How To Worship The Devil

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

While I don't play for Team Satan, I do sympathize with both the atheistic and theistic versions. The bible certainly gives plenty of ammo for the criticism. Besides, whenever I am depressed about "religious freedom" news, I can rely on a laugh or two by Satanic challenges to hypocritical Christian superiority complexes. I find Satanism to be a lot like the Sith or the Slytherins: not evil per se, just heavily associated with famous jerks.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

For a limitless debit card and shape shifting abilities that include shifting the shape of organs and other body tissues to a youthful and healthy state and fix damages to my body (such as the knees and shins I was dealt), I would sell my soul. Satan's a crap business man for not getting here yesterday to sign the deal.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I find Satanism to be a lot like the Sith or the Slytherins:

That is WAY more accurate than many descriptions leveled against Satanists on this thread and outside of it. I can't speak much of Slytherin, but the Sith are very much "Satanic Jedi," with Anakin standing as a firm warning that when you play with fire you may get burned.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Each of those is self indulgence, as in, letting
your emotions control your actions.

Doing what you FEEL like doing, not what
your thinking mind might say is good, or
right.

Would you say that self indulgence in anything
is if not equally bad, always the wrong thing?

I say that self-indulgence can be bad, of course, and I ask why this is so--why this is the human condition.

I say that Jesus offers self-control that other programs just skirt the edges of. I've met people, for example, with testimonies of trusting Christ and immediately coming off drugs and/or alcohol with no cold turkey, no cravings, no "I am alcoholic forever"--powerful testimonies.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Every decision comes with risks, but for the sake of this argument let's presume The Bible is right. OK, so you can follow the book and end up a slave to God or ignore the book and do what you want and be free. I guess it's important to understand what a Satanist values by this method. Secondly, promiscuity, drug use, and arrogance aren't virtues that even Satanists typically would admire. Certainly, there are no rules in this regard because a Satanist is a free agent but being a slave to addictions or other compulsions is just as bad as being a slave to Jehovah from my perspective.

I understand, so let's go to the logical end of the talk--and thanks for your willingness to be open to a new mindset. My slavery to Christ has "forced me unwillingly to":

1. Earn heavenly rewards
2. Improved health, mental and physical
3. Commune with the Creator
4. Experience new love and peace, powerfully
5. Experience spiritual things, miracles, answered prayers
6. Receive self-control against the promiscuity and other things you wrote of
7. Have a great marriage
8. Have happy, obedient children
9. Be recognized as a choice leader in school and work
10. Etc.

The Bible says one can be enslaved to:

1. Christ
2. Satan
3. Self/Pride
4. Addictions
5. Those whom we borrow money from
6. Etc.

But never says liberation can be had from servitude until the End, why Moses said, "Choose today whom you'll serve!" and not "Serve nothing!"

 

[crossfire]

Vamachara (meaning left-hand attainment) was around before the modern WLHP.

You've also got the older yin/passive/left (wise counselor) and the yang/active/right (strong general) dichotomy from Taoism to throw into the mix. In Taoism, the destructive yang aspect of force (right hand) is only to be used as a last resort, and is to be considered to be a failure.

 

[Audie]

I say that self-indulgence can be bad, of course, and I ask why this is so--why this is the human condition.

I say that Jesus offers self-control that other programs just skirt the edges of. I've met people, for example, with testimonies of trusting Christ and immediately coming off drugs and/or alcohol with no cold turkey, no cravings, no "I am alcoholic forever"--powerful testimonies.

Self indulgence can be no worse than eating a candy bar
but as a thing, I'd say it is the root of all evil.

As for what you said about "no cravings", I do not
doubt it. Just, the supernatural part is not necessary
or real.

Here is a story, from my dad. Smoked camels for
17 years. Then, he saw a Yul Brenner ad.
Yul Brenner had died of lung cancer, some months
earlier. Made the ad shortly before he died.

In the ad, Mr. Brenner said: " I am convinced that if
I had not smoked, I would be alive today. If
you smoke, QUIT!"

My dad had "quit" how many times before, but
this time he took the pack from his pocket,
crumpled it up, and never smoked again.

And, he said, never once again did he have the
slightest cravings. He found that very surprising,
but decided it was the difference between halfhearted
"quit", and wholehearted.

I see my spelling and the exact words words were off

 

[BilliardsBall]

Self indulgence can be no worse than eating a candy bar
but as a thing, I'd say it is the root of all evil.

As for what you said about "no cravings", I do not
doubt it. Just, the supernatural part is not necessary
or real.

Here is a story, from my dad. Smoked camels for
17 years. Then, he saw a Yul Brenner ad.
Yul Brenner had died of lung cancer, some months
earlier. Made the ad shortly before he died.

In the ad, Mr. Brenner said: " I am convinced that if
I had not smoked, I would be alive today. If
you smoke, QUIT!"

My dad had "quit" how many times before, but
this time he took the pack from his pocket,
crumpled it up, and never smoked again.

And, he said, never once again did he have the
slightest cravings. He found that very surprising,
but decided it was the difference between halfhearted
"quit", and wholehearted.

I see my spelling and the exact words words were off

Thanks for sharing this personal and helpful anecdote. Yul Brenner was a dynamic actor, and I've loved watching him in many roles, especially in The Magnificent Seven, the original Westworld, and The Ten Commandments. I'm glad for your dad, and I think your point is good--really good encouragement from a good source led to a wonderful outcome.

So we can imagine how many people have kicked habits hearing a Savior was ripped to shreds on a Cross for them, Brenner and everyone from Hitler to Pol Pot, fulfilling Isaiah's prophecy that by his stripe (singular in the Hebrew, His stripe from God above, not the stripe(s) of men with whips and cords) we are HEALED. Your dad sees a hero die from smoking, I see a hero brutally killed and resurrected, a volunteer to help me and you and Brenner and your dad.

Brenner didn't smoke just so we could avoid smoking. Jesus died for our sin, guilt, shame and salvation IMHO. Wow.

 

[Audie]

Thanks for sharing this personal and helpful anecdote. Yul Brenner was a dynamic actor, and I've loved watching him in many roles, especially in The Magnificent Seven, the original Westworld, and The Ten Commandments. I'm glad for your dad, and I think your point is good--really good encouragement from a good source led to a wonderful outcome.

So we can imagine how many people have kicked habits hearing a Savior was ripped to shreds on a Cross for them, Brenner and everyone from Hitler to Pol Pot, fulfilling Isaiah's prophecy that by his stripe (singular in the Hebrew, His stripe from God above, not the stripe(s) of men with whips and cords) we are HEALED. Your dad sees a hero die from smoking, I see a hero brutally killed and resurrected, a volunteer to help me and you and Brenner and your dad.

Brenner didn't smoke just so we could avoid smoking. Jesus died for our sin, guilt, shame and salvation IMHO. Wow.

You are not noticing the detail that Yul the B is
not god.

No supernatural intervention is called for in
kicking a habit.

My Dad, btw, was not "seeing a hero". Dont make things up,
yah?

 

[paarsurrey]

How To Worship The Devil?

Kindly give one's own understanding of the word "devil", without quoting from a lexicon, please.

Regards

 

[BilliardsBall]

You are not noticing the detail that Yul the B is
not god.

No supernatural intervention is called for in
kicking a habit.

My Dad, btw, was not "seeing a hero". Dont make things up,
yah?

Brenner not being God and Jesus being God are irrelevant to my point. That the greatest story is the Jesus story.

Arguably, God intervened supernaturally in bringing your dad to experience Brenner as he did.

Brenner is my hero, not your dad's.

If you will not receive my loving posts to you, how can you receive the love of Christ?

 

[Audie]

Brenner not being God and Jesus being God are irrelevant to my point. That the greatest story is the Jesus story.

Arguably, God intervened supernaturally in bringing your dad to experience Brenner as he did.

Brenner is my hero, not your dad's.

If you will not receive my loving posts to you, how can you receive the love of Christ?

You are welcome to say that the "Jesus story" is the
greatest, but to me,no. Unless you mean that
the mythology woven about something that happened
somewhere sometime but nobody knows either
of those.. that people ran with it and ended up
having a big effect, I guess that is "great".

You cant expect to just say that and have it accepted.

Arguably it was batboy impersonating Yul Brenner.
That which is "arguable" is worth, what,not much.

As for loving posts, sorry-ah, you dont know me,
and any "love" you express, well, I've had
people say things like "love you babe" when
I pass.

Of course, that is on the seriously crude side,
and I dont mean you are one of those.
Just, I dont believe it. Whatever it actually
means, depth and sincerity wise, it is very
shallow.

Then too, we do net ever say "I love you".
Love if it is there, is shown in action.

Whatever you have in mind, IF there is a "jesus"
who "loves" me, lets not make any comparisons.

FWIW, dont ever bother telling a Chinese girl
you love her. It will not get the result you want.

 

[Audie]

The Sacrifice is conditional. So are the rules. Jesus was not telling the followers to love evil people, etc.

The teachings are in the parameters of adherence.

That is why there are Hell realms.

If Jesus loved everyone unconditionally, there would be no Hell.

Its ok, I dont believe either of you.

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

What if Satan was doing God's will? What if Satan was actually in God's favor, but just likes to play the bad guy just because our feeble minds need some kind of antagonist in our lives?

But you know cool story bruh.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

What if Satan was doing God's will? What if Satan was actually in God's favor, but just likes to play the bad guy just because our feeble minds need some kind of antagonist in our lives?

But you know cool story bruh.

To them, you're just a freak, like me! They need you right now, but when they don't, they'll cast you out, like a leper! You see, their morals, their code, it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be.

Because he's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A Dark Knight.

 

[paarsurrey]

How To Worship The Devil?

Kindly give one's own understanding of the word "devil", without quoting from a lexicon, please.

Regards

So, devil -the evil one, was not ever a god, he could never be.
Regards

 

[crossfire]

How To Worship The Devil?

Kindly give one's own understanding of the word "devil", without quoting from a lexicon, please.

Regards

So, devil -the evil one, was not ever a god, he could never be.
Regards

Be forewarned that this is my personal speculation: not many Abrahamics may like it.

In Buddhism, we have what are called Maaras, which are collective thought forms that propagate within groups. Herding behaviour among animals might be likened to a Maara. Tribal gods are maaras.

An evil maara (one that leads to long term harm) is one where greed, hatred, and delusion are propagated and spread. Buddha advised to reject those. (See the Kalama Sutta.) I suppose the "devil" referred to in the opening post might be parallel to an evil maara that spreads the poisons of greed, hated, and delusion, and tribal gods that spread greed, hatred and delusion might then qualify as evil maaras, which might be what is referred to as a devil when it comes to feeding/worshipping it.

Some maaras are free from greed and hatred, but delusion is much more difficult to avoid when it comes to maaras.

*runs and ducks for cover over the implication that some tribal gods might be devils*

 

[paarsurrey]

Be forewarned that this is my personal speculation: not many Abrahamics may like it.

In Buddhism, we have what are called Maaras, which are collective thought forms that propagate within groups. Herding behaviour among animals might be likened to a Maara. Tribal gods are maaras.

An evil maara (one that leads to long term harm) is one where greed, hatred, and delusion are propagated and spread. Buddha advised to reject those. (See the Kalama Sutta.) I suppose the "devil" referred to in the opening post might be parallel to an evil maara that spreads the poisons of greed, hated, and delusion, and tribal gods that spread greed, hatred and delusion might then qualify as evil maaras, which might be what is referred to as a devil when it comes to feeding/worshipping it.

Some maaras are free from greed and hatred, but delusion is much more difficult to avoid when it comes to maaras.

*runs and ducks for cover over the implication that some tribal gods might be devils*

Sorry, devil has no truthful attribute of G-d. I am not convinced with one's argument, please.
Regards