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How shall we correct this injustice?

BrightShadow

Active Member
What strategies would you suggest to encourage rapists to turn to self reflection and stop raping?

Read what I wrote on page #4 post# 62 (if you genuinely want to know).

You could discourage any potential rapist by simply increasing the punishment for the crime.


Very little chance for other things to work - if the punishment is not severe.

Self reflection?... Very little you can do there in our current society!

So, the first thing is - to increase the punishment.;)

Once the threat of a huge retaliatory consequence for their crime (by the justice system) is hanging in front of their faces - you could make other headways with them. With a genuine threat of punishment - they won't commit the crime in the first place.

In other words - you could try and get through to the rapists but the threat of a huge consequence must be on the table - first and foremost.

The way our society is structured these days - such criminals are let out of jail too quickly. That sets a bad example for the future ones.
If you commit a heinous crime - you must do a significant amount of time!
Hope that answers your question.
 
This is actually an ETHICAL issue rather than political, since absolutely every political party has never addressed it. However, since no ethical forum exists, politics seems to be the best place for the thread.

Last summer, my son asked me an odd question. He said, "If you were lost out in the woods, would you be more scared if a bear approached you, or a man?? Without hesitation, I said, "A man." He couldn't wrap his head around that. I tried to explain to him that a bear wasn't going to bother me unless I bothered it, if I scared it in some way, or it was worried about cubs. But a man, out in the middle of nowhere, with no one else to witness, could do ANYTHING. Yeah, I'd be terrified.

The topic is sexual violence against women. This is not to suggest that men aren't victims of sexual violence. When a man is raped, it is just as horrifying and scarring as for a woman. However, sexual violence against men is much, much more rare. So, with all sympathy towards male victims, I'm going to plunge ahead with the topic. I'm also going to stick to US statistics, mostly from the RAINN website (Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network) but as we all know, sexual violence against women is a problem worldwide.

One out of every four women in the US is a victim of sexual violence. However, only about a third (310 out of every 1,000) of these women report it to the police. This meshes with my personal experience. I'm the sort in real life that others sense will be understanding and keep confidences, so I hear all sorts of private things from people, and of the many women who have told me they were raped, NONE went to the police.

Unlike the manosphere fear that women commonly accuse innocent men of rape, the truth is that genuine victims usually say nothing at all. The reasons are many.
  • Shock. It's just easier to deny that something so horrible has happened. Going to the police makes it real.
  • Shame. Even today in 2024, women are commonly blamed for their own rapes, everything from "Were you drinking" to "How were you dressed."
  • Fear of retaliation. Self explanatory.
  • Privacy. Women have a modesty that is just not as common among men. Most of us don't even feel comfortable undressing in front of other women in locker rooms. Sexual violence is something deeply personal, and many women just don't want to talk about it.
  • Lying: No one suspects a mugging victim of making it up. No one suspects a home burglary victim of making it up. No one suspects a victim of a financial scam of making it up. But no sooner do you say rape, then the first thing that goes through the minds of most men is, "Is she making it up?"
  • Concern for the perpetrator: Amazingly, 7% of all sexual assault victims say the reason they didn't go to the police was because they didn't want to get the perp (likely a friend or family member) into trouble.
  • Danger: There are literally victims of rape in this country who are currently in jail for "filing a false police report." They first get bullied by overly zealous detectives to withdrawing their complaint, and then are arrested and prosecuted.
  • Being raped a second time: If it goes to court, the victim has to endure the vicious attacks of defense attorneys, who will do all they can to drag her through the mud.
  • Lack of faith in the system: The truth is, almost no perpetrators of sexual violence ever go to jail. They rape without consequence. Most victims think, "What good does it do to go to the police?" It is this last element that I want to do a deep dive on.

Let's look at some of the statistics. As I already mentioned, not even a third of all sexual assaults are reported to the police. As reported by RAINN: Out of every 1000 sexual assaults, 975 perpetrators will walk free. Only 50 reports will lead to an arrest. Only 28 will lead to a felony conviction. Only 25 will be incarcerated. Out of 1000.

This means that only 2.5% of women who are sexually assaulted will see their victimizer go to jail. And in case you think this website is too generous towards women, please know that I have chosen one that is more conservative. I've seen statistics as low as 0.15%.

The long and short of it is this: men continue to rape women with impunity. I'm not saying that most men are rapists. They're not. (And those many men who do treat women with respect, you have my undying love!) But for those who do harm women, they do a LOT of damage, and they do it without consequence.


So.... Let's get down to the brass tacks. WHAT CAN BE DONE TO CHANGE THIS? How can our laws be changed? How can police policies be changed? How can our justice department be changed?
Id shift it to why do we need to change this? And why do people act like their issues are felt by the world and agreed by the world
 

BrightShadow

Active Member
He should stop sexually assaulting people then.
Once again - sorry to hear what you went through in your early days.
You do know that - if you were a juror in a rape or sexual assaults case -you would have been excused by the Judge.
Defense lawyer for the accused could also ask you to be dismissed because you won't be impartial.
So, for the same reason - it is fruitless talking to you on this regard.
You will always believe Trump raped her.


A 52 year old lady (E Jean Carrol) who was a journalist at the time - should never wait until she is 75 years old to report her rape incident.
That is not fair for the defender (Trump).

If someone is falsely accused - how can he defend himself after 26 years?
That is simply unacceptable.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Yes! A 52 years old Journalist afraid to confront the world and do the right thing?:rolleyes:
She did the right thing by exposing Trump for sexual assault, an suing him for defamation. Twice, and winning both times.
She doesn't feel a need to save other women.
Who are you to tell what she neds to feel? This illustrates the abuse and disrespect of many men in the USA.
Change comes from within first.
Before you start fixing others, fix yourself.
Is your message to men who lack maturity and commit rape, or are you schooling victims of sexual assault?
You are blindly supporting a 52 old lady who reported the incident when she was 75 years old.
My support is lucid and deliberate. I support all victims of sexual assault. It isn't their problem, it is a problem of men who commit these acts against women.

If anyone is blind it is your devotion to a disturbed man with a history of sexual assault. Trump has had 26 accusers come forward, and a 27th a few weeks before the election. He has been recorded bragging about doing this to women. He's not fit for any government job.
Something wrong with the culture all right! I see it.:D
You just don't see it reflected in your views. THAT is why we have a culture problem.
The culture is saying - you should keep your fights to be fought when you are 75 years old. Many more fools will believe an older lady of 75 than a 52 year old lady.
I have no idea what you are talking about here. But sexual assault remains sexual assult forever. And despite your mixed words Trump is guilty of sexual assault, and he has named a fellow accused of sexual assault to lead the DOD, an organization that has had problems with sexual assault itself. The ignorance of the criminal president elect is rampant. How so many lacking character voted for him is beyond my understanding.

Look at your recent posts, all trying to defend Trump and blaming E Jean Carroll. THAT is the culture problem the USA faces, Trump and his followers. They all suffer from a sickness, and lack the basic morals that the rest of us find normal.
 
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Koldo

Outstanding Member
Due to the fact that the Dems weaponized the justice system and the fact that - New York City is filled with Koldos and crazy Dems who hate Trump - I am sure Trump did not receive a fair trial.

Sure on what grounds? None. Absolutely none.
The rest of your post is not even worth responding.
Suffices to say I am quite satisfied that you will have to face the consequences of your choices. It is going to be delightful.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
Read what I wrote on page #4 post# 62 (if you genuinely want to know).

You could discourage any potential rapist by simply increasing the punishment for the crime.


Very little chance for other things to work - if the punishment is not severe.

Self reflection?... Very little you can do there in our current society!

So, the first thing is - to increase the punishment.;)

Once the threat of a huge retaliatory consequence for their crime (by the justice system) is hanging in front of their faces - you could make other headways with them. With a genuine threat of punishment - they won't commit the crime in the first place.

In other words - you could try and get through to the rapists but the threat of a huge consequence must be on the table - first and foremost.

The way our society is structured these days - such criminals are let out of jail too quickly. That sets a bad example for the future ones.
If you commit a heinous crime - you must do a significant amount of time!
Hope that answers your question.
That would require the police and prosecutors to actually show some interest in prosecuting rapists, as well as judges and prosecutors refraining from blaming the victim and sending the victims off for psychological brainwashing into making them believe it never happened.

I'm not going to hold my breath on that one.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
That would require the police and prosecutors to actually show some interest in prosecuting rapists, as well as judges and prosecutors refraining from blaming the victim and sending the victims off for psychological brainwashing into making them believe it never happened.

I'm not going to hold my breath on that one.
Conviction faces a high hurdle when the act is
typically done in the dark, away from prying eyes.
Obama tried to cope by replacing presumption of
innocence with presumption of guilt....for men at
universities. It appears he values conviction over
Blackstone's ratio & constitutional rights.
Some "constitutional scholar" he turned out to be, eh.
 

Samael_Khan

Qigong / Yang Style Taijiquan / 7 Star Mantis
Are you seriously calling Trump a rapist?
I am not here to educate you. Not sure anyone can.
But I can tell you - you got all your facts wrong. You know nothing about our justice system in USA.

Which country are you from? We need to stop coming in your aid.

Google the following question: "Is Trump a convicted rapist?"

You will be shocked at what you will learn.

Trump was NEVER convicted of rape.
E Jean Carroll's lawsuit was a civil trial. All about the money!
Trump was never criminally charged. Trump was found, by a jury, liable for battery (on civil grounds) and defamation.
On Civil grounds only! There is no criminal consequences to finding of 'liability' in a civil court.
So stop calling him a rapist like an ignorant person.

It is annoying to respond to gullible folks who hang their common sense and decency in their basement closet and then come here and respond just to score some points with other biased and gullible folks.

You likeminded folks need a reality check.


If E Jean Carroll put up a good performance at the court (and doubt she did) then I would agree she was indeed raped by someone in her early days BUT it is extremely unlikely that she was raped by Trump. Trump was 49 years old at the time and a multi millionaire who was a renowned figure. He was conducting and hosting models and beauty pageant competitions around the globe. E Jean was a 52 year old Journalist at the time of incident.
If a 52 years old Journalist doesn't know how to handle such situation after being attacked then it is indeed a worrisome culture we live in. Lucky for us - I am certain - she faked it.

Let me ask you a question:
Assuming you are a man - have you EVER gone in the dressing room (changing section) with a woman you hardly knew - in any luxurious department store? Have you ever been to Bergdorf Goodman?
Google the store and check out how luxurious this store is. Check out their designer merchandise. Most folks can't afford it.


Prada, Jimmy Choo, Gucci, Lanvin, Dolce & Gabbana - Bergdorf Goodman


Let me rephrase my question - have you ever gone in the dressing room (changing section) with any woman you hardly knew? Dressing rooms and especially the section you try out different clothes - is not made for two people to go in together. Period!

Teenagers might do it for the purpose of fooling around.

So, why did she go in the dressing-room with him? She hardly knew him. Did he drag her in there? Trump didn't even remember ever knowing her - otherwise he would have claimed consensual from the get-go.

I am not going to continue educating you. This could be my last post to you. ;)
Say what you want. You are just looking to score some points with your likeminded biased folks. You are not even genuine.
Dude, you clearly show ignorance on how victims react to being raped, so how can you educate me on anything?

Say what you want. You care more about deflecting blame from Trump than rape victims. You are like the church who relocate the priests. And you are genuine in that.
 
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IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Are you seriously calling Trump a rapist?
A court of law determined that he did indeed shove his fingers into a woman's vagina against her will. In the state of California, rape is any non-consensual penetration by any body part or object, so by California understanding, yes, a court has found that he committed rape.

And then you have 26 women who have all claimed he sexually assaulted them. 26. TWENTY SIX. It would be absolutely absurd to accept the word of one person who says, "No I didn't" when 26 are saying "Yes you did." If 26 witnesses are not enough, then how many DO you require?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
A court of law determined that he did indeed shove his fingers into a woman's vagina against her will. In the state of California, rape is any non-consensual penetration by any body part or object, so by California understanding, yes, a court has found that he committed rape.

And then you have 26 women who have all claimed he sexually assaulted them. 26. TWENTY SIX. It would be absolutely absurd to accept the word of one person who says, "No I didn't" when 26 are saying "Yes you did." If 26 witnesses are not enough, then how many DO you require?
He even bragged about it on the Access Hollywood recording, and yet millions of Americans didn't care enough about these victims to make certain an arrogant maniac like him didn't end up leading our country. Now we are likely to have hell to pay for such depravity.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
He even bragged about it on the Access Hollywood recording, and yet millions of Americans didn't care enough about these victims to make certain an arrogant maniac like him didn't end up leading our country. Now we are likely to have hell to pay for such depravity.
I think the difference between me and MAGA sorts, is that I think he means the things he says. They don't. If I remember correctly, they wrote off that remark as just locker room bragging.
 
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