How to Overthrow the US Government. By Marxist.org. 1980

[Twilight Hue]

Mankind is screwed up. Mankind screws up every form of government in my opinion.

True. At some point things always seems to go haywire at some point and the quest for the 'greener grass' on the other side begins.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I can speak for my own country. If my people gets wild, the army will not surely side with the élites residing in those luxurious palaces.
Those élites are unarmed, because we have no second amendment.
So they can't even defend themselves.

I think that if there is a Government that imposes something to its citizens (like "you must remain in the EU" or similar), the people will rise against the Government, sooner or later.

If history is any indication of that.

Like they say, the fight for peoples freedoms never end because there will always be someone in power to want to take it away from others.

 

[PureX]

I can speak for my own country. If my people gets wild, the army will not surely side with the élites residing in those luxurious palaces.
Those élites are unarmed, because we have no second amendment.
So they can't even defend themselves.

I think that if there is a Government that imposes something to its citizens (like "you must remain in the EU" or similar), the people will rise against the Government, sooner or later.

Armies have traditionally sided with whomever paid them. So I wouldn't be so sure if I were you. I would like to believe that the military in the U. S. would never turn on it's own citizens, but the truth is that one never knows. People can be incredibly stupid and greedy. Many U. S. citizens have already turned on each other to the point that they would be capable of almost anything.

 

[Estro Felino]

Armies have traditionally sided with whomever paid them. So I wouldn't be so sure if I were you. I would like to believe that the military in the U. S. would never turn on it's own citizens, but the truth is that one never knows. People can be incredible stupid and greedy. Many U. S. citizens have already turned on each other to the point that they would be capable of almost anything.

Indeed. Do you really think that underpaid soldiers will side with those who became millionaires thanks to a treacherous Bankers' dictatorship in Frankfurt?
Or will they side with fellow citizens who have a modest salary, as they do?
No...they are not Judas. They will not be bought off with the thirty pieces of silver.
I know my people very well.

 

[vulcanlogician]

Notice the parallels to what is going on today?

tl;dr (I made it about two pages in.)

What parallels exactly? I mean, this article was authored by tankies in the 1980s (when the USSR was still a superpower). Even a lot of modern day Marxists would be dismissive and/or apprehensive about what much of this article says.

 

[Nakosis]

Capitalism Destablized – How Do We Prepare To Overthrow the U.S. Government

Pretty spooky.

Notice the parallels to what is going on today?

People accused the right wing.

What about the left wing?

Marxism seems to no longer to be the main stream socialist agenda.

Now it is more a regulation of capitalism to provide for the less fortunate.
Though I think it would benefit the left to distance themselves from identity politics.
Same as the right should put some distance from religious ideology.
Then perhaps they could find some common ground.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Capitalism Destablized – How Do We Prepare To Overthrow the U.S. Government

Pretty spooky.

Notice the parallels to what is going on today?

People accused the right wing.

What about the left wing?

In the past we had socialist party candidates running for president . That has been a while. It's a nothingburger. People just want us to be able catch up to the other developed nations. That is not socialism.

 

[SomeRandom]

Capitalism Destablized – How Do We Prepare To Overthrow the U.S. Government

Pretty spooky.

Notice the parallels to what is going on today?

People accused the right wing.

What about the left wing?

Resistance is futile comrade.
Besides the commies throw much better parties

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

It's not the right wing that wrote this article/statement.

I don't care who wrote it. The whataboutisms are doing nothing to excuse the active harm that Conservatives are doing.

Just pointing out the intentions of the left wing are just as valid and revelant as fears from the right wing are.

Name some REAL fears and threats coming from the Left.

 

[Revoltingest]

It is an especially ironic charge considering that for the better part of the last century, capitalist regimes have gone to great lengths to subvert, overthrow, and sometimes invade their socialist and communist counterparts. Capitalist countries attempted to invade Cuba, invaded Vietnam, and tried to overthrow socialist or communist regimes in Cuba, Venezuela, and the USSR—not out of concern for human rights but for geopolitical gain.

Capitalist regimes have always made enemies out of socialist and communist ones before turning around and pretending to be the victim when they are called out on their subversive interventionism and desire for hegemony.

The animosity & subversion flows in both directions.

Mankind is screwed up. Mankind screws up every form of government in my opinion.

If you lower your expectations for mankind, then it
doesn't look so screwed up. Remember what K
said to J.

This is why government & economic systems must be
designed to be fault-tolerant of human shortcomings.
It's like designing machinery...
My goal is never perfection (which is a false illusion).
Just the optimization of good enuf.

 

[Debater Slayer]

The animosity & subversion flows in both directions.

Yes, but the malice in military policy has largely been from the capitalist side (and the USSR, to a lesser extent). Vietnam, China, Cuba, and Venezuela have largely kept to themselves militarily.

 

[PureX]

Indeed. Do you really think that underpaid soldiers will side with those who became millionaires thanks to a treacherous Bankers' dictatorship in Frankfurt?

Yes. I do. And they'll justify it by telling themselves, "I'm just looking out for me and mine". Many won't justify it at all. They'll just rape and pillage because they can. When societies collapse, and turn on themselves, the law and the ideals that make them tend to go out the window. That's when the bully-boys come out of hiding and seize their chance to run amok. And there are MANY of them lurking in every army.

Or will they side with fellow citizens who have a modest salary, as they do?

Let's hope to God we never have to find out.

No...they are not Judas. They will not be bought off with the thirty pieces of silver.
I know my people very well.

I don't think anyone knows anyone when the laws are gone.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, but the malice in military foreign policy has largely been from the capitalist side (and the USSR, to a lesser extent). Vietnam, China, Cuba, and Venezuela have largely kept to themselves militarily.

You sure have a different view of China's
& USSR's military foreign adventurism.
We've no common ground on this.

 

[Estro Felino]

Let's hope to God we never have to find out.
I don't think anyone knows anyone when the laws are gone.

I want to tell you an anecdote. Once a president of the Republic refused to appoint the Prime Minister who resulted victorious in the recent elections. Totally unconstitutional.
On Twitter, On social media, everywhere, thousands of people threatened to assault the Royal Palace, and I have heard they would not be alone.
Two days later, the president accepted to appoint the Souverainist Prime Minister designated by the Parliamentarians.

 

[Debater Slayer]

You sure have a different view of China's
& USSR's military foreign adventurism.
We've no common ground on this.

I included the USSR in the more aggressive category.

As for China, it depends on how far back we go: they got into numerous wars before the Vietnam War, but after that one, how many major conflicts have they been in? I'm under no illusion that it's for lack of malice, to be sure, but I'll take non-military malice over the military version any day of the week.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I don't care who wrote it. The whataboutisms are doing nothing to excuse the active harm that Conservatives are doing.


Name some REAL fears and threats coming from the Left.

Rampant unchecked spending that's destroying the economy. Intentionally imo.

Forced mandates that do nothing but removes people's right to choose and exasperating the markets at the same time. (Both sides considering the abortion mandates )

Allowing illegals/undocumented to vote, drive, and and loosing the security of the election process.

Sabotaging a working healthcare system.

Want some more real threats Democrats are posing to this nation?

 

[vulcanlogician]

Rampant unchecked spending that's destroying the economy. Intentionally imo.

Forced mandates that do nothing but removes people's right to choose and exasperating the markets at the same time. (Both sides considering the abortion mandates )

Allowing illegals/undocumented to vote, drive, and and loosing the security of the election process.

Sabotaging a working healthcare system.

Want some more real threats Democrats are posing to this nation?

The only real threat that the left might pose (from your list) is unchecked spending. But I don't think it's intentional, nor do I think all spending proposed by the left is bad.

You have been told to fear undocumented workers the same way the Nazis told the German people to fear the Jews. Conservatives try to stampede their base into defending their policies with tactics like that. You are being manipulated.

And nobody is trying to sabotage our healthcare system. It obviously needs improvements, and certain leftist policies aim to enact reforms that improve the quality of healthcare for the average person.

 

[sun rise]

Yawn. Nothingburger city.

 

[Secret Chief]

Sabotaging a working healthcare system.

You jest. The RotW continues to look on with pity. Why? :


"Healthcare in the United States is far outspent than any other nation, measured both in per capita spending and as a percentage of GDP. Despite this, the country has significantly worse healthcare outcomes when compared to peer nations. The US is the only developed nation without a system of universal healthcare, with a large proportion of its population not carrying health insurance, a substantial factor in the country's excess mortality."

- Healthcare in the United States - Wikipedia


And before you say it, this has nothing to do with Biden, or Democrats, it's a longterm view.

 

[Father Heathen]

It's not the right wing that wrote this article/statement.

Just pointing out the intentions of the left wing are just as valid and revelant as fears from the right wing are.

Except Marxists are a very tiny, irrelevant fringe. The vast majority of left-leaning Americans don't identify as such, and the Democratic party is actually right of center by global standards.
So no, your straw bogeyman is neither valid nor relevant.