How would you define secular Jew?

[IndigoChild5559]

Yes, regardless of legend or history--there is a dividing point between those religions claiming a basis of faith in the account somewhere about Abraham.

I'm sorry, but in the context of my remark which you quoted, this makes no sense. You say YES, but what are you agreeing with if not the remark I made? Then you go on to say something that I have no idea what you mean.

 

[YoursTrue]

I'm sorry, but in the context of my remark which you quoted, this makes no sense. You say YES, but what are you agreeing with if not the remark I made? Then you go on to say something that I have no idea what you mean.

ok, by yes I meant I understand your thought. Somehow someone knew about Abraham, whether you believe it or not -- but now I wonder if you even think Moses existed. My answer if that is the case is: oh well.

 

[LuisDantas]

So then you would say the "Abrahamic religions" are all fictional(?)

The religions are real enough, with a significant proviso.

There is at least one of the three best-known Abrahamics that goes out of its way in order to fail my personal criteria for actually being a religion, so I prefer to call it a creed instead. Even then, that is an actual, real, existing creed. It is not fictional in the same sense that some D&D belief would be.

Whether Abraham and others correspond to actual living people in some degree or ever did is something else entirely, and would require more evidence than I feel that I have found.

I have no problem whatsoever with real, valid, worthy religions that happen to refer to fully fictional people. If anything, I may well prefer those.

Apparently mine is not a very popular and perhaps also not a very welcome stance from a typical Abrahamic perspective. I don't really understand why. But it is not for me to tell how any Abrahamic creed or religion should feel about my criteria.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

ok, by yes I meant I understand your thought. Somehow someone knew about Abraham, whether you believe it or not -- but now I wonder if you even think Moses existed. My answer if that is the case is: oh well.

Do I think there was an individual with whom Jewish law has its origin? Yes. However, that fact is not significant to why the Law is relevant to me.