How to die safely?

[QuestioningMind]

Dying as an atheist sounds kind of risky and potentially hazardous to one's health.

According to Muslims, dying as a Christian , Buddhist, Hindu, or a Jew is a hazardous to one's health. According to Christians, dying a Muslim, Jew, or a non-Christian is not a safe way to die..

Yet all of them are convinced with certainty that they have the truth. Who on Earth do I listen to? What is your idea of a way to die that ensures your safety and security?

What happens after we die is an unknown and it is not possible to ever have certainty about an unknown. Thus it would be foolish to accept anyone's claim of certainty about what happens after we die. You are at no greater 'risk' than those who pretend like they have knowledge of the unknowable.

 

[SalixIncendium]

And just when I thought you were catching on...

Are you disappointed?

No, that concept is not applicable to my original comment. In an absolutely universal sense, dying will ALWAYS be inherently risky.

By our deductions in our exchange, practically anything carries an inherent risk to varying degrees. Death is no different. Therefore, by your reasoning, you've rendered you concept of death always being inherently risky rather pointless.

Also, I think I've demonstrated in our exchange that your suggestion that death always be inherently risky to be flawed as well.

 

[Politesse]

Die an honourable death, and hope that an honourable god will acquit you of heresies. What more could one do?

 

[Axe Elf]

Are you disappointed?

To the extent that it entails an ongoing exchange of trivialities, yes.

By our deductions in our exchange, practically anything carries an inherent risk to varying degrees. Death is no different. Therefore, by your reasoning, you've rendered you concept of death always being inherently risky rather pointless.

Take from it what is useful to you, and leave the rest for someone else.

Like the Grateful Dead's Box of Rain; "believe it if you need it, if you don't just pass it on."

Also, I think I've demonstrated in our exchange that your suggestion that death always be inherently risky to be flawed as well.

I would disagree, but as so often happens on these forums, opinions vary.

 

[Trailblazer]

Im happy with my life, dying is not a problem to this atheist. I know {roughly} what will happen to my molecules and atoms. Life goes on.

This is something I have noticed in people in general, especially atheists. If they are happy with their lives then they do not care about any possible afterlife. But that does not seem logical to me, because we all get older and we will all die someday, so IF there is an afterlife, it makes sense to know something about it and prepare for it.'

Most of my close friends are on forums and most of them are atheists. They do not like talking about the afterlife because they do not think there is any possibility that it exists, so I don't bring it up anymore unless they do.

I could make my life better on a material level if I chose to think more about the material world, because I am quite wealthy by most standards and I have good health and a nice husband. I could retire right now and travel the world if I chose to; but I am not interested in the material world, I am only interested in my animals and people I care about, or any other people who I could assist on their own spiritual journey.

Speaking of people, I am really happy right now because an atheist forum owner with whom I had a falling out last spring and I have made amends and he just invited me back to his forum and made a private folder for me and one of my other friend so we could talk privately, away from his other forum posters who used to give me a bad time about my religion. I really like this forum owner, he is a physicist, has a PhD in Physics and teaches at a college. I highly respect him as a person because of his character and he cares about people, society and the environment, things that also matter to me. I do not care if he believes in God, that does not matter. I am just happy to have him back as a friend. I do not have any family except my husband and a brother I never talk to anymore, so friends are really important. Mine are all on forums and for some reason, I gravitate more to atheists than to beleivers.

Back to the afterlife, that is one thing I am sure of. Of course I cannot prove it exists, but there is a lot of evidence, more than just scriptures of religions. Although this evidence is not scientific, scientists are working on that and I think that in the future science will be able to provide some evidence, even if not proof. This new age is an exciting time to be living in and many new things will be discovered. Science is very interesting to me but I was never good at it in college. Geography and psychology are where I made my niche.

 

[wandering peacefully]

Dying as an atheist sounds kind of risky and potentially hazardous to one's health.

According to Muslims, dying as a Christian , Buddhist, Hindu, or a Jew is a hazardous to one's health. According to Christians, dying a Muslim, Jew, or a non-Christian is not a safe way to die..

Yet all of them are convinced with certainty that they have the truth. Who on Earth do I listen to? What is your idea of a way to die that ensures your safety and security?

If you are dead it doesn't matter what you think.
What matters is what you learn while you are alive. And how you use your knowledge to help yourself and others.

 

[Trailblazer]

If not physical, then what form will this body be in?

It will be a spiritual body comprised of spiritual elements that exist in the spiritual realm. We cannot understand what that will be like from this physical world vantage point, since all we can understand is the physical reality.

“The nature of the soul after death can never be described, nor is it meet and permissible to reveal its whole character to the eyes of men.........
The world beyond is as different from this world as this world is different from that of the child while still in the womb of its mother. When the soul attaineth the Presence of God, it will assume the form that best befitteth its immortality and is worthy of its celestial habitation.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 156-157​

 

[Trailblazer]

I would! I want to be able to actually embrace my loved ones again, not merely feel their presence. I want to be able to look into their eyes and hold their hands. That's what I want and what I believe I'll have.

Imo, the reason you think you could not be close to your loved ones without a physical body is because that is all you are familiar with, a physical body. However, there are good reasons to believe that we can actually be closer to our loved ones in a spiritual body than a physical one. These kinds of communications come through mediums who have communicated with spirits in the world beyond.

Now would I want a mortal body forever? No way! I don't want a body that is prone to illness or injury or death. I want a corporeal body, but one that is sustained by spirit, not blood. I want my body to be perfect and immortal. Yup!

That is the kind of body you will have, a spiritual body, a form of some kind that resembles your physical body but has no physical needs. You cannot have it both ways, a physical body AND a spiritual body, those are mutually exclusive.

Where did Christianity ever come up with this idea of a corporeal body? How is that actually supported by scriptures?

 

[wandering peacefully]

If you are dead it doesn't matter what you think.
What matters is what you learn while you are alive. And how you use your knowledge to help yourself and others.

I apologize. The topic seems to have moved on.

This is one reason it becomes tedious to answer interesting questions. For people who have a very limited amount of time to visit and respond where interest lies, if the last posts in the thread have moved on to another topic, the contribution of thoughts about the op seems out of place and irrelevant.

 

[Trailblazer]

If you are dead it doesn't matter what you think.

It does matter if you have a soul that lives on and continues to think after your body dies physically.

What matters is what you learn while you are alive. And how you use your knowledge to help yourself and others.

That is absolutely true because that is the whole purpose of this earthly existence.

It is good to know something about what lies beyond the material world, but even if you don't know you will be okay after you die, if you lived according to your purpose... IMHO.

 

[Trailblazer]

I apologize. The topic seems to have moved on.

This is one reason it becomes tedious to answer interesting questions. For people who have a very limited amount of time to visit and respond where interest lies, if the last posts in the thread have moved on to another topic, the contribution of thoughts about the op seems out of place and irrelevant.

It does not really matter if the topic has shifted a bit. Your opinions are always most welcome.

 

[Spiderman]

It does not really matter if the topic has shifted a bit. Your opinions are always most welcome.

I don't care if anyone derails any of my threads

 

[Bird123]

Dying as an atheist sounds kind of risky and potentially hazardous to one's health.

According to Muslims, dying as a Christian , Buddhist, Hindu, or a Jew is a hazardous to one's health. According to Christians, dying a Muslim, Jew, or a non-Christian is not a safe way to die..

Yet all of them are convinced with certainty that they have the truth. Who on Earth do I listen to? What is your idea of a way to die that ensures your safety and security?

Life is about LIVING. That is why the fear of death exists. You are not meant to avoid LIVING. Concentrate on living and the rest will take care of itself.

I really do not understand dying safely. Since we are all Eternal, death is no more than a Change.

As I see it, life is about Learning and Growing. Choices are a big part of this Learning. Be who you must. It's a part of the plan. Choosing is far too important to allow others to make those choices for you. Listen to the advice of others but choose your own path. Life's lessons are best learned that way.

Relax. It's all going to be OK.

 

[Cacotopia]

Dying is risk free, you get one try and I hear not existing is like a state of being before birth, you simply are unaware. Doesn't sound too terrible having zero consciousness.

 

[Trailblazer]

Dying is risk free, you get one try and I hear not existing is like a state of being before birth, you simply are unaware. Doesn't sound too terrible having zero consciousness.

You will have consciousness, it is just a matter of what you will be conscious OF.
Whatever you were conscious of in this life will go with you, it is just like going into another room and taking yourself along.

 

[Altfish]

Dying as an atheist sounds kind of risky and potentially hazardous to one's health.

As far as I know most atheists die in the same way as theists.
The only difference is that atheists have no expectation of an afterlife. Hence we make the most of this one.

 

[Trailblazer]

As far as I know most atheists die in the same way as theists.
The only difference is that atheists have no expectation of an afterlife. Hence we make the most of this one.

I guess you mean that you value this life more because you think it is the only life you will have.... I can understand how that would be the case.
I cannot even imagine not having an afterlife because I have always believed in one, not because I want one... The great beyond is very scary to me.

 

[Altfish]

I guess you mean that you value this life more because you think it is the only life you will have.... I can understand how that would be the case.
I cannot even imagine not having an afterlife because I have always believed in one, not because I want one... The great beyond is very scary to me.

Yes, I do think I am very lucky to have been given this opportunity of life.
I always look at death like this...Where was I in 1850? I wasn't born, I didn't exist. When I die it will be similar but hopefully my offspring will remember me, occasionally look at photos of me and reminisce fondly.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes, I do think I am very lucky to have been given this opportunity of life.
I always look at death like this...Where was I in 1850? I wasn't born, I didn't exist. When I die it will be similar but hopefully my offspring will remember me, occasionally look at photos of me and reminisce fondly.

We all have different lives so some people feel lucky to be alive, some not so much.
At least you have offspring, imagine not having anyone to remember you or even come to your funeral.
Odd, you the atheist who is grateful for the life you have been given and me the believer who is not.
Go ahead God, punish me more than you have already.

 

[Cacotopia]

You will have consciousness, it is just a matter of what you will be conscious OF.
Whatever you were conscious of in this life will go with you, it is just like going into another room and taking yourself along.

Why would I trust some person that has never experienced death? Not near death let's get that clear first, you have just as much knowledge about what happens after we die as everyone else, which is zero.

It's false hope saying you know what you don't factually know, and telling people with some kind of authority of what will happen. That nonsense truly tees me off.

Oh don't prepare for death, it's a different state of consciousness.

Please.