How to prove God.

[rational experiences]

Every human is a human.

We lie.

We defined we lie. We know we lie.

Sex is why any one of us is here. Human sex.

Human babies were OUR parent. Grown babies.

The first human in manifest human first life as the first parent died.

We all know we die. No argument.

Yet we say father is God.

Why?

Reason father the man adult our brother invented the thesis sciences of God about God.

I learnt by experience as I tested the spirits myself. Each human first is origin. A baby. Holy as that baby. Can think for self. We say prove it. About anything.

We say I read studies. Hear stories yet I live personal as one holy baby self experience. As an adult. Once an innocent baby.

Once I had a vision.

One of many gained my whole life.

Not asked or demanded just received.

I heard a female daughter crying memory our father had been lost to us. In spirit info it said our brother had harmed our fathers life.

A man.
A human.
A spiritual life and adult body. Harmed.

Heard it. I cried too it was a meaningful statement. It affected me.

So as a first origin I see human. I observe natural. I live naturally. I was given visions as I naturally live. I looked. I observed. Origin science human in origin form is aware.

I did not study to thesis for design invention as controlled built reaction.
Instead I experienced spiritually by science. First observations natural.

First observations.

I got irradiated by burning gases falling to ground. I was told what happened. I am psychic proven by multi experiences. It hurt. My brain burnt. It prickles. So I said my brother your sacrifice.

I am taught. I know you. How cruel.

I saw brown black wisping smoke outside. I want to run screaming as my brain burnt. I learnt. I am a human equal to any human.

So I looked at my family lying. I am angry. I have personal rights to be angry.

Any self is one small cell a sperm and an ovary.

I know in science I am not nor ever was my parent self. As a human... I saw science lying. Not first observation. Theorising only.

So I look at science wondering are you looking for your sperm your ovary? Your owned small origins!

I wonder why you lie. You are only human.

I began to dream seeing my family dying and suffering. I saw visions of the past ages. I saw science of the past. I saw science destroying life.

I cry.
I pray to father who I never believed in. Because my father was a baby to adult father. Only first babies owned first parents. I had seen too much hatred to believe in humans anymore.

Father knowingly comforts me. Our real father the first father.

I was once so afraid.

My fear is gone. I believe in him.

He told me he walked out of the eternal direct into earths atmosphere. The opened tunnel we describe is a spiral G of a circle O and said it GOD.

Not God as a man but from spirit eternal he became a lesser self. A human. He was first memory as our consciousness human. Why we thought he was a God.

He is our true father. Spiritual as it's highest.

He told me earth by man is said stated in creation to be 0 zero ground state. As above us gas burning in a vacuum is NOT zero.

We walked with God. We don't fly off.

 

[F1fan]

I hope this is not off the topic. I don't think it is, but I glanced at a book written by a doctor (supposedly a well-educated person) who claimed to have died and in her dead state she spoke to an angel. I didn't read much of the book, just a few sentences, but enough to get the gist. Do I believe she spoke to an angel while she was dead? No, I do not. Do I believe her brain was not functioning properly? Yes, I do.

There's two types of death, there's clinical death where vital body functions cease, like breathing and the heart pumping blood, and then there's brain death where the brain has suffered damage from a lack of oxygen and can no longer operate the body. Those who suffer clinical death can be revived and suffer little or no effects. This does put stress on the body and brains. The many NDE's where supernatural phenomenon is supposed experienced is more likely a brain under stress and having a sort of dream event. Since most have heard about gods and angels and the tunnel of light to heaven, etc. it's not a far fetch that these brains are setting up these experiences as a means to cope.

Do I also believe she was visited by an angel, but not from God? That is also possible.

Anything a person can imagine will seem possible. But is it probable or plausible?

 

[F1fan]

Still Near Death Experiences are interesting in that many of them are about the unconscious giving verifiable evidence of what happened while they were unconscious or what happened in another room etc.
From you pov that could no doubt be spirits deceiving the person but from a scientific pov it should show that there is something, a spirit, that can leave the body and be conscious and come back to the body, imo.
Either way, deceiving spirits or a conscious spirit leaving the body, it shows the spiritual realm to be real.
So what does science do, try to show that it is all in a person's head.

Well that would be a conclusion AFTER data is accumulated. So what experiment can test NDE? Well many claim floating above the room, so there were signs put on top of cabinets in trauma rooms. Those having NDE and actually leaving their bodies will be able to see these signs. This would be evidence that a spirit actually leaves the body and has sensors ability. Thus far no NDE has been able to give a correct answer.

 

[Trailblazer]

They gave different answers to others, eg, Norse,
Greeks, Romans, Hindus, etc. Perhaps you just
forgot to carry the 1 in your calculation?

"He" did not say anything to any of them except the Hindus who interpreted One to mean Many.

 

[Trailblazer]

Those having NDE and actually leaving their bodies will be able to see these signs. This would be evidence that a spirit actually leaves the body and has sensors ability. Thus far no NDE has been able to give a correct answer.

I guess you have not read about all the NDEs.

Near-Death Experiences Evidence for Their Reality

 

[Revoltingest]

"He" did not say anything to any of them except the Hindus who interpreted One to mean Many.

"One" means many, eh.
That sure differs from what I read.
Still, counting the number of gods anyone
has appears to have no sound footing.

 

[Trailblazer]

"One" means many, eh.
That sure differs from what I read.
Still, counting the number of gods anyone
has appears to have no sound footing.

Counting the number of gods anyone believes in has no sound footing because people believe in all kinds of things, but that does not mean they actually exist.

 

[osgart]

How to prove God? Let's see I know for existence to exist there must be an infinite eternal self existing reality because absolute nothing produces absolutely nothing.

It is very likely the universe is not eternal and self existing and that it had an absolute beginning.

I know that only intelligence can produce something intelligent.

However an omnieverything God is a hard entity to hide. And there is no such being or entity that comes to the senses.

Intelligence is a phenomenon that is existing in nature without a mind working in the intelligence that produces mind.

The hard problem of consciousness definitely exists. And not only is there consciousness but also there is the elusive subject of consciousness, the self.

I have found that there is objective morality for those who desire a quality of life beyond tribal competition and war. Yet nature itself regards no morality whatsoever.

A limitless God would resolve all evil and suffering, and create a better proving ground for any created beings.

The universe behaves in such a way that it most likely evolved to be fine tuned by some form of intelligence.

So I must stop way short of a God. The bridges to God fall way short. This is as far as I have gotten.

God is a placeholder awaiting better explanations.

 

[F1fan]

I guess you have not read about all the NDEs.

Near-Death Experiences Evidence for Their Reality

The question hasn't been if people have some sort of experience, but whether if consciousness exists outside of brains, and sensory data is somehow attained without sensory organs. The conclusion is there's something going on and it isn't identified or explained. It doesn't conclude a supernatural.

 

[Trailblazer]

So I must stop way short of a God. The bridges to God fall way short. This is as far as I have gotten.

God is a placeholder awaiting better explanations.

I was wondering about you just yesterday and then you showed up.

But what would those explanations be? I was about to post a thread related to that and I will as soon as I take a shower and get some coffee. I don't have any answers on my new thread, just questions, but I might have answers to those questions if people ask.

 

[Trailblazer]

The conclusion is there's something going on and it isn't identified or explained. It doesn't conclude a supernatural.

That's true, it is inconclusive. I do not consider the NDEs to be proof of an afterlife but they are subject for further research.

 

[osgart]

I was wondering about you just yesterday and then you showed up.

But what would those explanations be? I was about to post a thread related to that and I will as soon as I take a shower and get some coffee. I don't have any answers on my new thread, just questions, but I might have answers to those questions if people ask.

I kind of got tired of religion so I have not been on much.

Always good to hear from you Trailblazer!

 

[Trailblazer]

I kind of got tired of religion so I have not been on much.

Always good to hear from you Trailblazer!

I too am tired of religion but I am stuck with God and I like people so I am still here.

 

[rational experiences]

Well that would be a conclusion AFTER data is accumulated. So what experiment can test NDE? Well many claim floating above the room, so there were signs put on top of cabinets in trauma rooms. Those having NDE and actually leaving their bodies will be able to see these signs. This would be evidence that a spirit actually leaves the body and has sensors ability. Thus far no NDE has been able to give a correct answer.

Actually radiation that eventuates causes into human age sickness or bio death as we survive only caused it.

Thesis a human consumes energy foods to stay alive is no science constant. Rationally. Factual radiation attacks removes the ability energy use. Always was known by scientist. Extra radiation removed existence.

Recording of animate inanimate is psychic reckoning as life records. Heavens owns recording science machines use it themselves.

We become more aware in particular living conditions body changes.

The objects recorded placed on propose to study concluded humans are advised of outside recordings via feedback. Recorded. Without physical leaving the body did not disappear.

The study Jesus and bahuallah disappeared themes. I want to know mentality all things.

As all bodies get atmospheric recorded that transmit back information that allows a human to know they are a self experience and not co joined to anything else.

Science by human designer machine causes caused phenomena conditions to be expressed by their scientific meddling extra radiation effect earth converting mass which is proven as they meddle.

As they use machines to study.

Always claiming I personally will get a higher understanding. Incorporating psychic and spiritual in science and many times jealous of brothers or sisters who own phenomena conditions.

And wanted it themselves so think science will give it to them. As the organisation believes in spirit.

As they look at a dying human as their observed self answer. For theirselves rationally.

To infer it data for science machines and science thesis.

Science studying data infer it can be used. Yet we are not living NDE are we.

The sort of humans reviewing humans as human motivated thesis that proved intention is not holy.

Human reason. Science never owned the light constant the heavens vacuum did.

Science said light constant supports life survival.

Extra radiation science caused phenomena is their studies. Not any light supporting constant.

Not natural human aware causes what the intention study is about.

As it is not normal it is conditional to causes.

Consciousness should be natural mind psyche aware support to live exist survive and be healthy only.

 

[Truthseeker]

I do not consider all anger a human failing, it depends upon why you are angry. Righteous indignation over an injustice you observe is not a human failing.

An injustice yes. I don't think arrogance applies there. It could be termed that here there is an injustice towards truth here, but that is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[Trailblazer]

An injustice yes. I don't think arrogance applies there. It could be termed that here there is an injustice towards truth here, but that is in the eye of the beholder.

I agree, I don't think that arrogance applied here so I am glad you straightened that out.
It just goes to show we can all be wrong, and it is good when we can see it and admit it.

 

[joelr]

I believe there is a simple way to prove God. It may seem too simplistic at first, but that's not the intention.
Throughout my life, there have been times when I have called out to God whilst being in mortal danger, and He saved me. When I pray, He answers without fail and shows me that He is listening. When I was younger, I required evidence (Christian apologetics) to reinforce my faith in God. Now, I don't need that to know that my God is real, He has proven Himself to me.
To those who are skeptical of the idea of God, the way to prove God is this. Allow yourself to suspend your skepticism momentarily and ask God (however you understand God) to reveal Himself to you. My God answers without fail.
To both the skeptic and the believer, this methodology may seem silly. The believer might say "God has revealed Himself completely through the Bible! We are not to test Him, He does not reveal Himself in the present day."
If a skeptic is on the fence as to whether God is real or not, let them do this. Simply ask God to reveal Himself. God will prove Himself to you.

Did it with Christianity as a teenager and it worked. In my 20's it worked with Hinduism. In my 30's it worked really well with the Law of Attraction.
Then I dated a Hindu and later someone in Islam who both knew in their hearts that they were in a relationship with their divinity and their religion and version was the literal correct one.

Then I realized that through confirmation bias, psychology and whatever else we use, people can fool themselves into believing anything.
A cult in the 90's all committed suicide so they could ride in a passing by alien ship that would take their souls. They were all convinced enough to die. At the least people can convince themselves a God is revealing himself, there is no doubt in this.

If you think a God saves people during mortal danger please explain why mortality rates for illness remains constant? If people were being saved from terminal illness on a regular basis, plotting probability mortality rates would be impossible.
They would be all over the place. A cancer that has a 20% survival rate would show 50% one year, then 70%, then maybe 25% then 99%.
Yet if something has a 20% survival rate and you look at large numbers of cases it always trends towards 20% the higher number of cases you look at.
We only see changes during medical advances.
So there cannot possibly be any significant supernatural healings going on.

When you were in mortal danger, was there a chance that you could survive? Or were you falling from a space station?
Did you bother to look up how many other people actually DID DIE from a similar event and realize you just happened to be one of the people who made it?
What is the percentage of survival in your mortal danger situation? Can you be specific? Being non-specific is how people are able to fool themselves into thinking magic saved them.

 

[Brian2]

They gave different answers to others, eg, Norse,
Greeks, Romans, Hindus, etc. Perhaps you just
forgot to carry the 1 in your calculation?

Assuming god/s it appears that they disagree with each other about most things.
There is only one creator of the physical universe however. That one is the true God, the creator of the harmonious universe that fits the description He gives.

 

[Revoltingest]

Assuming god/s it appears that they disagree with each other about most things.
There is only one creator of the physical universe however. That one is the true God, the creator of the harmonious universe that fits the description He gives.

To claim a specific number of gods,
you must show your calculations.

 

[an anarchist]

I used to do this as a kid. I'd say "Surely God, you know what would convince me. Just give me that if you're real and then I'd know."

It never happened.

I urge you to keep a perpetual open mind! I’m confident that if you do, somewhere down the line God will reveal Himself to you. Simply remain open to the possibility of His existence. I would go as far to say that you are justified in waiting for Him to reveal Himself. However, deciding firmly that He is not real, I personally believe this is detrimental in pursuit of truth.