How To Worship The Devil

[EtuMalku]

Theistic Satanism or spiritual Satanism is the umbrella term for religious beliefs that consider Satan as an objectively existing supernatural being or force worthy of supplication, with whom individuals may contact, convene and even praise, rather than him being just an archetype, symbol or idea as in LaVeyan Satanism.

The word 'Supplication' meaning the action of asking or begging for something earnestly or humbly", deserves attention from the definition in that this is a key difference between Theistic and non-Theistic Satanism/Luciferianism. Non-Theistic Satanism/Luciferianism has no supplication involved, does not believe in deities other than archetypal structures, or symbols.

Religious unorthodoxy can only exist if the orthodox version is believed in, otherwise, there is nothing to be unorthodox against. Therefore, Theistic Satanism/Luciferianism is entrenched in Abrahamic theology in order to exist. This type of Satanism is closer to the left hand path of the east (vamachara) then it is to the western left hand path. Various organizations have addressed this heterodoxy stance with various success by tracing the Prince of Darkness to other cultures, thus removing the Abrahamic stigma to Satan.

The Prince of Darkness archetype is an Adversary and a trans‑cultural archetype existing long before Judaism and Christianity. Psychologically speaking, the Adversary is our Shadow Self, that which opposes and challenges you, when confronted by it, one either becomes consumed by it or one becomes stronger because of it. Satanism in this respect is about living one's life to best benefit one's self. Therefore indulgence can be sought but not to the point where it is detrimental to one's life.

Non-Theistic Satanism is a philosophical practice of living a beneficially carnal existence.

 

[crossfire]

The word 'Supplication' meaning the action of asking or begging for something earnestly or humbly", deserves attention from the definition in that this is a key difference between Theistic and non-Theistic Satanism/Luciferianism. Non-Theistic Satanism/Luciferianism has no supplication involved, does not believe in deities other than archetypal structures, or symbols.

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Non-Theistic Satanism is a philosophical practice of living a beneficially carnal existence.

Just to clarify: Luciferianism and Satanism are not the same*, but the non-theistic forms of each do reject worship.

*one can however, be a Luciferian Satanist, just as one can be a shamanic Luciferian, or a Luciferian Buddhist, or even a Luciferian Christian, but being a Satanist does not necessarily make you a Lucifierian, or vice versa.

 

[David T]

Step One: Don't.



Anyway, there have been a lot of Christian posts about their mental meanderings about being plagued by demons. But, from the Satanist perspective neither do we believe in possession by demons nor do we worship them. Satan, from this context, is seen as a liberator, creative muse, and the empowerment of intellectual pursuits. That means most Satanists in the theistic sense find very little value to worship although they may do something outwardly similar in gratitude like any other spiritual person. (It's much like remembering your ancestors or something along that line.)

Anyway, feel free to ask questions, but realize I speak for myself and not EVERYONE who calls themselves a Satanist. Debates are allowed as well, why I posted here... Just keep the biblical trolling to zero and I'll respond.

I have a shector hellraiser guitar. You are the I am bad to the bone christian denomination. Seems southern baptist without jesus.the Jerry Lee Lewis vs Jimmy swagart denomination. A bipolarity I find entertaining!!!!

 

[BilliardsBall]

Step One: Don't.



Anyway, there have been a lot of Christian posts about their mental meanderings about being plagued by demons. But, from the Satanist perspective neither do we believe in possession by demons nor do we worship them. Satan, from this context, is seen as a liberator, creative muse, and the empowerment of intellectual pursuits. That means most Satanists in the theistic sense find very little value to worship although they may do something outwardly similar in gratitude like any other spiritual person. (It's much like remembering your ancestors or something along that line.)

Anyway, feel free to ask questions, but realize I speak for myself and not EVERYONE who calls themselves a Satanist. Debates are allowed as well, why I posted here... Just keep the biblical trolling to zero and I'll respond.

I understand, but the Bible says libertine behavior regarding things like sex, drugs and even human pride, open a way for Satan to control us.

 

[Audie]

I understand, but the Bible says libertine behavior regarding things like sex, drugs and even human pride, open a way for Satan to control us.

Each of those is self indulgence, as in, letting
your emotions control your actions.

Doing what you FEEL like doing, not what
your thinking mind might say is good, or
right.

Would you say that self indulgence in anything
is if not equally bad, always the wrong thing?

 

[Mindmaster]

Okay, well, thanks for the clarification. That's what forums like these are for, getting to know what other people believe.

No problem, I think it's mostly important here to note the divergence between a Satanist's beliefs and Christian beliefs on this subject. It's not simply a matter of inverting the other belief system and calling it good. (There is actually a word for that called "Christian Duotheism", you believe in all the stuff in the Bible but think the Devil is winning so follow him. Anyway, an interested subject for another thread. )

You sure about that? What exactly is Satan to you? I doubt that you have done much research on the Hebrew word satan. Do you, like most Satanists I've encountered, think that Lucifer is a name for Satan? If I had to guess, I would say you have formed your own personal philosophy and idealism and stamped Satan on it . . . because it sounds cool?

Admittedly, there are two ways of looking at the meaning of the name Satan. You can see it purely in a scriptural sense, or look at the name as more of an archetypal element with features borrowed from historical allegories in other names/deities/demons. Personally, I think that you get closer to the truth of what Satan is if you look throughout history and other cultures and look for the common themes. Some seemingly related historical deities: Enki/EA, Melek Taus, Pan, Cernunnous, and some others here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_infernal_names . Anyway, ultimately the theistic Satanist themselves has to determine how this model works for them.

Lucifer, however, is simply a Christian name in common use and really has no meaning for me. Which Lucifer? King Nebuchadnezzar, Satan, the medieval demon (used in occult circles), or the planet Venus as it rises in the morning before the sun? The name has shifted usage several times... In modern use, I feel that Lucifer is probably a different character especially with the traits espoused to him in the beliefs of Luciferians. In my use, Lucifer is a demon and an important one, but he is not Satan.

Okay. What is REINKAΩS?

Dissection's third studio album, really good if you like metal music.

 

[Mindmaster]

I understand, but the Bible says libertine behavior regarding things like sex, drugs and even human pride, open a way for Satan to control us.

Every decision comes with risks, but for the sake of this argument let's presume The Bible is right. OK, so you can follow the book and end up a slave to God or ignore the book and do what you want and be free. I guess it's important to understand what a Satanist values by this method. Secondly, promiscuity, drug use, and arrogance aren't virtues that even Satanists typically would admire. Certainly, there are no rules in this regard because a Satanist is a free agent but being a slave to addictions or other compulsions is just as bad as being a slave to Jehovah from my perspective.

 

[rrobs]

Well, that brand of Christianity (once saved, always saved) isn't scriptural, but other than that I don't see the similarity.

You're saying Jesus's work wasn't good enough to finish the job, there's something I have to do to make it stick?

How many sins do I get before it's too late? I hope I'm not over the limit. I was counting on eternity in paradise.

What hope do I have if even Paul couldn't tame his flesh?

Rom 7:14-25,

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that [it is] good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but [how] to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.​

It appears you don't believe Jesus when he said,

John 6:63,

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.
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It's hard to see Christians who don't believe the cross and resurrection were good enough to save them completely. Instead of looking at your sins (and you commit sin as much as the next guy - 1 John 1:10), try keeping your eyes on the Saviour from sin. Interestingly enough that is actually the best way to live a life that represents God and his word. It is the best way to at least minimize sinning. Once someone really believes what Jesus Christ accomplished for them they will naturally want to walk more like him.

God does not impute your sins (Rom 5:13). That means He doesn't count them against you, He does not keep a ledger on you. So it really doesn't matter how many you commit. None of them are set to your account. The only thing He cares about is your confession that Jesus is Lord and that you believe that God raised him from the dead (Rom 10:9-10).

 

[Father Heathen]

RHP = Right Hand Path
LHP = Left Hand Path
WLHP = Western Left Hand Path

Why the distinction between LHP and WLHP, especially considering that the LHP itself is a western concept? Shouldn't the deviation be "Eastern Left Hand Path"?

 

[crossfire]

Why the distinction between LHP and WLHP, especially considering that the LHP itself is a western concept? Shouldn't the deviation be "Eastern Left Hand Path"?

Vamachara (meaning left-hand attainment) was around before the modern WLHP.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Lust, greed, stab your friend, neighbor, mate, brother, stranger in the back to get what you want without guilt or recourse or accountability to anything or anyone. Lie, steal, cheat, and do what it takes to quench your insatiable desires.

Much of that is prohibited within Satanism. Lust is ok, but unwanted and non-consensual sexual advances are not. Stabbing a friend or family in the back is no bueno. Lying, cheating, and stealing are also frowned upon. Satanism is also all about holding yourself accountable, rather than placing everything at the feet of an invisible god and blaming invisible boogeymen.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Why the distinction between LHP and WLHP, especially considering that the LHP itself is a western concept? Shouldn't the deviation be "Eastern Left Hand Path"?

The Western LHP is derived from the much older Vamachara practices of Hindu.

 

[Earthling]

Why the distinction between LHP and WLHP, especially considering that the LHP itself is a western concept? Shouldn't the deviation be "Eastern Left Hand Path"?

What the hell does your hand have to do with anything? What about the ambidextrous?

 

[Earthling]

Much of that is prohibited within Satanism. Lust is ok, but unwanted and non-consensual sexual advances are not. Stabbing a friend or family in the back is no bueno. Lying, cheating, and stealing are also frowned upon. Satanism is also all about holding yourself accountable, rather than placing everything at the feet of an invisible god and blaming invisible boogeymen.

I'm sorry. It's just when you mention invisible gods and boogeymen while extolling Satan . . . cracks me up every time. Kind of hypocritical, don't you think. It appears that you can no easier assume any similarities between Satanist any more than you could similarities between Christians.

 

[Flame]

What the hell does your hand have to do with anything? What about the ambidextrous?

https://www.thoughtco.com/left-hand-and-right-hand-paths-95827

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm sorry. It's just when you mention invisible gods and boogeymen while extolling Satan . . . cracks me up every time. Kind of hypocritical, don't you think. It appears that you can no easier assume any similarities between Satanist any more than you could similarities between Christians.

Hypocrisy is demanding "thou shalt not kill" while demanding the deaths of many, including entire tribes down to the unborn and cattle.

 

[Father Heathen]

What the hell does your hand have to do with anything? What about the ambidextrous?

It's obviously not literal, dumdum.

 

[Earthling]

It's obviously not literal, dumdum.

Hey! Member that alien on the Flintstones that always called Fred a dumdum?

 

[Father Heathen]

Hey! Member that alien on the Flintstones that always called Fred a dumdum?

The Great Gazoo.

 

[allfoak]