltingest]

Over in Ireland....

Masked gang broke into home of Conor McGregor accuser, Dublin court was told

Incident revealed after civil court found MMA fighter had assaulted Nikita Hand in December 2018

www.theguardian.com

 

[SkepticThinker]

Rape investigations haven't been of a very high priority. It's only been in the past few years that my state made the effort to process their backlog of rape kits--some going back to the 1990's. That is past the statute of limitations for adult victims, but there is no statute of limitations in the case of the rape of a child. It's as if the police do not want to investigate rape cases.
Here's a story of a rape victim that was charged with filing a false report and ordered to undergo psychological brainwashing to make her believe it never happened.

Rape victim suing Lynnwood police | HeraldNet.com

LYNNWOOD — The victim of a serial rapist is now suing the Lynnwood police detectives who once accused her of lying about being sexually assaulted.

www.heraldnet.com

This is insane.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Are you seriously calling Trump a rapist?
I am not here to educate you. Not sure anyone can.
But I can tell you - you got all your facts wrong. You know nothing about our justice system in USA.

Which country are you from? We need to stop coming in your aid.

Google the following question: "Is Trump a convicted rapist?"

You will be shocked at what you will learn.

Trump was NEVER convicted of rape.
E Jean Carroll's lawsuit was a civil trial. All about the money!
Trump was never criminally charged. Trump was found, by a jury, liable for battery (on civil grounds) and defamation.
On Civil grounds only! There is no criminal consequences to finding of 'liability' in a civil court.
So stop calling him a rapist like an ignorant person.

It is annoying to respond to gullible folks who hang their common sense and decency in their basement closet and then come here and respond just to score some points with other biased and gullible folks.

You likeminded folks need a reality check.

If E Jean Carroll put up a good performance at the court (and doubt she did) then I would agree she was indeed raped by someone in her early days BUT it is extremely unlikely that she was raped by Trump. Trump was 49 years old at the time and a multi millionaire who was a renowned figure. He was conducting and hosting models and beauty pageant competitions around the globe. E Jean was a 52 year old Journalist at the time of incident.
If a 52 years old Journalist doesn't know how to handle such situation after being attacked then it is indeed a worrisome culture we live in. Lucky for us - I am certain - she faked it.

Let me ask you a question:
Assuming you are a man - have you EVER gone in the dressing room (changing section) with a woman you hardly knew - in any luxurious department store? Have you ever been to Bergdorf Goodman?
Google the store and check out how luxurious this store is. Check out their designer merchandise. Most folks can't afford it.


Prada, Jimmy Choo, Gucci, Lanvin, Dolce & Gabbana - Bergdorf Goodman


Let me rephrase my question - have you ever gone in the dressing room (changing section) with any woman you hardly knew? Dressing rooms and especially the section you try out different clothes - is not made for two people to go in together. Period!

Teenagers might do it for the purpose of fooling around.

So, why did she go in the dressing-room with him? She hardly knew him. Did he drag her in there? Trump didn't even remember ever knowing her - otherwise he would have claimed consensual from the get-go.

I am not going to continue educating you. This could be my last post to you.
Say what you want. You are just looking to score some points with your likeminded biased folks. You are not even genuine.

Oh, Trump is just fine going into the dressing rooms, uninvited, of young girls he doesn't know as well. He said as much on The Howard Stern Show.

We already know Trump has been found civilly liable for sexual assault and defamation, by a judge and two juries. He rammed his fingers into E. Jean Carroll's v*****. That's rape, buddy. Try to explain it away all you want, but it only reflects poorly upon yourself.