How stupid would it be to allow Iran to nuke Israel?

[Comprehend]

Joke or no joke on this board, it's no joke how the idea of leading us into another war under false pretenses manifests itself on our televisions through our media on a daily basis. The only reason Bush made concessions with Iran now is I believe he feels he had no choice, if our military was stronger and support at home was better I would bet we would be involved in Iran as well.

Now that's Funny!!!

The question is about a Hypothetical situation with Iran. Nothing has happened yet, how can you claim false pretenses on a hypothetical question.

It is quite obvious that the joke was the wording and slant of the question, it also had nothing at all to do with Iraq. For you to post a picture of dead US soldiers is just inflammatory and dishonest. Nobody was talking about Iraq, if you want to make some political statement about Iraq, go find a thread that is talking about it or start your own. Attempting to derail a thread just because you misunderstood it is, well... you know.

 

[Zephyr]

Eh, let them do what they will. The second they try to pull something like that on us though, we crush them.

Severely.

 

[YmirGF]

A great thread Comprehend. This is a serious problem and it would be the height of stupidity to ignore it. I believe the George W. and crew made a serious mistake by going into Iraq as he has burned all his political capital by doing so. The Iranian puppet masters who control President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are FAR from stupid even if their thinking is stuck in a time warp. Keep in mind that Muslims themselves claim that they never lie. Due to that one small detail one is forced to pay attention to what they are saying.

Can you imagine what the world reaction would be if there were huge marches in ANY "western" country with crowds chanting "Death to Iran" or "Death to Islam". For some reason, we tell ourselves, "Oh... they don't really mean it." Um... what exactly is there TO misunderstand about signs that say, "Death to Israel"; "Death to America". And yet, we have grown to expect this sort of thing and just shrug it off. They don't REALLY mean it... some say. Others point at our less than above board dealing with these countries and say "Back at ya, eh". There is some validity to this viewpoint but even then, this is almost unprecedented. Those who are soundly beaten in bygone wars do not normally snivel and whine about how they were unfairly beaten. Victors of battles, by default, can treat the "loser" pretty much however they wish. If these things had happened even 1 or 2 hundred years ago Muslims around the world would be facing very serious problems and a real threat of genocide. Our forefathers were not quite so forgiving.

I don't hear Italian's screaming for the return of lands that used to be a part of the Roman Empire. I don't hear Spain screaming for the return of countries that she once ruled. I don't hear Mongol's screaming for the return of "their" lands. Sadly, the simple reality is that might is right, as that has been the way of things since the dawn of so-called "civilization". The rule of the game is "You keep what you kill". People have to keep in mind that diplomacy is a fairly recent invention. People also have to remember that "public opinion" is also a fairly recent invention and leaders in the past only paid lip service to the thoughts of those they ruled.

*Dons flame retardant RF forum suit*

 

[Reverend Rick]

There is an old saying about dishing it out but not taking it well.

 

[Mercy Not Sacrifice]

(obviously inspired by Sunstones similarly titled thread, and sponsored by the letter A, and the number 8)

Just how stupid would it be to allow Iran to develope nukes and then drop them on Israel? Why would it be stupid? Or, if you by chance think it would be smart, then why would it be smart?

Alright, we'll try this again on the assumption that the situation is hypothetical.

I think that a reactive, "stop those Islamic militants at all costs" strategy carries a far more dire potential than an agressive-yet-peaceful diplomacy strategy does. At worst, such a shift would stop the rapid decline of the world's respect for us, and it just might win a few nations back on our side again.

 

[Comprehend]

A great thread Comprehend. This is a serious problem and it would be the height of stupidity to ignore it. I believe the George W. and crew made a serious mistake by going into Iraq as he has burned all his political capital by doing so. The Iranian puppet masters who control President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are FAR from stupid even if their thinking is stuck in a time warp. Keep in mind that Muslims themselves claim that they never lie. Due to that one small detail one is forced to pay attention to what they are saying.

Can you imagine what the world reaction would be if there were huge marches in ANY "western" country with crowds chanting "Death to Iran" or "Death to Islam". For some reason, we tell ourselves, "Oh... they don't really mean it." Um... what exactly is there TO misunderstand about signs that say, "Death to Israel"; "Death to America". And yet, we have grown to expect this sort of thing and just shrug it off. They don't REALLY mean it... some say. Others point at our less than above board dealing with these countries and say "Back at ya, eh". There is some validity to this viewpoint but even then, this is almost unprecedented. Those who are soundly beaten in bygone wars do not normally snivel and whine about how they were unfairly beaten. Victors of battles, by default, can treat the "loser" pretty much however they wish. If these things had happened even 1 or 2 hundred years ago Muslims around the world would be facing very serious problems and a real threat of genocide. Our forefathers were not quite so forgiving.

I don't hear Italian's screaming for the return of lands that used to be a part of the Roman Empire. I don't hear Spain screaming for the return of countries that she once ruled. I don't hear Mongol's screaming for the return of "their" lands. Sadly, the simple reality is that might is right, as that has been the way of things since the dawn of so-called "civilization". The rule of the game is "You keep what you kill". People have to keep in mind that diplomacy is a fairly recent invention. People also have to remember that "public opinion" is also a fairly recent invention and leaders in the past only paid lip service to the thoughts of those they ruled.

*Dons flame retardant RF forum suit*

I am out of frubals today already but I owe you. great post.

EDIT: you have been fruballed.

 

[greatcalgarian]

Anyscientologist will say that Comprehend is an alien working for G Bush, and he is planting the idea that this is going to happen, and prepare the American public to accept it as the truth when their President use that as an excuse to bomb Iran. There is nothing satire about this thread, it is a top class psy op. Beware.......

 

[greatcalgarian]

The GC response to this thread will be: ask yourself first, what would Iran gain by doing that, before you send in your response to stupid or not stupid...

 

[kiwimac]

Iran has as much right to nuclear weapons as Israel. To assert that the ONLY reason Iran would develop the technology for nuclear power is to attack Israel is to assert that which you cannot prove. If they wanted to attack, biologics and chemical weapons are much easier to manufacture.

I guess given the level of BS the US government is putting out about Iran and its' intentions that an attack is imminent. You would have thought you'd learnt from Iraq wouldn't you?

 

[Comprehend]

Anyscientologist will say that Comprehend is an alien working for G Bush, and he is planting the idea that this is going to happen, and prepare the American public to accept it as the truth when their President use that as an excuse to bomb Iran. There is nothing satire about this thread, it is a top class psy op. Beware.......

Not bad, but I am not an alien and I do not work for Bush. I am a human and I work forDARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) in the IAO (Information Awareness Office) which has since evolved into the IXO (Information Exploitation Office). You have nothing to fear, we only seek to keep you safe, see for yourself:

http://www.darpa.mil/DARPATech2002/presentations/iao_pdf/speeches/POINDEXT.pdf

 

[Mercy Not Sacrifice]

The GC response to this thread will be: ask yourself first, what would Iran gain by doing that, before you send in your response to stupid or not stupid...

Not bad, but I am not an alien and I do not work for Bush. I am a human and I work forDARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) in the IAO (Information Awareness Office) which has since evolved into the IXO (Information Exploitation Office). You have nothing to fear, we only seek to keep you safe, see for yourself:

http://www.darpa.mil/DARPATech2002/presentations/iao_pdf/speeches/POINDEXT.pdf

greatcalgarian and comprehend both win. :bow:

 

[Comprehend]

The GC response to this thread will be: ask yourself first, what would Iran gain by doing that, before you send in your response to stupid or not stupid...

I'm glad you asked. The President of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, believes that it is his job to bring back the 12th Imam. The Mahdi. Before that can happen there must be a "final battle" just like the Christian idea of Armageddon, so Ahmadinejad is trying to start the war.

Here is an introduction:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/01/14/wiran14.xml


I thought everybody knew about this, he isn't shy about telling people.

 

[lilithu]

Just how stupid would it be to allow Iran to develope nukes and then drop them on Israel?

How stupid would it be to make the same mistake over and over again?

 

[greatcalgarian]

I'm glad you asked. The President of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, believes that it is his job to bring back the 12th Imam. The Mahdi. Before that can happen there must be a "final battle" just like the Christian idea of Armageddon, so Ahmadinejad is trying to start the war.

Here is an introduction:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/01/14/wiran14.xml


I thought everybody knew about this, he isn't shy about telling people.

Some American Christians believe the Revelation, and placed faith in Bush as being the one predicted in Revelation.

 

[lilithu]

I'm glad you asked. The President of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, believes that it is his job to bring back the 12th Imam. The Mahdi. Before that can happen there must be a "final battle" just like the Christian idea of Armageddon, so Ahmadinejad is trying to start the war.

Here is an introduction:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/01/14/wiran14.xml


I thought everybody knew about this, he isn't shy about telling people.

And George Bush thinks that God put him in the oval office to "spread democracy" throughout the world.

I guess you're right, we should be very afraid.

 

[greatcalgarian]

Let us all try to understand that the current beasts residing in middle east are creation of the US. Read Juan's article:

http://www.juancole.com/2005/08/fisking-war-on-terror-once-upon-time.html

In the US, the Christian Right adopted the Mujahideen as their favorite project. They even sent around a "biblical checklist" for grading US congressman as to how close they were to the "Christian" political line. If a congressman didn't support the radical Muslim Muj, he or she was downgraded by the evangelicals and fundamentalists.

In 1985 Reagan sent Senator Orrin Hatch, Undersecretary of Defense Fred Iklé and others to Beijing to ask China to put pressure on Pakistan to allow the US to give the Muslim radicals, such as Hikmatyar, more sophisticated weapons. Hatch succeeded in this mission.

In the meantime, the US had steadfastly supported Israeli encroachments on the Palestinian Occupied Territories and the gradual complete annexation of Jerusalem, the third holiest city to Muslims

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/07/26/news/terror.php

Then in July, 2005, General Richard Myers, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, announced that there was not actually any "War on Terror:" ' General Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the National Press Club on Monday that he had "objected to the use of the term 'war on terrorism' before, because if you call it a war, then you think of people in uniform as being the solution." ' (Question: Does this mean we can have the Bill of Rights back, now?)

The American Right, having created the Mujahideen and having mightily contributed to the creation of al-Qaeda, abruptly announced that there was something deeply wrong with Islam, that it kept producing terrorists.[/

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[Comprehend]

And George Bush thinks that God put him in the oval office to "spread democracy" throughout the world.

I guess you're right, we should be very afraid.

would you rather have someone trying to spread democracy or an Iranian intentionally trying to start WWIII?

 

[Comprehend]

How stupid would it be to make the same mistake over and over again?

Is this an answer? It sounds like you just rephrased the question.

 

[jewscout]

allow? IF iran tried to nuke israel...before the rocket were off the ground Tehran would be razed to the ground.

spin the wheel son and see what happens

 

[Comprehend]

allow? IF iran tried to nuke israel...before the rocket were off the ground Tehran would be razed to the ground.

spin the wheel son and see what happens

I hope so.

Knowing the way arabs like to fight though, the nuke might be delivered via backpack. There isn't really much time to respond if they drive the nukes into Israel or launch them from southern lebanon.