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Huge gap between humans and animals

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
If we think deeply of how we came to be and how the universe came to existence
then it's really more than magic, who started things to begin with while there was nothing,
if God then the question how God existed if X then how it existed, no answers.

The way of life of humans and the great gap between humans and animals in terms
of their way of life pointed out that someone planned for it.

I'm not promoting for God, so please don't append God to the topic.

Sorry, that is "because I said so" and nothing else. As has been shown by many throughout this thread the differences are not that great. We have a perfectly goof explanation supported by mountains of evidence. No magical God need apply.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Sorry, that is "because I said so" and nothing else. As has been shown by many throughout this thread the differences are not that great. We have a perfectly goof explanation supported by mountains of evidence. No magical God need apply.

But you can't prove that God doesn't exist, so as to be honest I don't insert God
to this topic, evidences don't prove that God or whatever external power doesn't
exist, the best answer is " we don't know"
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
But you can't prove that God doesn't exist, so as to be honest I don't insert God
to this topic, evidences don't prove that God or whatever external power doesn't
exist, the best answer is " we don't know"
But we do know.
EVOLUTION answers all the questions.

Even if your god existed, he must have used evolution.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
But you can't prove that God doesn't exist, so as to be honest I don't insert God
to this topic, evidences don't prove that God or whatever external power doesn't
exist, the best answer is " we don't know"

So, as there is no way to prove that Batboy does not
exist, we feel the best answer is, "we dont know"?

I dont think so.

I'd go with, "Why bother to talk of such nonsense?"
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I didn't say we came to earth by magic and I didn't say that we differ from other animals
biologically, my point that humans made unique compared to other animals and that
isn't by accident, this is a plan and it's up to you if you prefer to close your eyes and mind.

Physiologically, humans are just another animal.

"Biologically" as you use it, meaning what?

"Unique",sure. The star nosed shrew, the wombat, and
the sardine are also unique. EVERY freakin' thing is.

When you say "plan" you are stating facts not in
evidence, and, it is just exactly the same as saying
"magic".

As for closing mind and eyes, you have pretty much avoided learning any biology, or you'd not talk such twaddle.
 
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Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I'm not talking about biology, but I see that our existence as humans were planned for,
no species on earth is comparable to humans
You keep saying this, but this is a false statement. You don't think having a vertebra, nervous system, a brain, a bi-lateral body plan, eyes, limbs, mobility, digestive systems, etc., are found in a vast array of other species? In fact, I'd say what distinguishes us, is a very, very, small list of qualities.

Maybe you should make a list of similarities, and differences. I'll bet the differences are very few by comparison to the similarities! And yet, you see the few as "all".
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
But you can't prove that God doesn't exist, so as to be honest I don't insert God
to this topic, evidences don't prove that God or whatever external power doesn't
exist, the best answer is " we don't know"
You have that backwards, you need to prove that he does exist. And I can prove that some versions of God do not exist. I am betting your version of God is one of those.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
I didn't say we came to earth by magic
If not by magic, how would you say humans came to earth.


Oh, wait. Here are some clues...
  • my point that humans made unique compared to other animals
  • this is a plan
So, you believe humans are made according to a plan.

I don't know why you are tap dancing around the point. Despite the advances in knowledge over the past 5000 years, you choose to believe that GodDidIt. That's OK. Just come out and say it.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
...so as to be honest I don't insert God
to this topic,
Why not? Why are you unable to admit that your viewpoint is GodDidIt?


evidences don't prove that God or whatever external power doesn't
exist, the best answer is " we don't know"
Nonsense. We do know. "WE" includes you.

Even you must know that the Greek and Roman gods are not real and are just the creation of man's imaginings.
Even you must know that Shiva and Pinga are not real and are just the creation of man's imaginings.
Even you must know that Ogun and Olorun are not real and are just the creation of man's imaginings.
You and I know this. So saying "we don't know" is nonsense.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Which God? Provide evidence that rules out all other gods.
What did He do? Universe? Man? Please provide evidence to support your claims.
When did He do it? Provide evidence for timing.
time does not exist.....

neither does the photo, the fingerprint, the equation, the repeatable experiment

but there is that remarkable report in Genesis
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
we're completely different that no animal can be compared to us

Any two things, processes, or relationships can be compared (list of commonalities) and contrasted (their differences). Somebody asked you to compare and contrast man with chimps. If you do, you will see a huge list of commonalities (eukaryotic, multicellular, vertebrates, tetrapods, mammals, primates, great apes, same genetic code, same Krebs cycle, same oxidative phosphorylation pathway, same cell populations in the marrow and blood) and differences (diet, dentition, relative length of the arms to legs, means of locomotion [chimps brachiate], and literacy/numeracy among others).

we feel sad, happy, smile. cry, think,

My dog does all of that. Put those in the list of similaries.

Forget about God if you hate to think about such an idea
but still our existence isn't a matter of coincidence and chance.

That's an unsupported claim. Although it may be correct, there is no reason to believe that is at this time. Blind (or undirected) mechanisms seem to have the ability to generate complex organisms from their ingredients given sufficient time and a relatively stable environment conducive to abiogenesis and biological evolution.

If they don't, we don't know it yet, and therefore cannot rule them out..

Do you know the informal logical fallacy based in incredulity - basically, "I can't see how it could have happened, therefore I am declaring it impossible and scratching it off the list of candidate hypotheses." That's a logical error.

Perhaps it would help us to understand what you are talking about. Because you point is lost on me.

my point that humans made unique compared to other animals and that
isn't by accident, this is a plan and it's up to you if you prefer to close your eyes and mind.

But it's you that has closed his mine. Gods are still on my list of candidate hypotheses for the formation of the universe and the life in it because I have no way to rule them out just as you have no way to rule out a godless universe and blind, undirected, natural processes. The difference is that you have prematurely and unjustifiably truncated your list.

Furthermore, according to Occam's Razor and the principle of parsimony, we prefer the simplest explanation that accounts for the relevant observations to date. The naturalistic one requires no gods. The supernaturalistic ones do, which adds additional complexity not demonstrably necessary. That moves supernaturalistic hypotheses to the second position on the list.

I'm not promoting for God, so please don't append God to the topic.

Sure you are, just not overtly. You position is a common one, and is always motivated by a desire to undermine the science that seems to contradict religious beliefs. What other reason is there to say that naturalistic processes are insufficient to account for what we see around us? Who else does that but the religious who feel threatened by naturalistic science?

You mentioned aliens earlier as an alternative to Gods as intelligent designers, but that just moves the problem back a step. How did these aliens come to be? Did their ancestors have an evolutionary phase following naturalistic abiogenesis? If so, we're just transferring the platform where all of this occurred from earth to an exoplanet

But you can't prove that God doesn't exist

No need. Until a god manifests unequivocably, we live as if no god exists, just as we live as no vampires or leprechauns exist without any proof that they don't. Seeing no vampires or leprechauns, and no evidence for them, is a good enough reason to live as if they had been proven to not exist, and to consider the thinking of anyone that believes in their existence anyway faith-based and flawed.

I assume that you are an avampirist and aleprechaunist as well, and would be equally unmoved if I told you that you can prove that they don't exist. So what, right?
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Which God? Provide evidence that rules out all other gods.
What did He do? Universe? Man? Please provide evidence to support your claims.
When did He do it? Provide evidence for timing.
time does not exist.....

neither does the photo, the fingerprint, the equation, the repeatable experiment

but there is that remarkable report in Genesis
You didn't even try to address my questions. Why is that? Oh, wait, let me guess. You don't have any evidence.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
The atheists are more hard minded than even the fundamentalists.

While humans are far different than all animals on earth, can any animal drive a car,
can an animal learn to read and wright, the atheists keep in saying " everything is unique"
and then they started to say tell us that God did it.

Actually I'm frank at this point, yes an intelligent entity did it and this entity created the nature that was
the process for life to exist.

Prove me wrong.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
The atheists are more hard minded than even the fundamentalists.

While humans are far different than all animals on earth, can any animal drive a car,
can an animal learn to read and wright, the atheists keep in saying " everything is unique"
and then they started to say tell us that God did it.

Actually I'm frank at this point, yes an intelligent entity did it and this entity created the nature that was
the process for life to exist.

Prove me wrong.

You cannot make a point without making up false and invidious stereotypes for people you do not know?

As to your killer-gotcha argument, lets see how good it is.

"I have an alien space port in my molars. Prove me
wrong."

Well? Care to try?

One other little detail.

If I want to make that as a statement of FACT, as you did
with you "intelligent entity" (magic) then it is as up to you
to prove it so, as it would be for me to prove a claim that
I am the Empress of Madagascar.

assertion of facts not in evidence, which is all that you've
done other than insult people who dont take to your silly
logiccould easily be confused with lying.

In court, the call in perjury, and you could get into big trouble.

"Prove me wrong" will not impress the judge if you make outlandish
and unsupportable claims.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
The atheists are more hard minded than even the fundamentalists.

Actually I'm frank at this point, yes an intelligent entity did it and this entity created the nature that was
the process for life to exist.

Prove me wrong.
And it all happened Last Thursday. Prove me wrong.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
You cannot make a point without making up false and invidious stereotypes for people you do not know?

As to your killer-gotcha argument, lets see how good it is.

"I have an alien space port in my molars. Prove me
wrong."

Well? Care to try?

One other little detail.

If I want to make that as a statement of FACT, as you did
with you "intelligent entity" (magic) then it is as up to you
to prove it so, as it would be for me to prove a claim that
I am the Empress of Madagascar.

assertion of facts not in evidence, which is all that you've
done other than insult people who dont take to your silly
logiccould easily be confused with lying.

In court, the call in perjury, and you could get into big trouble.

"Prove me wrong" will not impress the judge if you make outlandish
and unsupportable claims.

I'm telling you facts but you and your fellow atheists don't give scientific answers.

For example if I said to you that falcons are unique because they fly then you can prove
me wrong by saying that Eagles can fly.

I am telling you that humans are unique that no animals on earth can be compared to,
the silly answers that atheists have is "all are unique", I repeated that humans can read and write,
tell me which other animal that can do it, I'm telling you that humans can drive cars, tell me other
animal that can drive cars.

These are facts, prove me wrong.
 
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Audie

Veteran Member
[QUOTE="FearGod, post: 5829727, member: 38584"]I'm telling you facts but you and your fellow atheists don't give scientific answers.

For example if I said to you that falcons are unique because they fly then you can prove
me wrong by saying that Eagles can fly.

I am telling you that humans are unique that no animals on earth can be compared to,
the silly answers that atheists have is "all are unique", I repeated that humans can read and write,
tell me which other animal that can do it, I'm telling you that humans can drive cars, tell me other
animal that can drive cars.

These are facts, prove me wrong.[/QUOTE]


The part in bold is in no way addressing
your invidious falsehoods.

We are all quite aware that people can do
things no other animal can do. Silly
is to hard on that, as if it were something
others are trying to deny.

"All are unique" is not silly, except maybe
to someone who does not understand
what the word means.

But suit yourself on this, there is no adult
conversation to be had with you.
 
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