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How would Romans know?
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technomage
Finding my own way
According to the Christian narrative, the Romans didn't _know_ they were fulfilling a prophecy. They were just doing what they were going to do anyway.
Most likely, it's simply a theological addition by the unknown author of GoMatt. Several of the "in order to fulfill the prophecy" pericopes in GoMatt distorted the Tanakh passages that they assert are "fulfilled prophecies."
A case of the Texas Sharpshooter.....
Guy shoots at a barn half a mile away, walks to the barn, & paints a bullseye centered on the bullet hole.
Guy shoots at a barn half a mile away, walks to the barn, & paints a bullseye centered on the bullet hole.
The execution party fulfilled other prophecies as well. They did not break any of his bones, and they pierced his side with a spear, after Jesus died, to fulfill Psalm 34:20 and Isaiah 53:5.
OK. Therefore?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Therefore he desires an understanding so that he may no longer be baffled.
To understand what?
Well isn't this the christian narrative?
It is the Roman soldiers who say>
King James Bible
They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did.
i.e. it is the Roman soldiers speaking. So how would they know what prophesies are to be fulfilled?
Didn't the Romans have their own religion and living God, Caesar?
I like your thinking.
Indeed.
Yes good ole Matty always seems to have an Old Testament prophecy on tap doesnt he.
I wonder why he kept silent when it came to the Jews not being allowed to put Jesus to death when there are a few occasions in the New testament that prove to the contrary?
technomage
Finding my own way
The asserted quote was "Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it whose it shall be." While the KJV doesn't make it clear, the rest of the verse is an editorial addition by the author of Matthew, not a statement by the Roman soldiers.
Huh
RabbiO
הרב יונה בן זכריה
Except that your quote is actually John 19:24.
As to the passage itself it is important to note that the KJV does not use quotation marks so while it may appear at first glance that the soldiers are saying that they are fulfilling prophecy, actually they're not.
Peter
Try following the thread. my mention of Mathew was in reply to this quote fro arcanum.
Huh
Huh, wha the? :sleep:
CMike
Well-Known Member
In correct context and translations.
No jewish scriptures have anything to do with jesus.
seeking4truth
Active Member
This is a big claim.
It would seem that Jesus was accepted as a teacher for a long time before he claimed to be the Messiah and then was rejected by the temple authorities in Jerusalem.
He did have influence and authority before then and later in Samaria - Samaritans are Jews I believe.
How do you know his writing has not been absorbed into Jewish teachings?
There are many who say that the Dead Sea Scrolls were the records of those Jews who accepted and followed Jesus as 'the Teacher of Righteousness'.
CMike
Well-Known Member
Because Jews don't take self proclaimed gods seriously.