How to convert a Hindu

[nameless]

this kind of bitterness is hardly becoming of anyone who professes to have any spiritual understanding

are you the 'god' to decide this?

 

[Maya3]

There is no need to wait to see what TatTvamAsi will do here.
Just go take a look at his older posts. One example is how he feels about converts.

For someone who uses TatTvamAsi as his internet name really has no clue what it means.

Maya

 

[Ashoka]

Just ignore him if he bothers you.

Namaskar.

 

[Ashoka]

Do you believe this is a good thing? I understand the reasons for it. Family members and I were stopped from entering Pashupatinath because we're not ethnically Hindu. The sadhus who were with us refused to enter because of it.

See, there's a schizoid mentality here; India, and especially Nepal, uses the vestiges of its spiritual traditions to milk money from tourists, but still discriminates against ethnic mlecchas. This is not healthy for the reestablishment of Vedic dharma as a global religion, the milking more than the discrimination.

I think it is unfortunate, but since God is everywhere, it does not bother me nearly as much. I think the sadhus refusing to enter was a good idea.

Namaskar.

 

[Sumit]

Truth hurts. However Tat should not post this stuff here because it's of no use as here are very few Indians. But still his each and every point is in this post is totally valid and history supports it.

 

[VajraYosid]

Why does it matter that there are few Indians here?

 

[Vinayaka]

We're way off topic now, but howabout the trend of Tibetan Buddhism gaining traction in China?

I didn't know. Can you fill me in? But maybe on another thread. The dangerous Marxism I referred to earlier wasn't China, by the way, but a trend in TN, Kerala, and elsewhere, where it makes sense. And parts of it do make sense. Other than the idea that violence is the way to achieve it, I'm all for the endpoint ideology of socialism.

 

[Sumit]

Why does it matter that there are few Indians here?

Because only Indian Hindus can solve this problem and most people who are not Hindus by birth will take it in negative sense.

 

[VajraYosid]

Because only Indian Hindus can solve this problem and most people who are not Hindus by birth will take it in negative sense.

You don't think that kind of thing is also the problem?

 

[Sumit]

You don't think that kind of thing is also the problem?

what

 

[VajraYosid]

The belief that only Indian Hindus can address the problems that Hindus, and/or Indians, face?

 

[Kalidas]

The belief that only Indian Hindus can address the problems that Hindus, and/or Indians, face?

That's what it sounded like to me.

 

[Vinayaka]

Because only Indian Hindus can solve this problem and most people who are not Hindus by birth will take it in negative sense.

Clearly, those born in India generally should have a better sense that ones not. But that's just a gereralisation, and doesn't hold true for everyone. Some in India, just because it's so vast, don't really know what's happening on the ground on the other side of India. So strategies to fight conversion will vary from place to place.

I think more Caucasian Hindus should travel to India as it inspires the locals "I thought all white people were either tourists or missionaries." by breaking down the stereotypes. We can also let it be known we don't appreciate deceptive tactics anywhere, and have education here about where the money actually goes. Many givers here are already wary because of the few more scandalous guys who seem to be getting rich off their charity. So there is stuff outsiders can do, like posting on forums like this just to let people know. Maybe somebody reading this will think twice next time about their charity money.

But the main thing we can't do is vote. If dramatic change is to come it will be by the ballot box. Sumit definitely has that part right.

 

[Kalidas]

Clearly, those born in India generally should have a better sense that ones not. But that's just a gereralisation, and doesn't hold true for everyone. Some in India, just because it's so vast, don't really know what's happening on the ground on the other side of India. So strategies to fight conversion will vary from place to place.

I think more Caucasian Hindus should travel to India as it inspires the locals "I thought all white people were either tourists or missionaries." by breaking down the stereotypes. We can also let it be known we don't appreciate deceptive tactics anywhere, and have education here about where the money actually goes. Many givers here are already wary because of the few more scandalous guys who seem to be getting rich off their charity. So there is stuff outsiders can do, like posting on forums like this just to let people know. Maybe somebody reading this will think twice next time about their charity money.

But the main thing we can't do is vote. If dramatic change is to come it will be by the ballot box. Sumit definitely has that part right.

Yes I always do my research before I donate. Like that Koni 2012 when I looked into it you find that children soldiers had been used in that area for many many years and Koni was probably dead. So where was the money going to? I couldn't figure that out so ididnt donate. If it feels like a scam it probably is.

I would love to visit India one day,maybe when I'm done with college and am not downright poor lol.

Yes a political stance sounds best. Like maybe a law that would make charitable organisations show where the money goes?

So what do you all think about Hindu Indians choosing to convert of their own free will without missionary tricks and schemes? I mean I am a convert of my own free will, so can't one in India do the same?

 

[Vinayaka]

So what do you all think about Hindu Indians choosing to convert of their own free will without missionary tricks and schemes?

I believe it can happen, although its probably rare. Why, I would never understand, just like I can't understand homosexuality or what it feels like to have a baby. From my little world SD makes way too much sense to ever even have an inkling of leaving it. I just can't see how anyone could have serious look at the alternative and say, "Hey, this makes a ton of sense."

If it did happen, all the power to them. Whatever turns your crank, as they say.

 

[Sumit]

That's what it sounded like to me.

I just wanted to say that only Hindus living in India can solve this problem because it requires efforts at ground level. Every Hindu must work in their states against conversion. I am working for it and I hope I will send church out of my city in next 5-8 years.

 

[Kalidas]

I believe it can happen, although its probably rare. Why, I would never understand, just like I can't understand homosexuality or what it feels like to have a baby. From my little world SD makes way too much sense to ever even have an inkling of leaving it. I just can't see how anyone could have serious look at the alternative and say, "Hey, this makes a ton of sense."

If it did happen, all the power to them. Whatever turns your crank, as they say.

I see so it is not conversion as a whole that is bad it is the missionary way and how they deceive people to convert.

The odd part is of any of you have read the bible(as I have) Jesus did say to spread the word this is true. Yet he had also said earlier to spread his teachings by our actions. Show them Jesus by acting as him. Yet no where does Jesus pull tricks or even ask people to convert. If you pay close attention the people that follow him came to him he did not come to them. So what these missionaries do is not really Christian (to be christlike)

 

[Kalidas]

I just wanted to say that only Hindus living in India can solve this problem because it requires efforts at ground level. Every Hindu must work in their states against conversion. I am working for it and I hope I will send church out of my city in next 5-8 years.

Ah yes. I can agree to this. Best of luck in spreading the truth.

 

[nameless]

Because only Indian Hindus can solve this problem and most people who are not Hindus by birth will take it in negative sense.

thats not correct.. for example, the only reason why yoga is accepted in all over india is because non-indians accepted it, indians need only that which is approved by non-indians.

Of course, indian hindus do have advantage when it comes to certain other things, they have power and voice in there, also can influence friends, relatives etc.

 

[Vinayaka]

I see so it is not conversion as a whole that is bad it is the missionary way and how they deceive people to convert.

The odd part is of any of you have read the bible(as I have) Jesus did say to spread the word this is true. Yet he had also said earlier to spread his teachings by our actions. Show them Jesus by acting as him. Yet no where does Jesus pull tricks or even ask people to convert. If you pay close attention the people that follow him came to him he did not come to them. So what these missionaries do is not really Christian (to be christlike)

But this still misses the point to some degree. The core philosophy is entirely different. There are some very core belief differences. So no matter what, you get confused if you mix them. Nobody should be in the business of creating confusion. I will not read the bible because I don't want to get confused. I'm confused enough already as it is.