Humility Is Not a Virtue

[Curious George]

Then what Aristotle called humility, I call honesty. And what Christians call humility, I call a social ploy to facilitate solicitation.

Is your driving point that the expectation or anticipation of forgiveness, especially in the Christian paradigm, is either at odds with humility or descriptive of humility as a vice?

 

[Cary Cook]

Is your driving point that the expectation or anticipation of forgiveness, especially in the Christian paradigm, is either at odds with humility or descriptive of humility as a vice?

Very close, and thank you for the insight. The point I want to make is that the Christian concept of humility is either the fact or pretense of low self esteem for the purpose of schmoozing an anthropomorphized God who is so base of character as to want that sort of thing.

 

[PureX]

Humility is not a presumption of being "less than" one is. That presumption is just a twisted form of grandiosity. Like thinking, "I'm the biggest piece of crap that ever walked the Earth!". Just as arrogance is also a twisted form of grandiosity. Like thinking; "I'm the greatest thing that ever walked the Earth!".

Humility is the practice of remaining moderately realistic about who or what one is in relation to others.

 

[Thief]

What a super fabulous response. (I might steal the gist of that some day.)

may I humbly submit my expertise in the pilfering of said item?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Got a definition for humility?

Because you can't find one?

Humility - Wikipedia

Outside of a religious context, humility is defined as being "unselved", a liberation from consciousness of self, a form of temperancethat is neither having pride (or haughtiness) nor indulging in self-deprecation.[4][5] The materialistic view characterizes humility as self-restraint that frees oneself from vanity.

 

[Nous]

Armchair psychology doesn't get much cheaper than the example you have given. I would defer to @Nous on this one, but to my thinking, justice is whatever the court sees fit based on the facts of the case before them. It does not equate with what is deserved, it's based on the merits of each case.

Well, I defer back to you because I think your comments are quite right on all fronts.

Further than that, I disagree with the entire premise. In the first place, requesting "better than I deserve" is not an humble request. Anyway, judges decide sentences (and are often constrained by the law) before hearing a convicted person's statement during a sentencing procedure.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

The scenario made no assumptions about guilt. You can add guilt if you want, but then ArrogantGuy apparently wants punishment.

Ahhahhaa. I got it. I was confuuuused.

But no. It doesn't make any sense. Arrogance is a vice. Lacking a vice is not virtue. Humility. I need a dictionary

Humble:
"Marked by meekness or modesty in behavior, attitude, or spirit; not arrogant or prideful."

Yes, it sounds like a virtue.

However we have to take into account that humble might know himself humble, but arrogant rarely thinks they are OR they think they have reason to be. Which leads me to ignorance but it's considered another topic.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

I doubt an arrogant guy would give the judge the time of day. That's sort of how arrogance works. He'd probably fight the case by himself without a lawyer, overestimating his own abilities to do so and be slapped down by the verdict.
Your Humble guy sounds more like a weasel than someone acting with legitimate humility. They'd probably apologize and accept the consequences on the chin. May even get the Judge to be more lenient.

I'm not sure if you're making a point and distorting terms on purpose but in case you mean it, the definition of arrogance and humility is not that simple and those you described were painted retarded besides for being arrogant/humble.

 

[SomeRandom]

I'm not sure if you're making a point and distorting terms on purpose but in case you mean it, the definition of arrogance and humility is not that simple and those you described were painted retarded besides for being arrogant/humble.

I'm using the vernacular usage. Arrogance is usually accompanied by hubris whereas humility isn't. It was merely making a point, nothing more.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

But in RF, I think the Christians are going to call him arrogant.

are you insinuating a 'Christian' (dk how you define it here) would be better at evaluating a vice or poor behaviour?

 

[Shushersbedamned]

I deny the charge of conflation.
False humility may be a sign of arrogance, and it may be a sign of simple greed by a person who sees his own worth accurately, but wants better than what he deserves.

greed is arrogance.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

Humility on your part would be to acknowledge the premise of this thread as ill-defined and not well thought out.

Once you do that you won't need a definition.

Humility is not something a person can decide on - if they do you can usually easily tell they are taking it. One become humbler as he becomes wiser. And at that you can perhaps help here.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

Is your driving point that the expectation or anticipation of forgiveness, especially in the Christian paradigm, is either at odds with humility or descriptive of humility as a vice?

I'm always afraid if people excuse me some how they might think I'm pretending to be humble and when I start thinking of That I start wondering if the fact that I think I'm humble means maybe that I'm actually arrogant and don't know it. ....i suffer of some amount of social anxiety........

 

[Shushersbedamned]

Because you can't find one?

Humility - Wikipedia

Wow. That's a definition I have never seen before. Maybe I should read a book about it. ..however, Wikipedia is always a poor source to post. It's just of poor taste and should only be done when in a hurry or constipated.

 

[Nakosis]

The scenario made no assumptions about guilt. You can add guilt if you want, but then ArrogantGuy apparently wants punishment.

That's the fun thing about scenarios you create. You can set them up to make whatever point you want.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

That's the fun thing about scenarios you create. You can set them up to make whatever point you want.

The frustrating part is it doesn't really matter what point you wish to make, the reader will have his own wishes and your point shall be forgotten forever. Especially if anyone called a critic comes along. Then your point is slaughtered in obscure ways so that the future generations won't even recognise it.

 

[Nakosis]

Got a definition for humility?

The opposite of superiority. Instead of seeing yourself as being above others you see yourself as below others.

Really depends on context but generally it's shown by acting in service to others vs feeling others should be acting in service to you.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

The opposite of superiority. Instead of seeing yourself as being above others you see yourself as below others.

Really depends on context but generally it's shown by acting in service to others vs feeling others should be acting in service to you.

Is that in some dictionary? Cause it doesn't sound right. Being humble isn't the same as having a low self esteem. And I think that a person who does suffer of particularly low self esteem can't be humble. They are just low esteemed.

 

[Nakosis]

The frustrating part is it doesn't really matter what point you wish to make, the reader will have his own wishes and your point shall be forgotten forever. Especially if anyone called a critic comes along. Then your point is slaughtered in obscure ways so that the future generations won't even recognise it.

Sounds personal.

Yeah, critics are fun.

Do not imagine that if you meet a really humble man he will be what most people call "humble" nowadays: he will not be a sort of greasy, smarmy person, who is always telling you that, of course, he is nobody. Probably all you will think about him is that he seemed a cheerful, intelligent chap who took a real interest in what you said to him. If you do dislike him it will be because you feel a little envious of anyone who seems to enjoy life so easily. He will not be thinking about humility: he will not be thinking about himself at all. - C.S. Lewis

 

[Thief]

how about......as a description of the item in play

humility takes places as you assist in a deed......for the sake of someone not as well off as you are