1Thess 4:16-17,
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
From that point on we will be with the Lord. God will then return to dealing with Israel which dealing is outlined in Revelations. Revelations tells how God will finally fulfill all the promises He made to Israel. Chapter 19 of revelations tells of Jesus coming from heaven on a white horse. Remember, prior to all this Christians had been gathered together with Jesus and told we would be with him from that time on. So if he comes on a white horse, I would have to say we will be coming with him. Revelation 19:14 mentions armies that come with him. Putting two and two together, it is clear that Christians will form at least part of that army.
It is an interesting subject to study, the four horsemen of the apocalypse. Why? Because the ride of Jesus comes first. The others follow in quick succession. These horsemen are the fulfillment of Matthew 24....the sign of Jesus "presence" (parousia) as he is now ruling as King. It is not an event seen by us but felt in the events triggered by the ride of these symbolic horesmen.
The prophet Daniel saw in vision the enthronement of God's king but it was not seen by any human. (Daniel 7:13-14)
It is our belief that Christ has been ruling since the "last days" of this world began in 1914 with the WW1.
We also believe that this is when that commanding call was issued for the "dead in Christ" to "rise first".
Among Jehovah's people, there are very few of the anointed 144,000 left on the earth, the majority already having received their resurrection and their place in the heavenly Kingdom. Jesus prepared a place for them, and he came at that time to call them "home". When it comes time for the final judgment, Jesus will bring all his anointed ones with him and then collect the remaining ones still alive on earth and the "marriage" of the Lamb to his bride will be complete. Then he and his angelic forces will deal with the devil and all those who followed his lead.
Isa 61:2,
To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
Jesus was correct in saying that his first appearance was "the acceptable year of the Lord" but he would have been dead wrong had he continued reading. He knew the day of vengeance was yet to come and was therefore not fulfilled as he read the scroll in the temple that day. Again, notice that comma in the phrase, "acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance." That comma represents our present dispensation of grace.
You are aware of why you were asked about the comma. There were no capital letters or punctuation in the Greek. Any and all such are placed there by the translators. So using commas to determine anything is rather futile unless the truth is gleaned from other scripture.
e.g. Luke 23:42-43....
KJV..."And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."
NASB..." And he was saying, “Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!” 43 And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.”
ESV..."And he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” 43 And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
You see the placement of the comma? What is Jesus telling this evildoer who was hung alongside of him?
Is he telling him that he will be in heaven with Jesus that day? The placement of the comma suggests that but this is not backed up by the rest of the Bible. Jesus was in his tomb for three days after his execution. He was not resurrected or "made alive" till then....(Matthew 12:40)...so the evildoer would not have been anywhere with Jesus that day. In fact Jesus never mentioned heaven...he said "paradise". This man was not a Christian who had 'stuck with Jesus in his trials' and being rewarded for his faith....he was a criminal deserving of death and Jesus promise was about his future resurrection of the "righteous and the unrighteous" (John 5:28-29) under God's kingdom in paradise on earth.
The NWT renders it this way...."Then he said: “Jesus, remember me when you get into your Kingdom.” 43 And he said to him: “Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise.”
The placement of the comma puts Jesus statement in harmony with what the whole Bible teaches about the Kingdom and what it will accomplish on earth. (Matthew 6:9-10)
Nobody, not even Jesus knows how long this age will last (Matt 24:36, Mark 13:32), but when it is over, Jesus will return and set things straight once again. The new heavens and new earth will be established.
I agree that Jesus did not know the full picture whilst in the flesh at that time, but I do believe that he would have been fully informed of all things on his return to his Father.
As a side note it is interesting that in Luke 4:17 we are told that Jesus "found the place where it is written" in the scroll. Those scrolls had no chapters, no verses, no punctuation of any sort, not even spaces between words. How difficult it would be to find anything in such a document. I think Jesus studied well and knew the scriptures like none other before him or after him. What a guy!
Absolutely! As a young child of 12 he was in the Temple questioning the teachers and they were amazed at his understanding. He was perfect after all. But he also had the holy spirit guiding everything he did.
As another side note, The word heavens needs to be understood by the modern West. In the orient heaven was considered as anything above the ground (earth), not as some far away who knows what or where. Genesis (and other places) speak of birds flying in the heavens. I've yet to learn of a bird that went through the stratosphere! Birds will still be in heaven, people will still be on the earth in the new creation. The word "heaven" would be a good word study.
Yes, it can get confusing but we have had extensive studies on these things. You might find this useful....
Heaven — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
Sorry about the length of this again but there is so much to discuss.
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