"Humans are born as atheists"

[leibowde84]

I will flip the coin and do likewise

last weekend I heard a radio preaching about the inherit belief in God
we all have it

That is false. We have a tendency as humans to believe in a higher power, but we are not born with a belief in a specific deity.

 

[Willamena]

I lack belief in everything I am not familiar with.

That's lack of belief entailing ignorance.

 

[leibowde84]

You have it backward: lack of belief can entail ignorance.

I disagree. If you are ignorant of a concept altogether, you necessarily lack belief in it.

 

[Thief]

That is false. We have a tendency as humans to believe in a higher power, but we are not born with a belief in a specific deity.

doesn't have to be specific

 

[Thief]

I disagree. If you are ignorant of a concept altogether, you necessarily lack belief in it.

That is false. We have a tendency as humans to believe in a higher power, but we are not born with a belief in a specific deity.

I disagree. If you are ignorant of a concept altogether, you necessarily lack belief in it.

you have undone yourself

 

[Skwim]

The term "atheist" (not atheism) refers to people who lack belief in the existence of God or gods.

Yeah, I didn't think we'd be giving a straight answer from you.


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[leibowde84]

That's lack of belief entailing ignorance.

Look at it logically.

A entails B = If A then B
If ignorant of the concept of God one is necessarily without (lacks) belief in god.

 

[Willamena]

Because if you are unfamiliar (ignorant) of God in general, you necessarily lack belief in the existence of God.

This says that belief requires no acceptance that a statement is true.

 

[leibowde84]

doesn't have to be specific

Sure it does.

 

[Thief]

Sure it does.

to be sure about anything.....you had to think about it

 

[leibowde84]

Yeah, I didn't think we'd be giving a straight answer from you.


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That was just about as straight/simple as an answer can get. I'm merely going off the definition of the term "atheist". What are you confused about?

 

[leibowde84]

This says that belief requires no acceptance that a statement is true.

No it doesnt. Where'd you get that from. I'm not equating it with disbelief. I'm equating it with lacking a specific belief.

 

[leibowde84]

to be sure about anything.....you had to think about it

Who said anything about atheists having to be sure about anything. Kinda random. Please explain.

 

[Thief]

Who said anything about atheists having to be sure about anything. Kinda random. Please explain.

now you are hoping to place the hoop in front of me
hoping to find a loophole

you have already undone yourself

 

[Willamena]

Look at it logically.

A entails B = If A then B
If ignorant of the concept of God one is necessarily without (lacks) belief in god.

I'm too intoxicated to look at it logically.

1. Belief is the acceptance ("true" value assignment) of a statement.
2. Belief requires a. something to believe in, and b. the capacity to assess it true.
3. If someone is ignorant of a thing, they have neither 2.b. the capacity to assess it true or 2.a. something to believe in.
4. Belief (#1) cannot happen.

Now some people want to say it can happen, but that burden is on them.

 

[Thief]

I'm too intoxicated to look at it logically.

1. Belief is the acceptance ("true" value assignment) of a statement.
2. Belief requires a. something to believe in, and b. the capacity to assess it true.
3. If someone is ignorant of a thing, they have neither 2.b. the capacity to assess it true or 2.a. something to believe in.
4. Belief (#1) cannot happen.

Now some people want to say it can happen, but that burden is on them.

yep.....your logic failed when you wrote #4

 

[Skwim]

That was just about as straight/simple as an answer can get. I'm merely going off the definition of the term "atheist". What are you confused about?

Just waiting for a relevant answer to my question in post 1253.

"What definition of "personhood" does it seem atheists are only applying to people? Personally, I've never seen atheists as a whole do anything with the term "personhood" in regards to people. This is all very strange."


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[leibowde84]

now you are hoping to place the hoop in front of me
hoping to find a loophole

you have already undone yourself

?? This makes no sense. I never claimed that atheism required surety. You brought that up randomly.

 

[Willamena]

No it doesnt. Where'd you get that from. I'm not equating it with disbelief. I'm equating it with lacking a specific belief.

In what way is a belief "lacking" if you are in any way unfamiliar with it?

The answer is that it has nothing to do with you or what you believe. It has to do with a third party.

 

[leibowde84]

I'm too intoxicated to look at it logically.

1. Belief is the acceptance ("true" value assignment) of a statement.
2. Belief requires a. something to believe in, and b. the capacity to assess it true.
3. If someone is ignorant of a thing, they have neither 2.b. the capacity to assess it true or 2.a. something to believe in.
4. Belief (#1) cannot happen.

Now some people want to say it can happen, but that burden is on them.

I agree, you cannot believe in something you are unaware of. Thus, you necessarily lack belief in everything you are unaware of.