Huckabee defends Duggars over Teenage Molestation Accusations

[SomeRandom]

I don't know what the underlined phrase means.
It isn't a "jovial" issue.
But I was sarchastic about some extreme reactions to the OP & link therein.

I keep forgetting that RF censors swear words. Maybe mocking peeps is a better phrase to use

 

[Revoltingest]

I keep forgetting that RF censors swear words. Maybe mocking peeps is a better phrase to use

Old prohibitions have been relaxed though.
I can post things which I previously couldn't.
(But I use the tamer ones, & sparingly.)

 

[SomeRandom]

Old prohibitions have been relaxed though.
I can post things which I previously couldn't.
(But I use the tamer ones, & sparingly.)

Whoa! They used to be even more strict around here?

 

[Revoltingest]

Whoa! They used to be even more strict around here?

Aye, sometimes even ordinary words were automatically replaced by a string of asterisks.
"Fist" wasn't allowed. I'm ashamed to admit that I don't know why it would be banned.
It must have some meaning unknown to me. (I lead a sheltered life.)
But I'll stop digressing so discussion of the OP can continue without distraction.

 

[sageowl]

Thanks for posting this. Huckabee is a dink and an enabler.

 

[Revoltingest]

Another link about Huckabee's judgement in such matters....
Documents Expose Huckabee's Role In Serial Rapist's Release

 

[JoStories]

The OP & linked article are about Huckabee's defending the Duggars. But the quotes attributed to him merely stated support for the family. What I see (which differs from what some others focus upon) is a misrepresentation of Huckabee's intent.
- That he's called a "douche bag" is an over-reaction to what is at worst impolitic support for a family in his state.
- That "rape" is used in a discussion of what (according to all links I've seen so far) of touching is inaccurate inflaming.

I've not had such a tragedy in my family, which would explain our different reactions.
I can only imagine your family's pain.
Nonetheless, we do have a responsibility to avoid making this into something it isn't.

Btw, like the size of my text....big enuf?
(My vision ain't what it once was either.)

1. I never stated that the man raped anyone. I said I was and my daughter was. I stated he was a predator and a couple of references but that is not an accusation of rape. And btw, you might want to look up the defintion of rape. While it usually does mean penetration, it does not always mean that.
2. I never called huckabee a douche bag either. I don't like his support but I have come to expect such things from red neck Christian republican pundits. I don't think much else needs to be said of him, IMO.
3. Touching? Are you serious here? Do you have any concept of the long term ramifications that this can have on a person? Clearly, you do not. This is not touching. You are downplaying something that is not only illegal, it's heinous in the extreme. I speak for children who have had this done to them and trust me when I say the effects last a lifetime.
4. Something this isn't? This guy is a sexual predator. Someone who does this doesn't stop. Studies prove that. I would suggest some research into the lasting effects even 'touching' can have on children. And also the fact the to date, there is no 'cure' for sexual deviance.
5. Assuming you're not being rude, I do thank you for enlarging the font. It truly helps.

 

[JoStories]

I just saw this about your daughter. ****, I'm so so sorry.

You're doing great by continuing to speak up. Because one of the things used against survivors is by silencing them or by dismissing their experiences or by using their trauma/PTSD against them. When we are silent, and we don't point to crimes of sexual violence as real, only that is how we can be complicit in it being perpetuated. So we have to keep speaking up about the violence, the trauma, the pain, the shame, and how survivors are many times re-victimized by the justice system and the culture currently in place.

I speak up too. If you can imagine it, I'm standing right by you. Thank you so much for sharing your story, for sharing your daughters story, and for your courage and her courage to speak up and to fight against injustice.

It is rather rare but you have moved me to tears. I can't thank you enough for your post and your encouragement, I've long ago left the role of victim and now am a survivor and victim/survivor advocate. And I will continue to shout to the rooftops in defense of children and men/women who have been victims. Rock on my dear friend. I am right there with you.

 

[Revoltingest]

1. I never stated that the man raped anyone.

I spoke generally, & not about your posts.
I was inadequately clear about that.

I said I was and my daughter was. I stated he was a predator and a couple of references but that is not an accusation of rape. And btw, you might want to look up the defintion of rape. While it usually does mean penetration, it does not always mean that.
2. I never called huckabee a douche bag either. I don't like his support but I have come to expect such things from red neck Christian republican pundits. I don't think much else needs to be said of him, IMO.
3. Touching? Are you serious here? Do you have any concept of the long term ramifications that this can have on a person? Clearly, you do not. This is not touching. You are downplaying something that is not only illegal, it's heinous in the extreme. I speak for children who have had this done to them and trust me when I say the effects last a lifetime.
4. Something this isn't? This guy is a sexual predator. Someone who does this doesn't stop. Studies prove that. I would suggest some research into the lasting effects even 'touching' can have on children. And also the fact the to date, there is no 'cure' for sexual deviance.

- I haven't faulted you personally in my posts.
- By saying that touching is different from rape, I'm not minimizing its effect. I would rank it as generally less severe than rape. But we must be aware that severity of effect will vary with the individual, so that generality is not always the case.

5. Assuming you're not being rude, I do thank you for enlarging the font. It truly helps.

I'm usually rude, but not in this case...& usually not intentionally.
I just recall your earlier post, & copied your font size (#6 in the RF choices).
Whether my posts delight or offend, I take care to make them easy to read.

Edit:
Btw, I commend you on your level of civility, even though I've offended (unintentionally) you.
You've asked many questions in lieu of proclaiming.
To answer instead of object is a breath of fresh air.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

- That he's called a "douche bag" is an over-reaction to what is at worst impolitic support for a family in his state.

Actually, I called him that because I have read one of his books, not just because of this incident.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

- That he's called a "douche bag" is an over-reaction to what is at worst impolitic support for a family in his state.

Actually, I called him that because I have read one of his books, not just because of this incident.

 

[Revoltingest]

Actually, I called him that because I have read one of his books, not just because of this incident.

Double posting me again, eh?
I'm starting to take this personally!
Anyway, I did catch your book reference, but I thought it an over-reaction.

Note: After reading about Huckabee's release (as governor) of the serial rapist,
I'm beginning to think your language was too nice. Evidence points to his
having exercised extremely poor judgement.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Double posting me again, eh?
I'm starting to take this personally!
Anyway, I did catch your book reference, but I thought it an over-reaction.

Note: After reading about Huckabee's release (as governor) of the serial rapist,
I'm beginning to think your language was too nice. Evidence points to his
having exercised extremely poor judgement.

He ditched a rental car because he was too inconvenienced by parking and getting out. And, anyone who is on Fox News (although I caught on a news article title he isn't anymore) is more than deserving of the title "douche bag."

 

[Revoltingest]

He ditched a rental car because he was too inconvenienced by parking and getting out. And, anyone who is on Fox News (although I caught on a news article title he isn't anymore) is more than deserving of the title "douche bag."

That's too broad.
While I don't watch Fox News, I've sampled it on occasion.
I don't think they're douche bags.....
Juan Williams
John Stossel
Matt Drudge
But it's been a while since I've been able to stomach TV news or commentary.

 

[JoStories]

I spoke generally, & not about your posts.
I was inadequately clear about that.

- I haven't faulted you personally in my posts.
- By saying that touching is different from rape, I'm not minimizing its effect. I would rank it as generally less severe than rape. But we must be aware that severity of effect will vary with the individual, so that generality is not always the case.

I'm usually rude, but not in this case...& usually not intentionally.
I just recall your earlier post, & copied your font size (#6 in the RF choices).
Whether my posts delight or offend, I take care to make them easy to read.

Edit:
Btw, I commend you on your level of civility, even though I've offended (unintentionally) you.
You've asked many questions in lieu of proclaiming.
To answer instead of object is a breath of fresh air.

I thank you for this admission. Having read your posts for some time now, I recognize that you do have this tendency to be...curt?....at times but I have no issue with people having strong well voiced opinions. Some of the topics here can be hot button topics, such as this one. I have to disagree with you that touching in different from rape. Of course with children, rape as in penetration, is more damaging physically, obviously, because I know this first hand from my own and my daughter"s damage, however, that being said, the psychological damage is no different, and can be worse. And let me tell you...often when a child is 'touched' they are often downplayed about this and made to feel as it: 1. Was their imagination or that it was their fault, or 2. That they should just 'get over it'. They often never get counseling. I was, before I retired, a SANE nurse. That is to say, a sexual abuse nurse examiner. It is a heartbreaking job, no matter the age of the victim but when it comes to children, you can't imagine the trauma of this, both acute and long term. Then you have the parents who tend toward two reactions. Outrage, where in they wish to kill the person and show the child nothing but anger...bad for the child, or they deny it, and when it was a family member, they often deny it vehemently or they blame the child. Try to imagine that. It was, from reading your posts, what you were seeming to intimate when it seemed you were defending this man. There can be NO excuse for sexual abuse of a child. Not ever. And I apologize for the long post.

 

[Revoltingest]

I thank you for this admission. Having read your posts for some time now, I recognize that you do have this tendency to be...curt?....at times but I have no issue with people having strong well voiced opinions.

"Curt"....that's so diplomatic.
It doesn't even begin to address my cluelessness about other
people's feelings, my lack of empathy, & my social backwardness.

Some of the topics here can be hot button topics, such as this one. I have to disagree with you that touching in different from rape. Of course with children, rape as in penetration, is more damaging physically....

And this is my point, ie, that rape (penetrative sex) is the generally more harmful sexual assault. It's a difference worth recognizing, particularly in a criminal context.

....obviously, because I know this first hand from my own and my daughter"s damage, however, that being said, the psychological damage is no different, and can be worse. And let me tell you...often when a child is 'touched' they are often downplayed about this and made to feel as it: 1. Was their imagination or that it was their fault, or 2. That they should just 'get over it'. They often never get counseling. I was, before I retired, a SANE nurse. That is to say, a sexual abuse nurse examiner. It is a heartbreaking job, no matter the age of the victim but when it comes to children, you can't imagine the trauma of this, both acute and long term. Then you have the parents who tend toward two reactions. Outrage, where in they wish to kill the person and show the child nothing but anger...bad for the child, or they deny it, and when it was a family member, they often deny it vehemently or they blame the child. Try to imagine that. It was, from reading your posts, what you were seeming to intimate when it seemed you were defending this man. There can be NO excuse for sexual abuse of a child. Not ever. And I apologize for the long post.

Not so long a post.
Besides, ya gotta say what ya gotta say, eh? Can't hold it in.... tis unhealthy.
And we agree about the sanctity of bodily autonomy, especially with children.
(I think we were just "misaligned" in our conversation. I hope this is fixed.)

 

[JoStories]

"Curt"....that's so diplomatic.
It doesn't even begin to address my cluelessness about other
people's feelings, my lack of empathy, & my social backwardness.

And this is my point, ie, that rape (penetrative sex) is the generally more harmful sexual assault. It's a difference worth recognizing, particularly in a criminal context.

Not so long a post.
Besides, ya gotta say what ya gotta say, eh? Can't hold it in.... tis unhealthy.
And we agree about the sanctity of bodily autonomy, especially with children.
(I think we were just "misaligned" in our conversation. I hope this is fixed.)

Yes but again, physical rape may be more physically harmful but ANY abuse is harmful no more so when its dismissed, diminished and/or swept under the carpet. I had hoped I had made that more clear.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes but again, physical rape may be more physically harmful but ANY abuse is harmful no more so when its dismissed, diminished and/or swept under the carpet. I had hoped I had made that more clear.

We are in complete agreement.

 

[maggie2]

It was not a shock to hear about Josh Duggar and his misdeeds from the past. I have no idea why but that show gave me the creeps from the start and I never watched it. I also never liked Bill Cosby and could never understand why until last year. Guess I need to listen to my instincts! I realize that the statute of limitations has run out so there is no way to prosecute Josh now. However, I believe his father should be prosecuted for withholding information from the cops. I assume that is a crime?

Here's my take on this situation. I agree with JoStories. Children are damaged by sexual contact from those older than they are. I should know. I've been there and had that happen to me and it has taken a heck of a lot of work to get beyond it. So I know what it's like. I think there are a lot of things wrong with this whole thing. Here are some of them:

1. First of all, and obviously, it was wrong for Josh Duggar to do what he did in the first place.
2. It was very wrong for his father to not get him counseling. It was wrong not to get trained help for the victims.
3. It was wrong to withhold the information from the courts as Josh should have been held accountable for his misdeeds.
4. It was totally wrong to go on television and portray themselves as this wonderful goody-two-shoes Christian family that was just perfect when they knew darn well that they were anything but. That whole show was nothing but a pack of lies.
5. It was totally wrong for Josh to work for James Dobson's Family Research Council and go around pointing fingers at GLBT folks. He even had the nerve to compare them to pedophiles!!!! What a complete hypocrite.
6. It was wrong for Huckabee to defend Josh Duggar. He was/is a predator and it's the victims that need to be defended, not Josh.

I hope that some of those who put such stock in the whole idea of being a 'good' Christian can see what harm this family has done. They have harmed their own children, the victims, and the general public. They have also harmed those in the Christian faith who have to deal with people frowning on Christianity as a whole. I personally am not part of the Christian faith but I can see how this would damage it.

What a sad day when victims are not supported but perpetrators are. I'd like to go beat someone or something up to get rid of the anger this has stirred in me. I guess even after all these years those of us who have been victims of sexual abuse still find it hard to deal with this kind of thing.

 

[Unification]

How is it over reaction? Have you ever had a child that was raped? My child....CHILD...was raped. She was eight years old. To imagine not over reacting is unimaginable to me. She was destroyed by that action. I had several good friends offered to find the SOB and kill him outright. Because I am Buddhist, I said no. However, there are days I regret that. And do you know what that prick got for a sentence? 2 g****amn years! And do you know what he did when he was released? He raped and murdered a two year old because he tore her up so badly she bled to death. So spare me the overreaction bull merde. It deserves over reaction.

Karma and reincarnation.