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Mark Charles Compton

Pineal Peruser
I. Gave. No. Advice.

The thing is, @ChristineM is correct in her assessment that people in a precarious mental state are more susceptible to suggestion and influence. Beyond that, the idea of solving the problems that we are presented with through our own volition is highly attractive and such an individual has a good chance to be desperate for any solution, especially solutions that potentially enforce the idea that the cause of their torment is just in their imagination.

As I'm regularly misinterpreted and my points taken the wrong way. I assume I'm not the only one who experiences this. So, potentially someone could take your opinion as advice causing themselves to make a tragic and unfortunate decision.

Do you honestly believe everyone is diagnosed correctly?
Lots of kids have been put on meds for just being kids.

I think these are prime examples to represent the saying, "The exception proves the rule, in cases not excepted."
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member

And you still avoid the question.

And yes, we can all provide links, there are thousands like this?

Real‐world effectiveness of antipsychotics.

Their results showed that using any antipsychotic drug was associated with a lower risk of mental and physical health events (i.e., suicide, any death, hospitalization, or an emergency hospital visit due to a mental or physical disorder), when compared to no use of an antipsychotic.

Not new, but peer reviewed and accepted by the psychiatric profession.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
And you still avoid the question.

And yes, we can all provide links, there are thousands like this?

Real‐world effectiveness of antipsychotics.

Their results showed that using any antipsychotic drug was associated with a lower risk of mental and physical health events (i.e., suicide, any death, hospitalization, or an emergency hospital visit due to a mental or physical disorder), when compared to no use of an antipsychotic.

Not new, but peer reviewed and accepted by the psychiatric profession.
"There is already a dark history of children and teens being drugged in the U.S. According to IQVia’s Total Patient Tracker Database for Year 2019, extracted February 2020, over 6.7 million children in the U.S. were prescribed psychotropic drugs, of which 1,022,918 were prescribed antipsychotics and 2,148,871, given antidepressants. Over 1.3 million were prescribed anti-anxiety drugs and 3,396,066 prescribed “ADHD” drugs, many of which are more potent than cocaine.[31]
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
And you still avoid the question.

And yes, we can all provide links, there are thousands like this?

Real‐world effectiveness of antipsychotics.

Their results showed that using any antipsychotic drug was associated with a lower risk of mental and physical health events (i.e., suicide, any death, hospitalization, or an emergency hospital visit due to a mental or physical disorder), when compared to no use of an antipsychotic.

Not new, but peer reviewed and accepted by the psychiatric profession.
Of course it's accepted. It's much easier to drug people than deal with the issues.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
"There is already a dark history of children and teens being drugged in the U.S. According to IQVia’s Total Patient Tracker Database for Year 2019, extracted February 2020, over 6.7 million children in the U.S. were prescribed psychotropic drugs, of which 1,022,918 were prescribed antipsychotics and 2,148,871, given antidepressants. Over 1.3 million were prescribed anti-anxiety drugs and 3,396,066 prescribed “ADHD” drugs, many of which are more potent than cocaine.[31]

Yes and, so forget the parts showing the advantages to those in need.

Anyway i give up, you are not worth it, welcome to my ignore list
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
Yes and, so forget the parts showing the advantages to those in need.

Anyway i give up, you are not worth it, welcome to my ignore list
Lol, facts are hard to face, I know. The ignore list seems to be the go-to now with anybody on here that gets their feelings hurt.
 

Mark Charles Compton

Pineal Peruser
This article is first of all, insane, it's regarding "pre-drugging" young children almost as a form of 'preventative care' for people with onset symptoms of psychosis, which seems sketchy to begin with. Sounds like a case similar to Purdue Pharmaceuticals where profits take precedence over practice.

Personally, except in clear cut cases, I'm against introducing any drugs to young children, especially ones that have major impacts on their developing mind.

Edit: I mean... if this practice was peer approved (which according to the article it is not!) what would the next step be? Were we going to start injecting medications into the womb because there have been studies that show there may be a hereditary link to psychotic disorders? At least it seems to be disapproved of by the medical field in general. As an 80s baby I grew up with a bunch of my school mates being diagnosed and prescribed ADHD medication, not a fan.
 
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ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
This article is first of all, insane, it's regarding "pre-drugging" young children almost as a form of 'preventative care' for people with onset symptoms of psychosis, which seems sketchy to begin with. Sounds like a case similar to Purdue Pharmaceuticals where profits take precedence over practice.

Personally, except in clear cut cases, I'm against introducing any drugs to young children, especially ones that have major impacts on their developing mind.

I wouldn't bother, there is no way he will accept that being flippant with schizophrenics can be very dangerous
 

Audie

Veteran Member
It is said in various religions that God calls on certain individuals for a holy mission.

Perhaps all of us are called to the holy mission, yet few take it up.

How would you know if God called on you for a holy mission? Would it be super obvious (burning bush)? Or would it be more subtle? A thought that crosses your mind that is perhaps a revelation?

There are no burning bushes in the present (right?). Are we supposed to believe God doesn't call on people still?

My former pastor would say that the reason there aren't any miracles or prophets of the sort anymore was because the Bible was here so there is no need for modern showcases of God. The people of the Bible were showcased God and His power, so there was no doubt in their mind that He existed. Lucky them!

How do we experience God? How do we find Him? How do we know when we are called?

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I am unsure if I am delusional or if I am called to help free humanity from their suffering. My psychiatrist is upping my antipsychotics to treat my "delusions of grandeur". I'm going to ask him to work me up to the max dosage. With the amount I'm on now, I don't obsess over my holy mission anymore. But when I let myself think on it, I know for sure I have been called. I have a unique perspective that most people are blind to. I have seen the end, okay!

My medical treatment is an attempt at domestication. Without the meds, I am unhinged, motivated, invincible, ambitious, and I see my mission clearly. Without my meds, I am treated different by society. People can instantly tell I'm "crazy" and discriminate against me.

I've been dabbling with living a "normal life". I act very normal on my medication; no one knows I'm ill. People treat me like a regular person. My family tells me how proud they are because how far I've come since I've started treatment.

Yet I feel like Jonah running away from Yahweh. I am on a boat heading directly away from Nineveh. Will a great fish swallow me up and bring me back into the fold? This attempt at domestication is futile I sometimes think.

So that's my story.

How would you know if you were called by God? How would you know for sure you aren't delusional?
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ajay0

Well-Known Member
How would you know if you were called by God? How would you know for sure you aren't delusional?

I believe that nature has an intelligence of its own which creates the tremendous diversity around us.

Spiritual exercises of proven utility help us to connect to this intelligence. Meditation, present moment awareness or mindfulness, heightented prana levels, enables me to tune into this subtle intelligence and hear the inner voice, which aids me in decision making. This was taught to me by an enlightened master,and I find it a very useful tool.

However it is important to make a distinction between the inner voice of intuition and the desires instilled within us by social conditioning. Intelligent practice for a period of time will enable you to distinguish between the two.
 

Exaltist Ethan

Bridging the Gap Between Believers and Skeptics
@Xavier Graham I am mentally ill too, but when I stop taking my meds, I am so focused on how I feel that I don't have any time or thoughts on God. I actually become an atheist and try to find patterns where there are none. My mental illness manifests in erotomania and hypersexuality. I devote my entire waking time to female YouTube celebrities, watching their videos, re-watching and in the comments section a lot. Simply put, love becomes such a huge focus on my life that nothing else can go through me.

However, when I am on meds, I revert back to my teenage years, when I had a lot of wonder and awe about the world. I think a lot about God and spirituality. It took me a long time to find my religion. I took the basic concept of transhumanist spirituality, found Terasem from that, and from Terasem I found Earthseed, where the ideas and concepts of Terasem come from. Earthseed, and the idea, "God is change" and Syntheism - the theology we're creating now, is just a simple extension of how I developed as a teenager.

If I were to go off my meds again, I would probably revert back to atheism, and be completely self-absorbed into my own incel behavior. It's not healthy. It sounds like we both suffer from bipolar mania, but deal with it in different ways. I found God when I was 14, before my first manic episode, and before I developed delusions as an adult. My delusions don't give me a mission from God, but rather, I focus so much on romance and obsess about it so much, and make irrational rules and behaviors, that it's completely unhealthy.

When I am undermedicated I keep my rationale brain, but feel irritable and agitated all the time. It's awful. I am on a mood stabilizer and two anti-psychotics. I cannot be on anti-depressants or benzos, the 'feel good' meds. I've never been on stimulates either.

My point is, not all mental illness is the same. I become more religious when I'm on meds, you become less. They say that medication helps reset your brain to a point before you were actually mentally ill. For me, that means I go back to 14 or 15. But that doesn't mean I am not mature - yes, parts of me think very similarly to when I was that age, but I have grown a lot since then. I found the religion that I now identify with. I am part of something greater than myself.

But it sounds like you are still religious with meds, you just don't have the same drive and ambition you used to have. I believe that we are all called by our own changes to shape the synverses how we desire. The only difference between someone that is successful and someone who is crazy is, if other people believe him. Obviously, when you are off meds, you act irrationally enough that other people don't believe that you are on a holy mission.

Honestly, I think two things should happen. 1 - you should keep taking your meds, so people believe what you're saying but 2 - if it is still possible at all, use the Gods you believe in to find the purpose in your life that you seek. I know for a fact that coming down from a manic episode, it may feel like you know so much and can think so well, and everything just connects - but let me tell you - it doesn't. But if you can take your medication properly, keep your Gods close, I know you can find the purpose in your life that you're looking for.

I am now RF's leading Earthseed advocate. That is the change I bring to try to change various synverses. I have defined divinity as both natural and manmade, and I want to find the best qualities of both to bring about the most positive change possible. These essays that I write, two of them are on the Pantheist DIR alone, helps me understand myself and where my theology fits. Because my mental illness was triggered when I was 18, I really only lost four years of mental progress regarding this. I had pitfalls since then, but since I've been 23, I've known about and accepted my mental illness.

Remember, you have to make one step back to go two steps forward. And there are SO many examples I could make where this is the case. But I have no doubt that you are going to find your purpose in this life. If you can be medicated and still be motivated enough to carry on your divine message, then at least at that point, other people might begin to believe you. And at that point, you'll be mindful to verify and even believe in yourself. I found myself in the medications I take, instead of losing myself or any meaningful part of me.

Good luck.
 
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