How we know that there was no Flood of Noah.

[nPeace]

So without using the magic "God can do anything" plot destroyer, how did all that molecular water suddenly escape from all that rock all at once and then go back into the rocks again just as if the water was in them when they originally formed millions of years ago.

The creator of that video makes no claims about a global flood as well...perhaps because he would see that as a mistaken deduction. He seems to be a science minded guy who is, nonetheless, interested in ideas and theories that overturn our assumptions...typical of sciency types.

Fail! Another example of a misappropriation of sincere content being interpreted as proof for something that the content originator never intended.

Here it is again. "Everything was the same as today so... never happened."
Keep the amusement coming... save me going to the park. Although that would be much nicer. Where did I mention anything about a flood from the video again?

 

[74x12]

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You're not taking into account that the fountains of the great deep were broken up. Genesis 7:11. These fountains continued to add new water for some time as we find in Genesis 8:1.

 

[Valjean]

Thanks, but no thanks. I stopped after the 5th minutes of hearing Mr. Wise... well actually now Mr. Potty Mouth, since he rudely interrupted the video. So you guys will have to fill me in.

Sorry about that, nPeace. He does get annoyingly rude and snarky in this video, he also looks funny and talks funny -- but if you refuse to look at evidence because you don't like the packaging you're not going to learn much.

I'm not here to give the poster of the OP, any dart boards to throw at either. He has the Bible - Genesis 6-8 can't be so hard to read, and I never heard of any skeptic dying from reading the Bible.

But the Bible is not a science book (yeah, I know -- how many times have you heard this before?). You don't see the Bible cited in scientific or technical journals. Granted, it was a go-to reference for nearly 2,000 years, but during that period the only progress we made in understanding our world was a few tentative discoveries by heretics like Galileo.

Firstly...
When it come to the evolution theory, atheist and Bible skeptics are happy to accept that the earth and conditions on it (geographically, environmentally, etc) were vastly different from the way it is. In fact conditions always somehow seem to fit whatever theory seems to work best.

"Vastly"? Please.
Conditions did vary, but no scientist is positing variances to fit any particular theorem. That's not how science works. There is no agenda, and current thinking always follows the evidence. Science is not a priori.

When it comes to the Bible, skeptics know how it was - It always seem to be exactly the way it is today.

Yes -- if you posit a 6,000 year old Earth and a 4,000 year old flood, conditions were pretty similar back then to today.

So you need x amount of gallons of water to cover the mountains - as we know them today, and you need x amount of species of animals - as we know them today - to fill Noah's ark... etc. etc. Amusing.

What's amusing? These are important considerations.

The reasoning on mountain formation was amusing as well. Actually every part of it I saw was.
Mountains are formed in more than one way. Here is just one. No lava. Teenagers know that every mountain is not volcanic.

So who's saying every mountain's volcanic? I'm missing your point.

What else?

Here's something the wise men of this earth lately discovered.

That's pretty amazing! Modern man is so smart... so absolutely brilliant!So you're saying that 4.4 Billion cubic Km of superheated steam, at >6,500 degrees F -- hot enough to melt any natural element -- was suddenly expelled from Earth's transition zone into the atmosphere? The resulting temperatures could have melted the nails in the arc!
How did this eruption happen? How did this water suddenly become molecularly unfused from the mantle? Where did it go after the flood? How did Noah survive?, How did the ocean survive, for that matter?

Genesis 7:11
New International Version
In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month--on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.

New Living Translation
When Noah was 600 years old, on the seventeenth day of the second month, all the underground waters erupted from the earth, and the rain fell in mighty torrents from the sky.

English Standard Version
In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened.

Wait! What? Primitive and backward people wrote this?
Guys... Maybe instead of bringing back the woolly mammoth, it might be a good idea to bring back the primitives.

I don't see any particular scientific insight here. Such a story would have had to include some explanation to even begin to appear plausible, wouldn't it? What other explanations would you expect ancient Bedouins to have come up with?

Then again that might be a bad idea. One look at man's progress and wisdom... they might die from laughter.

Or they might faint dead away -- believing us Gods.

 

[exchemist]

Here's something the wise men of this earth lately discovered.

That's pretty amazing! Modern man is so smart... so absolutely brilliant!

Genesis 7:11
New International Version
In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month--on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.

New Living Translation
When Noah was 600 years old, on the seventeenth day of the second month, all the underground waters erupted from the earth, and the rain fell in mighty torrents from the sky.

English Standard Version
In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened.

Wait! What? Primitive and backward people wrote this?
Guys... Maybe instead of bringing back the woolly mammoth, it might be a good idea to bring back the primitives.

Then again that might be a bad idea. One look at man's progress and wisdom... they might die from laughter.

This is total bilge about "oceans" inside the Earth.

What the fast-taking charlatan in the video should be saying is that there is a lot of water present in hydrated minerals. Any chemist knows water of hydration is present in lots of solid substances. You may even have come across blue copper sulphate at school and heated it up so it goes white, driving off water in the process. In fact he does more or less admit this later on, but not before making a totally confusing and misleading claim.

I don't know who this guy is but some of these pop-science video people should be shot on sight.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Here's something the wise men of this earth lately discovered.

That's pretty amazing! Modern man is so smart... so absolutely brilliant!

Genesis 7:11
New International Version
In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month--on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.

New Living Translation
When Noah was 600 years old, on the seventeenth day of the second month, all the underground waters erupted from the earth, and the rain fell in mighty torrents from the sky.

English Standard Version
In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened.

Wait! What? Primitive and backward people wrote this?
Guys... Maybe instead of bringing back the woolly mammoth, it might be a good idea to bring back the primitives.

Then again that might be a bad idea. One look at man's progress and wisdom... they might die from laughter.

Here is a suggestion. Why don't you bring up the articles that you do not understand one at a time. The water in the mantle is extremely dispersed and has been there since the Earth's formation, about 4.55 billion years ago. It has nothing to do with the mythical flood. In fact when you claim 'waters of the deep' you are claiming that you cooked Noah.

 

[Subduction Zone]

This is total bilge about "oceans" inside the Earth.

What the fast-taking charlatan in the video should be saying is that there is a lot of water present in hydrated minerals. Any chemist knows water of hydration is present in lots of solid substances. You may even have come across blue copper sulphate at school and heated it up so it goes white, driving off water in the process. In fact he does more or less admit this later on, but not before making a totally confusing and misleading claim.

I don't know who this guy is but some of these pop-science video people should be shot on sight.

My favorite example is gypsum. It's chemical formulas is CaSo4*2H2O. Or in other words on the average of about 2 molecules of water bonded to each molecule of anyhdrite. It is processed by crushing, dehydrating, and then adding water back to make a paste and form drywall, which is what it becomes when the water is absorbed back by the anydrite. The "Dry wall" in one's house has a far higher concentration than is found in the mantle.

 

[Valjean]

This is total bilge about "oceans" inside the Earth.

What the fast-taking charlatan in the video should be saying is that there is a lot of water present in hydrated minerals. Any chemist knows water of hydration is present in lots of solid substances. You may even have come across blue copper sulphate at school and heated it up so it goes white, driving off water in the process. In fact he does more or less admit this later on, but not before making a totally confusing and misleading claim.

I don't know who this guy is but some of these pop-science video people should be shot on sight.

He's referring to this: Huge Underground 'Ocean' Discovered Towards Earth's Core

 

[nPeace]

Sorry about that, nPeace. He does get annoyingly rude and snarky in this video, he also looks funny and talks funny -- but if you refuse to look at evidence because you don't like the packaging you're not going to learn much.
But the Bible is not a science book (yeah, I know -- how many times have you heard this before?). You don't see the Bible cited in scientific or technical journals. Granted, it was a go-to reference for nearly 2,000 years, but during that period the only progress we made in understanding our world was a few tentative discoveries by heretics like Galileo.

"Vastly"? Please.
Conditions did vary, but no scientist is positing variances to fit any particular theorem. That's not how science works. There is no agenda, and current thinking always follows the evidence. Science is not a priori.
Yes -- if you posit a 6,000 year old Earth and a 4,000 year old flood, conditions were pretty similar back then to today.
What's amusing? These are important considerations.
So who's saying every mountain's volcanic? I'm missing your point.

I'm not a young earth creationist.
The guys in the video were arguing about Mount Ararat. My argument is since every mountain isn't volcanic, how can we speculate as to the condition of the mountain over 4000 years ago.
Yes, it was amusing. The argument holds no water. imo.

 

[nPeace]

Here is a suggestion. Why don't you bring up the articles that you do not understand one at a time. The water in the mantle is extremely dispersed and has been there since the Earth's formation, about 4.55 billion years ago. It has nothing to do with the mythical flood. In fact when you claim 'waters of the deep' you are claiming that you cooked Noah.

...about 4.55 billion years ago sound real to you. Okay

 

[Subduction Zone]

...about 4.55 billion years ago sound real to you. Okay

I did not know that you were scientifically illiterate. That can be cured by education. Are you willing to learn?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm not a young earth creationist.
The guys in the video were arguing about Mount Ararat. My argument is since every mountain isn't volcanic, how can we speculate as to the condition of the mountain over 4000 years ago.
Yes, it was amusing. The argument holds no water. imo.

Because it takes millions of years to form most mountains. That means a mountain 4,000 years ago would be almost identical to what it looks like today.

 

[Valjean]

I'm not a young earth creationist.
The guys in the video were arguing about Mount Ararat. My argument is since every mountain isn't volcanic, how can we speculate as to the condition of the mountain over 4000 years ago.

It's been described countless times, over thousands of years. -- it's pretty hard to miss, after all. We can also examine and date the geology, artifacts, fossils, &c.

 

[InChrist]

There are many different interpretations of the Noah's Ark myth in Genesis. From my experience all of them can be shown to have never occurred. My only assumption here will be that it God exists he does not lie.

Of course I can't demonstrate a concept to be in error until people clearly state their beliefs. So please tell us what you mean by the Floor and we can discuss your version.

"While this is very distressing, by God’s grace there is a growing body of scientific evidence that supports the reality of the Biblical flood. We have witnessed how encouraging this evidence can be to Christians. An elite cadre of Bible-believing scientists uncovered this evidence, and many of these same scientists are now taking part in this new project, which is expected to further affirm the historicity of the Biblical flood. These scientists are very highly credentialed, and are committed to do their best to use high-quality science to affirm Scripture. They have come together to launch this new project, because they are convinced that the project is crucial to understanding how the Genesis flood created much of what is called the geologic column. Large parts of the geologic column are made up of precipitates (not evaporites) that defy explanation in terms of conventional geological processes. The objective of this newly-formed team is to develop new models that account for these precipitates in the context of a very violent global flood. The name for this new project is RAPIDS (RApid Precipitation In Deposition of Strata).


The scientists who will be involved in this new research project include Dr. Steve Austin (PhD in Geology), Dr. John Baumgardner (PhD in Geophysics), Dr. Robert Carter (PhD in Marine Biology), Dr. Aaron Hutchinson (PhD in Chemistry), Dr. Robert Kalbach (PhD in Chemistry), Dr. John Sanford (PhD in Genetics), Dr. Andrew Snelling (PhD in Geology), Raymond Strom (President of Calgary Rock and Materials Services, Inc.), Dr. Larry Vardiman (Ph.D. in Atmospheric Science), Dr. Alan White (PhD in Chemistry), and Dr. John Whitmore (MS in Geology and PhD in Biology). The team leader is Dr. White.


This project will examine, among other things, the potential for rapid precipitation/deposition of salt, gypsum, calcite, and chert. These materials will be studied under extreme conditions of temperature and pressure, capable of creating what is called “super-critical” water. This research will require the development of special instrumentation and new laboratory procedures.


Our investigators will also examine the question of whether the oceans are actually at steady state in terms of salt concentrations as is currently claimed. Because the amount of salts going into the ocean appears to us to far exceed the amount of salts leaving the ocean, it seems that the concentrations of salts in the ocean would be much higher than we currently observe if the oceans have been in existence for billions of years. Many salts in the ocean are nowhere near saturation. We hope to show that the current explanations for how the salts might leave the ocean are unconvincing and that the current salt concentrations are supportive of a young earth. "
logosresearchers

 

[Cacotopia]

You're not taking into account that the fountains of the great deep were broken up. Genesis 7:11. These fountains continued to add new water for some time as we find in Genesis 8:1.

There is more secret water in the existing water? Wow whoduhthunkit.

 

[74x12]

There is more secret water in the existing water? Wow whoduhthunkit.

Under ground water yes ... Huge Underground 'Ocean' Discovered Towards Earth's Core

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Under ground water yes ... Huge Underground 'Ocean' Discovered Towards Earth's Core

Misleading title is misleading

 

[Subduction Zone]

"While this is very distressing, by God’s grace there is a growing body of scientific evidence that supports the reality of the Biblical flood. We have witnessed how encouraging this evidence can be to Christians. An elite cadre of Bible-believing scientists uncovered this evidence, and many of these same scientists are now taking part in this new project, which is expected to further affirm the historicity of the Biblical flood. These scientists are very highly credentialed, and are committed to do their best to use high-quality science to affirm Scripture. They have come together to launch this new project, because they are convinced that the project is crucial to understanding how the Genesis flood created much of what is called the geologic column. Large parts of the geologic column are made up of precipitates (not evaporites) that defy explanation in terms of conventional geological processes. The objective of this newly-formed team is to develop new models that account for these precipitates in the context of a very violent global flood. The name for this new project is RAPIDS (RApid Precipitation In Deposition of Strata).


The scientists who will be involved in this new research project include Dr. Steve Austin (PhD in Geology), Dr. John Baumgardner (PhD in Geophysics), Dr. Robert Carter (PhD in Marine Biology), Dr. Aaron Hutchinson (PhD in Chemistry), Dr. Robert Kalbach (PhD in Chemistry), Dr. John Sanford (PhD in Genetics), Dr. Andrew Snelling (PhD in Geology), Raymond Strom (President of Calgary Rock and Materials Services, Inc.), Dr. Larry Vardiman (Ph.D. in Atmospheric Science), Dr. Alan White (PhD in Chemistry), and Dr. John Whitmore (MS in Geology and PhD in Biology). The team leader is Dr. White.


This project will examine, among other things, the potential for rapid precipitation/deposition of salt, gypsum, calcite, and chert. These materials will be studied under extreme conditions of temperature and pressure, capable of creating what is called “super-critical” water. This research will require the development of special instrumentation and new laboratory procedures.


Our investigators will also examine the question of whether the oceans are actually at steady state in terms of salt concentrations as is currently claimed. Because the amount of salts going into the ocean appears to us to far exceed the amount of salts leaving the ocean, it seems that the concentrations of salts in the ocean would be much higher than we currently observe if the oceans have been in existence for billions of years. Many salts in the ocean are nowhere near saturation. We hope to show that the current explanations for how the salts might leave the ocean are unconvincing and that the current salt concentrations are supportive of a young earth. "
logosresearchers

Your entire list is of discredited and incompetent scientists. Here is a question that you will not be able to answer:

Where can you did their work in a well respected professional peer reviewed journal?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Under ground water yes ... Huge Underground 'Ocean' Discovered Towards Earth's Core

There is a reason that they used scare quotes in the title.

 

[74x12]

There is a reason that they used scare quotes in the title.

Misleading title is misleading

I searched for the quickest link I could find for this. It's the scientific discovery I'm concerned with.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Under ground water yes ... Huge Underground 'Ocean' Discovered Towards Earth's Core

Too bad that you did not understand that article. It does not help the flood myth.