How to prove God.

[Brian2]

Well that would be a conclusion AFTER data is accumulated. So what experiment can test NDE? Well many claim floating above the room, so there were signs put on top of cabinets in trauma rooms. Those having NDE and actually leaving their bodies will be able to see these signs. This would be evidence that a spirit actually leaves the body and has sensors ability. Thus far no NDE has been able to give a correct answer.

Not all NDEs are about floating above the room. Someone who has had an NDE and does not know the answer does not show what you claim. However someone who knows the answer could show that something left the body and floated. (unless it was a deception in the person's brain from satan imo)
It is I guess typical of science wanting to repeat an NDE experience (a bit like repeating a miracles or it is not true)
Does a bunch of people who do not have OBEs mean that those who have had that and know things written on the top of cabinets or things that happened in another room were lying, even if what they said was verified and there was not way for them to know except with an OBE?

 

[F1fan]

Not all NDEs are about floating above the room. Someone who has had an NDE and does not know the answer does not show what you claim. However someone who knows the answer could show that something left the body and floated. (unless it was a deception in the person's brain from satan imo)
It is I guess typical of science wanting to repeat an NDE experience (a bit like repeating a miracles or it is not true)
Does a bunch of people who do not have OBEs mean that those who have had that and know things written on the top of cabinets or things that happened in another room were lying, even if what they said was verified and there was not way for them to know except with an OBE?

Well there's no material way to explain an OBE since sensory data is a material process. There's no reason to think there's some special phenomenon because claims are too vague, and better explanations exist.

 

[F1fan]

I urge you to keep a perpetual open mind! I’m confident that if you do, somewhere down the line God will reveal Himself to you. Simply remain open to the possibility of His existence. I would go as far to say that you are justified in waiting for Him to reveal Himself. However, deciding firmly that He is not real, I personally believe this is detrimental in pursuit of truth.

So you are saying that it is on God to reveal itself, and if it doesn't? We skeptics have reason to not believe, right?

 

[an anarchist]

So you are saying that it is on God to reveal itself, and if it doesn't? We skeptics have reason to not believe, right?

I believe God reveals Himself to everyone, every day. Through keeping an open mind on the topic of God, He becomes visible. I believe this because I believe in the mercy of my God.

 

[Truthseeker]

I used to do this as a kid. I'd say "Surely God, you know what would convince me. Just give me that if you're real and then I'd know."

It never happened.

I take a different position. Waiting for him to reveal Himself to you usually doesn't work. You should seek for Him actively.

 

[F1fan]

I believe God reveals Himself to everyone, every day. Through keeping an open mind on the topic of God, He becomes visible. I believe this because I believe in the mercy of my God.

Give examples of how a God reveals itself to people on a daily basis.

But did you read truthseeker9's comment? he says:

"I take a different position. Waiting for him to reveal Himself to you usually doesn't work. You should seek for Him actively."

So you two believers disagree with each other. So me as an atheist will just sit back and wait for you two to figure out which it is. It's none of my business. But I enjoy seeing the discrepancy because me opting out is one less thing I'm confused about.

 

[Brian2]

Well there's no material way to explain an OBE since sensory data is a material process. There's no reason to think there's some special phenomenon because claims are too vague, and better explanations exist.

There are claims of people having NDEs who know what happened in other rooms while unconscious. That is not vague and there is no better explanation except that someone else told them.

 

[Muffled]

Belief in it self do not save a muslim, only a hard work fixing my one errors in life, and follow/practicing the teaching so the vail is taken away can make a sufi realize Allah from within.

I hope you can achieve that doing it the hard way but I believe there have even been Christians who wanted that and never found it.

 

[Muffled]

They gave different answers to others, eg, Norse,
Greeks, Romans, Hindus, etc. Perhaps you just
forgot to carry the 1 in your calculation?

I believe He did not say anything to those people.

 

[Muffled]

Give examples of how a God reveals itself to people on a daily basis.

But did you read truthseeker9's comment? he says:

"I take a different position. Waiting for him to reveal Himself to you usually doesn't work. You should seek for Him actively."

So you two believers disagree with each other. So me as an atheist will just sit back and wait for you two to figure out which it is. It's none of my business. But I enjoy seeing the discrepancy because me opting out is one less thing I'm confused about.

I believe Jesus gives good advice:
Matt 7:7 “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.

 

[F1fan]

I believe Jesus gives good advice:
Matt 7:7 “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.

Yet this doesn't happen when objective thinkers test it. It's more likely that believers just mimic the religious behavior of those around them, and no actual gods communicate to anyone.

 

[infrabenji]

I believe there is a simple way to prove God. It may seem too simplistic at first, but that's not the intention.
Throughout my life, there have been times when I have called out to God whilst being in mortal danger, and He saved me. When I pray, He answers without fail and shows me that He is listening. When I was younger, I required evidence (Christian apologetics) to reinforce my faith in God. Now, I don't need that to know that my God is real, He has proven Himself to me.
To those who are skeptical of the idea of God, the way to prove God is this. Allow yourself to suspend your skepticism momentarily and ask God (however you understand God) to reveal Himself to you. My God answers without fail.
To both the skeptic and the believer, this methodology may seem silly. The believer might say "God has revealed Himself completely through the Bible! We are not to test Him, He does not reveal Himself in the present day."
If a skeptic is on the fence as to whether God is real or not, let them do this. Simply ask God to reveal Himself. God will prove Himself to you.

You know what I find interesting is that science has studied prayer and claims that god is talking to people from multiple disciplines and found that when people are talking to god the same part of the brain responsible for talking to yourself is activated. It's called Broca's area and is active when our inner voice is talking to us. Well unfortunately, the study showed that 100% of the people talking to god or when they reported that god was talking to them were simply talking to themselves. Bummer. Not to mention the several studies that have shown the efficacy of prayer to be the same rate as chance. Therefore useless. So I'll pass on the prayer. Plus, I think a guy already tried it and nothing happened.

 

[an anarchist]

god is talking to people

As a believer, I have come to a personal understanding that God talks to us through circumstances and let’s say chance events as well. Believers I’m personally friends with, and myself, we perceive God’s communication in all of the things around us. This more or less abstract idea I would say is Taoist and Buddhist in nature, they have teachings on this philosophy. I only point this out so I can share what I mean by God communicating, as well as what other believers mean who I know. So it’s a different method of cognition I guess? I don’t mean to sound arrogant
You know when you do something bad and it bites you in the butt tit for tat? Like that sometimes

 

[infrabenji]

As a believer, I have come to a personal understanding that God talks to us through circumstances and let’s say chance events as well. Believers I’m personally friends with, and myself, we perceive God’s communication in all of the things around us. This more or less abstract idea I would say is Taoist and Buddhist in nature, they have teachings on this philosophy. I only point this out so I can share what I mean by God communicating, as well as what other believers mean who I know. So it’s a different method of cognition I guess? I don’t mean to sound arrogant
You know when you do something bad and it bites you in the butt tit for tat? Like that sometimes

Your using post hoc arguments to justify moving the goal posts. I appreciate the clarification but still you are making claims that require you to meet the burden of proof first and gets us no closer to proving god let alone that a god or gods could even exist. Let's keep at it though who knows you may yet win the nobel prize for proving the existence of god. How cool would that be.

 

[an anarchist]

Let's keep at it though who knows you may yet win the nobel prize for proving the existence of god. How cool would that be.

Maybe that’ll be enough to get me into Heaven LOL.

Your using post hoc arguments to justify moving the goal posts. I appreciate the clarification but still you are making claims that require you to meet the burden of proof first and gets us no closer to proving god let alone that a god or gods could even exist.

For my OP, where I’m coming from is deeply personal communication I’ve experienced with God. I know other believers who have these experiences, and at times we have experienced these things together. Mystical experiences. We ask “God!” And He says “Here I am” and shows Himself. There’s no point in divulging details as any such experiences will undoubtedly be described as fiction.
As for my OP, I believe these personal experiences with God is available to everyone. God has shown Himself to me, so I have no doubt He is real. My fellow believers, He has done likewise. That’s the reasoning. For those who aren’t ready to receive this level of communication, I move the goal posts, one could say.

 

[infrabenji]

Maybe that’ll be enough to get me into Heaven LOL.

For my OP, where I’m coming from is deeply personal communication I’ve experienced with God. I know other believers who have these experiences, and at times we have experienced these things together. Mystical experiences. We ask “God!” And He says “Here I am” and shows Himself. There’s no point in divulging details as any such experiences will undoubtedly be described as fiction.
As for my OP, I believe these personal experiences with God is available to everyone. God has shown Himself to me, so I have no doubt He is real. My fellow believers, He has done likewise. That’s the reasoning. For those who aren’t ready to receive this level of communication, I move the goal posts, one could say.

It's really condescending to say god has revealed himself to me but because you aren't ready to receive this level of communication god doesn't talk to you. You're right, your providing nothing but anecdotal evidence. The title of this form is how to prove god. Anecdotal evidence certainly isn't the way to convince me to buy you a cheeseburger let alone believe that wish granting magical sky wizard talks to you secretly. I had this same conversation yesterday with a person of a completely different faith and they made the same claim. Only one of you can be right. So how do we determine who god is talking to? Can't be both of you. So who is it?

 

[an anarchist]

I had this same conversation yesterday with a person of a completely different faith and they made the same claim. Only one of you can be right. So how do we determine who god is talking to? Can't be both of you. So who is it?

God can be talking to both of us. God is in all faiths, I believe. I’m a syncretist. In my introductory thread I touch on this belief and argue for it.
Hello! New member introducing himself!

 

[an anarchist]

It's really condescending to say god has revealed himself to me but because you aren't ready to receive this level of communication god doesn't talk to you.

All I’m saying is that I’ve had mystical experience with God which has absolved all doubt in myself. If you’re an atheist, then I’m assuming you have not had such an experience. I don’t intend to be condescending, I’m trying real hard not to come across as so. That’s why I’ve been iterating through this threa that I believe it’s available to all people. I really believe it but I’ve been trying to avoid sounding like I think I’m levitating in the clouds and stuff

 

[infrabenji]

God can be talking to both of us. God is in all faiths, I believe. I’m a syncretist. In my introductory thread I touch on this belief and argue for it.
Hello! New member introducing himself!

I appreciate that. Not according to them though. You see the problem. Their god couldn't possibly talk to you because you are an infidel. So is there god real or is yours?

 

[an anarchist]

. So is there god real or is yours?

The founder of Baha’ism explained that the different prophets of the varying world religions were manifestations of one God. Each prophet has a message that was relevant to the time period and culture they were in. So this is where the perceived divergence of religions starts. However, I believe that division of religion has been exasperated purposefully by external forces. I’ve come to syncretic belief, because what I perceive as the central most important teaching in all the sacred texts I’ve read is this. God is simply love. So, as a believer, my priority is to spread love, I think this is the foundational teaching that connects them all. It is all encompassing