How women should treat men

[Thief]

Got here a little late.....some one should have dropped me a pm.

Shall we do this thread again....in the religious debate section.
it will twist!

 

[Father Heathen]

okay, let's finish it here. I respect your view and you respect mine.
have a nice day

Such a dishonest, unsubstantiated view is not worthy of respect.

 

[Estro Felino]

Such a dishonest, unsubstantiated view is not worthy of respect.

okay...It's fine to say "I don't agree with you" but there isn't really need to be offensive.

and by the way, sexists are the ones who want to prevent women from expressing their sex appeal and their femininity.
those men who force women to cover themselves on the basis on of religious beliefs.

Do worry about them

 

[Thief]

oh good....it's headed to religion....

 

[Iti oj]

okay...It's fine to say "I don't agree with you" but there isn't really need to be offensive.

and by the way, sexists are the ones who want to prevent women from expressing their sex appeal and their femininity.
those men who force women to cover themselves on the basis on of religious beliefs.

Do worry about them

No sexism is both ends, Feminism is about empowering woman to be whatever and who ever they want to be as humans. It fights against gender roles and fights for equality.

 

[The Hammer]

In the last decades, especially in the US, women have become less and less feminine, especially when they have to deal with the opposite gender. Women have become more and more aggressive and treat men as dirty filthy creatures, as if they had no feelings.
Men always complain about women: most of them become misogynists. And misogyny can lead to male homosexuality. That's why the number of gay men is so high, nowadays. And I assure you that the 70 % of gay men were not born gay.

Women should be feminine: they are supposed to be always sweet, smiling and caring with men.
and always seductive. That's femininity. I can give you an example of real woman

I disagree with this entire post, and the entire idea that women "need" to be anything other then what they are normally. Be that feminine, masculine, or what have you.

EDIT: From other posts that I have read from you regarding sexuality and gender roles Hay. You are extremely sexist. The problem with your sexism, is that you are so blinded by it "because it's your society" (Which I call phooey on, btw), that you don't even realize you are wrong.

 

[Riverwolf]

and by the way, sexists are the ones who want to prevent women from expressing their sex appeal and their femininity.

Far more common are the ones who want to prevent women from being who they bloody want to be.

If they want to express what you define as "sex appeal and femininity", that's fine. But if they don't want to, they shouldn't have to.

 

[Thief]

In all fairness I haven't read the entire thread.....but...

I've seen women interviewed about their behavior when it appears to focus on the body.
It seems....women can be quite comfortable and feel empowered.....AS women.
Sure it leads to manipulation and strong play to what men want.....
but women often accept this as their lot in life and embrace it.

I see no cause to impose any political, social or spiritual facet.

ON THE OTHER HAND!!!!!....
The opening post displays a situation that could ignite a brawl!

Shall we then assume power plays have certain arenas?....and discretion belongs to the lady?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

okay...It's fine to say "I don't agree with you" but there isn't really need to be offensive.

and by the way, sexists are the ones who want to prevent women from expressing their sex appeal and their femininity.
those men who force women to cover themselves on the basis on of religious beliefs.

Do worry about them

Sexists can be both men and women. It is sexism to determine how a woman is supposed to BE for a man, purely based on her looks, her mannerisms, and her choice of clothing, and all for a mans interests.

When this occurs or expressed, we call it as part of the Male Gaze in our culture.

BTW, I'm just fine and dandy deciding for myself how I flaunt what I got. No need to tell me how I should be sexy or how I am obligated to flirt.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

okay...It's fine to say "I don't agree with you" but there isn't really need to be offensive.

I agree with Father Heathen. There is no reason to even respect the opinion that women are here to serve the sexual cravings of men, and they have to fit into a predefined role of femininity to be considered "real" women. Women have had to sacrifice much and work very hard just to elevate our status up to where it is, which is still no where close to being socially equal to men. Expecting us to behave in a certain way just to please men will only work to destroy what progress women have made. I have no problems with women who want to be that, but I do have a problem with it being expected that all women act like that.

 

[Iti oj]

I.don't understand. How you can make a thread called.how woman should treat men about.woman being e what men want and call that feminism

 

[Riverwolf]

Such a dishonest, unsubstantiated view is not worthy of respect.

I agree with Father Heathen. There is no reason to even respect the opinion that women are here to serve the sexual cravings of men, and they have to fit into a predefined role of femininity to be considered "real" women. Women have had to sacrifice much and work very hard just to elevate our status up to where it is, which is still no where close to being socially equal to men. Expecting us to behave in a certain way just to please men will only work to destroy what progress women have made. I have no problems with women who want to be that, but I do have a problem with it being expected that all women act like that.

Even I am with you guys, and I'm a "respect thine enemy" type of person.

By default, I respect people and their opinions when I know little or nothing about them. But that respect can be lost if certain conditions are met, and this is one of them. I respect peoples' rights to have whatever opinions they want, but that doesn't mean I will respect the opinion itself. There's a difference. I respect the KKK's right to have their opinion, but the opinion itself is not worthy of Woden's ****.

This particular topic is one that I, also, have a stake in, because I'm a very feminine man (heck, I'm only barely cis man; a friend has suggested that I'm non-binary). The idea that femininity is something exclusive to people who have vaginas is offensive to me, not only to my cultural sensibilities, but personally, since I'm a feminine person with a penis. I identify far more strongly with women than I do men, and so am more likely to seek companionship from them, and this is independent of my heterosexuality (as evidenced by the fact that I also typically play as women in video games whenever I'm given the chance). If women are supposed to be feminine in a certain way, the implication is that men should never be, and should be masculine in a certain way. Screw that. I am who I am, and I'm a fan of Sailor Moon because I identify with the Senshi, each in different ways, and I shouldn't have been afraid of that as a kid.

 

[crossfire]

In the last decades, especially in the US, women have become less and less feminine, especially when they have to deal with the opposite gender. Women have become more and more aggressive and treat men as dirty filthy creatures, as if they had no feelings.
Men always complain about women: most of them become misogynists. And misogyny can lead to male homosexuality. That's why the number of gay men is so high, nowadays. And I assure you that the 70 % of gay men were not born gay.

Women should be feminine: they are supposed to be always sweet, smiling and caring with men.
and always seductive. That's femininity. I can give you an example of real woman

ROFLMAO!

 

[Estro Felino]

I.don't understand. How you can make a thread called.how woman should treat men about.woman being e what men want and call that feminism

I just said that women should always be sweet and kind to men.
I don't think I said something so monstrous.

I would have, if I had said that women should always be rude and aggressive to men.

 

[savagewind]

The video does NOT portray "sweet and kind" imo. It looks to me she is being sexy and selfish.

 

[gsa]

In the last decades, especially in the US, women have become less and less feminine, especially when they have to deal with the opposite gender. Women have become more and more aggressive and treat men as dirty filthy creatures, as if they had no feelings.
Men always complain about women: most of them become misogynists. And misogyny can lead to male homosexuality. That's why the number of gay men is so high, nowadays. And I assure you that the 70 % of gay men were not born gay.

Women should be feminine: they are supposed to be always sweet, smiling and caring with men.
and always seductive. That's femininity. I can give you an example of real woman

So everything that I put in bold is false, which leaves "In the last decades," which isn't even really an assertion that can be tested for truth or falsity.

I hope for your sake that you are simply trolling and do not believe any of this.

 

[crossfire]

@Hay85 Do you mind if I call you Charlie Hebdo?

 

[Riverwolf]

I just said that women should always be sweet and kind to men.
I don't think I said something so monstrous.

I would have, if I had said that women should always be rude and aggressive to men.

Both are equally bad, even if one of them doesn't look it at first.

You see, it's bad because you're saying that women (not people in general, specifically women) should(inherent obligation) always (i.e., without any exception regardless of any particular situation), be something(doesn't matter what) to men (again, not people in general, specifically men).

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I just said that women should always be sweet and kind to men.
I don't think I said something so monstrous.

I would have, if I had said that women should always be rude and aggressive to men.

Seeing that you don't see what is problematic with your sentiment about how women should ALWAYS be sweet and kind to men....that's why you are not understanding the nature of the responses you are getting.

 

[Father Heathen]

I just said that women should always be sweet and kind to men.

And I say that Italians should always loudly exclaim "Mama mia! That's a spicy meatball!" at frequent intervals.

Go on. Say it.