Lol where's that popcorn smiley when you need it? I'm seeing how long this Hate Circus will last.
Hate circus? Ha! You know who was a hate circus? The goddamned News. First your "Right Wing" was all up in arms that video games were murder simulators causing school shootings. Labeling anyone who liked to play games as a sociopath. Then the "Left Wing" decided to paint them all as sexist ******** after Gamergate, led by the self proclaimed feminists. (Seriously, does everything in America revolve around politics? Over here most people only grudgingly vote because they don't want to pay a fine.) Even Al Jazeera did a rather lopsided report on Brianna Wu and Gamergate. Which was......odd. I mean what the hell would Al Jazeera care? Slow week in the war torn countries they usually report on?
Even unrelated sites like I ****ing Love Science was reporting (one sided) on Gamergate. Not sure what that had to do with Science or Science Journalism but okay.
When Tim Hunt allegedly made a comment (really an off color joke at his own expense) about "sex segregated science labs" it was a veritable witch hunt led by the loudest feminist voices that I have seen in ages. All based on the word by a so called "journalist" in attendance. Milo later called her out on this appalling lack of professionalism and asked why she ignored such basic journalistic ethical standards and what does she do? Hide behind the "oh the big bad sexist people are attacking feminists again" excuse. Despicable. The woman doesn't even apologize for ruining a man's reputation or costing us a valuable ally in Cancer research. Not even remorse was shown. Just "how dare you, a man, go against me. You sexist pigdog."
When an artist who did fan art about Steven Universe on Tumblr had a lynching mob after her, it was led by so called "SJWs" who accused her of being "insensitive" towards Steven Universe. Not sure how you can be insensitive towards a cartoon, but whatever. Even the creator of SU was appalled. There was even talk that the poor kid (barely 16 I think) might have committed suicide. Though thankfully she resurfaced alive.
When Shirtgate happened, the loudest voices calling for his head were self proclaimed feminists. The poor guy was in tears sobbing an apology.
Baha Mustafa led an "open to all except white men" seminar about cultural sensitivity. When people called her out on such hypocritical and segregationist behavior she responded that "racism is power + privilege." Gag me.
She was later alleged to have made highly racially charged comments towards another student (who was a minority at her school) and allegedly bullied said student for a period of months. But she's not a racist.
These are all highly public instances (either IRL or online or both) that have pretty much damaged the reputation of the Feminist and SJW movements. As they say, there's no smoke without fire.
All of them involved people who very vocally and publicly allied with Feminism or SJWs or both. When asked why there was no pressure from the Feminist or SJW movements to call into question such actions or reign them in, the response seemed to be "Feminism is a vast movement filled with a wide variety of opinions. It is not homogeneous, there are just people like that that exist within the movement. What can we do?"
Or some variety of that response. You know what else has a wide variety of opinions, arguably much more varied than all the world's feminist movements combined? Hinduism. And even still, Hindus will go out of their way to condemn another Hindu who has publicly disgraced them. It's almost a point of honor for them.
With the SJW's? It's like they actively deny responsibility for their own actions and instead demand that the other side do the same for trolls who may or may not be attached to said movement (honestly, trolls will latch onto movements for research into a cure for Alzheimers if it means they can rile people up. So, probably not a good idea to think they support any movement whatsoever. Even if they crop up.) Even still, the most vocal of the "other side" do publicly bash sexist or harassing behavior all the freaking time.
You want me to say that "Gamergate" were full of sexist ******** that needed to be booted from the movement? Fine. They were idiotic wastes of space who the movement didn't do a good enough job weeding out. That was their ultimate downfall for which the movement needs to take responsibility for.
Like honestly, mate, throw me a bone here. What exactly do you want? Short of tracking down every ******* who took advantage of the situation to harass or otherwise demean Zoe or Anita in order to set them straight, what can I do that will make you happy? Please, tell me.
But what of these people claiming to be SJWs and/or public Feminists? Should we should not hold feminists or SJWs (or people claiming they are one or the other or both) responsible for their own actions like all grown up are supposed to do anyway?
I'm willing to grant that in all instances there were trolls and therefore the movements are not responsible for them. But in the case of Tim Hunt, there were non anonymous discussions from people who did proclaim to be feminists calling for his resignation. Particularly on I ****ing Love Science. The Journo who started that debacle did publicly debate people like Milo, a right wing journo, on a public broadcast TV show I think in the UK. (You know? Those debate type shows with an audience giving their thoughts on the matter.) And non anonymous people claiming to be Feminists supported her cowardly retorts.
It was sort of similar for Baha Mustafa. At least on YouTube (most prominent members of both sides have been doxxed ages ago, so there's little anonymity.)
Shirtgate you can successfully argue was nothing but trolls. Maybe with any Tumblr instance, though still appalling nonetheless.
I only bring this up to illustrate that the abuse the "other side" is often accused of happens almost exclusively in the realm of anonymity. Therefore it's not unreasonable to assume it's mainly random trolls not affiliated with anyone stirring up trouble as per usual.
Though again, any movement on the "other side" do need to try to reign such appalling behavior in.
With the SJWs and the Feminists, it's more so half half. Some of it happens in anonymity, meaning it's the same. Trolls not affiliated with anyone stoking the fires for the lolz. But some of it is legitimate and public. Course that doesn't necessarily mean they aren't trolling, but it's usually easier to spot who's just trying to cause trouble.
This online stuff is very hard to Police. Because trolls are literally nobodies. You can't go out and find them in order to maintain discipline within whatever movement they are a part of. You can't even definitively prove they are a part of the movement they proclaim to be "defending/serving."The best you can do is say publicly that such behavior is unwarranted. (Again many prolific members of GG or Anti Anitas have done so, numerous times.)
When it's not very anonymous and even more so when it involves "famous" people of the movement doing something publicly, it's very easy to point to the behavior and say specifically that this is caused by a person who is a part of the movement they proclaim to be a part of. I can very easily, for example, state definitively that Laughing Witch or Kevin "Potato" Logan are vocal members of the YouTube SJW community. Whether or not they are well received in that particular branch of SJW community I honestly can't say for certain. Though the loudest condemnation of their despicable behavior does seem to come from their opponents, rather than the YT SJW community themselves. Though to be fair, when Potato publicly mocked Thunderf00t for grieving over his father who died of cancer, there was a bit more dissent in his comments than usual. Even people claiming they hated Thundy seemed disgusted.
Hopefully that explains why the "other side" sees this entire debate as hypocritical and without intellectual merit on the part of their opponents. I probably only half agree with them as far as that all goes, so to speak.
If you,
@MysticSang'ha are being harassed or fear for your safety, report the ******** to the Police, so that they may face accountability and justice (hopefully) for their appalling behavior. If you want to name and shame them, I would be more than happy to publicly rebuke them for doing such disgusting actions on behalf of whatever movement they claim to be a part of. I would even encourage others to do the same wherever and whenever I can.
If you think there is a precedent set that allows for these types of actions to go unpunished by the movements (MRAs, SJWs whoever) then I'd probably agree. Though I would point out that both sides are responsible for setting it. Anita gets let off the hook for everything she does wrong because the focus is on the harassment rather than the merit of her arguments, or lack thereof, by the Feminists. Therefore saying that it's okay to not take responsibility for your actions, provided you can prove you are called demeaning names from alleged sexists. I'd argue that when Milo called out Constance for her behavior, that exact precedent was one she fell back on. Among other instances.
The MRA's/Gamergaters/Anti feminists (still not 100% sure I'm very familiar with the MRA cause) would be responsible for not calling out the GGs/MRAs/AFs who crash feminist rallies/discussions to cause trouble or harass people.
