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How should the Christian Church treat homosexuals?

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espo35

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Where does it say they were 'cleaned up'?

Romans 7

4 So, my brothers, YOU also were made dead to the Law through the body of the Christ, that YOU might become another’s, the one’s who was raised up from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. 5 For when we were in accord with the flesh, the sinful passions that were excited by the Law were at work in our members that we should bring forth fruit to death. 6 But now we have been discharged from the Law, because we have died to that by which we were being held fast, that we might be slaves in a new sense by the spirit, and not in the old sense by the written code.
 

waitasec

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to God sin is not relative, stamdards are set, the way out is set, it's your choice, just like all sin is your choice...:)
yet your god condoned the beating of slaves within an inch of their lives
and the human trafficking of their children...


you have never shown me the heterosexual gene.
if you require a homosexual gene to provide evidence that it isn't a choice, why do you not require a heterosexual gene to say it is a hard wire...?
isn't that a double standard?
obviously if it was a hard wire there would be a gene...
where is it?
 

espo35

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it was a reference to the creatures that were shown in the blanket that was lowered from heaven, he was told not call things unclean that God had created...:)

You're referring to Peters' vision in Acts 10. At the time, ALL the earliest "christians" were Jews. Gentiles (non-Jews) were considered unclean. The vision made it clear to Peter that the new covenant was to include ALL people...not just Jews.

15 And the voice [spoke] again to him, the second time: “You stop calling defiled the things God has cleansed.” 16 This occurred a third time, and immediately the vessel was taken up into heaven.
 

yourgraceisenough

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You're referring to Peters' vision in Acts 10. At the time, ALL the earliest "christians" were Jews. Gentiles (non-Jews) were considered unclean. The vision made it clear to Peter that the new covenant was to include ALL people...not just Jews.

15 And the voice [spoke] again to him, the second time: “You stop calling defiled the things God has cleansed.” 16 This occurred a third time, and immediately the vessel was taken up into heaven.

thats the one it included creatures to....:)
 

espo35

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yet your god condoned the beating of slaves within an inch of their lives
and the human trafficking of their children...


you have never shown me the heterosexual gene.
if you require a homosexual gene to provide evidence that it isn't a choice, why do you not require a heterosexual gene to say it is a hard wire...?
isn't that a double standard?
obviously if it was a hard wire there would be a gene...
where is it?

How can we explain those who switch from hetro to homo, or visa-versa.... or bi-sexuals? How can these cases NOT be a choice??
 

yourgraceisenough

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yet your god condoned the beating of slaves within an inch of their lives
and the human trafficking of their children...


you have never shown me the heterosexual gene.
if you require a homosexual gene to provide evidence that it isn't a choice, why do you not require a heterosexual gene to say it is a hard wire...?
isn't that a double standard?
obviously if it was a hard wire there would be a gene...
where is it?

On the contrary I require you to show something that would make a change from the known normal thats why I asked where the gay gene was...:)
 

waitasec

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How can we explain those who switch from hetro to homo, or visa-versa.... or bi-sexuals? How can these cases NOT be a choice??

a heterosexual is wired a certain way, a homosexual is wired a certain way
and a bi sexual is wired a certain way...

why don't we all have the same sense of humor?
why are we attracted to different things?

claiming homosexuals choose to be homosexuals is inferring god has nothing to do with it...which is the only string believers have to hold on to.
a string so thin that they don't even provide evidence for this claim. all they say is god created everyone the same...well obviously he didn't.
my taste buds are prone to like spicy food...while other peoples taste buds don't like it.
i'm right handed...is there a right handed gene...? it used to be considered to be sinful to be left handed. and this notion that homosexuality is a sin is just as ridiculous as that. and nothing more than a holier than thou justification for bigotry and intolerance of others in a mob mentality.
if homosexuality is a choice then you would also have to say that
you choose to think who is attractive to you in very general terms...male or female...
and that everyone is born bisexual.
 

waitasec

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On the contrary I require you to show something that would make a change from the known normal thats why I asked where the gay gene was...:)

you said we are wired the same...show me where and how...

if it is a choice we are all bisexual.

you can't because you are grasping at straws....
and if you did any research you would find that it isn't a choice and throw your entire faith for a loop...and why would yu want to do that? :eek:
thinking for yourself is actually a good thing
 

waitasec

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On the contrary I require you to show something that would make a change from the known normal thats why I asked where the gay gene was...:)
lets not forget...
yet your god condoned the beating of slaves within an inch of their lives and the human trafficking of their children....
 

Fester

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it must be me then because I don't see any movement in that scripture it clearly says a man will take a woman...
I don't see it any other way...:)
It clearly does not say a man must take only a woman. Show me just one verse anywhere that says same sex cannot get married.
 

yourgraceisenough

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a heterosexual is wired a certain way, a homosexual is wired a certain way
and a bi sexual is wired a certain way...

why don't we all have the same sense of humor?
why are we attracted to different things?

claiming homosexuals choose to be homosexuals is inferring god has nothing to do with it...which is the only string believers have to hold on to.
a string so thin that they don't even provide evidence for this claim. all they say is god created everyone the same...well obviously he didn't.
my taste buds are prone to like spicy food...while other peoples taste buds don't like it.
i'm right handed...is there a right handed gene...? it used to be considered to be sinful to be left handed. and this notion that homosexuality is a sin is just as ridiculous as that. and nothing more than a holier than thou justification for bigotry and intolerance of others in a mob mentality.
if homosexuality is a choice then you would also have to say that
you choose to think who is attractive to you in very general terms...male or female...
and that everyone is born bisexual.

claiming homosexuality isn't a choice is the only string homosexuals have to cling to to keep their victim status, if it's true that they chose to be that way, they cannot claim to be victims of their own choice....

yet the elusive gay gene cannot be found despite all the wanna be scientist trying so hard to find it, in fact any bodily reason is still missing....

And of course homosexuality is a sin, just the same sin as the bible states for stealing, yet for some reason gays would like special acceptions for their sin, would a kleptomaniac expect special acceptions because they cannot help themselves...

society may bend to the will of gays, some churches may bend to the pressure but the true believers will hold the standard of God up and will not compromise what is obviously correct...:)
 

Fester

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all scripture...but you have to understand what is said for a time and place or a certain people, what is literal and what is figurative, also keeping in mind that places and numbers mean things...:)
Why don't you just answer his question? Why must every discussion with you be like watching Riverdance?
 

yourgraceisenough

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It clearly does not say a man must take only a woman. Show me just one verse anywhere that says same sex cannot get married.

what a stupid arguement, I cannot show you a single scripture that says you cannot stab another man through the eye with a poker but I think thou shalt not commit murder covers that...:facepalm::)
 
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