I am Israel

[Bismillah]

Remember people talking of 2,000 Palestinians whose citzenship was revoked in Jordan?

What do you make of this?

Israel revokes residency of 140,000 Palestinians living in West Bank* - Arab News

and this http://www.haaretz.com/print-editio...nd-get-residency-revoked-upon-return-1.297136

I am Israel, I stand for ethnic cleansing

A report issued by the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) has confirmed that since its occupation in 1967, authorities of the Israeli occupation have confiscated about a third of the territory of East Jerusalem in order to expand settlement construction.

Ray Dolphin, the author of a report entitled "East Jerusalem: the basic human concerns", said that Israeli policies and measures give priority to Israeli settlers in Jerusalem at the expense of the city's indigenous inhabitants, pointing out that the Israeli occupation has confiscated thirty-five per cent of the Palestinian territories in eastern Jerusalem, for the benefit of projects aimed to expand Jewish settlements and to build other new settlements.

The UN official highlighted that during the past 44 years; the Israeli occupation had demolished more than 2,000 Palestinian homes in East Jerusalem and built thousands of new housing units in the region's settlements.

http://www.middleeastmonitor.org.uk...d-35-of-jerusalem-territories-for-settlements

 

[kai]

Remember people talking of 2,000 Palestinians whose citzenship was revoked in Jordan?

What do you make of this?

Israel revokes residency of 140,000 Palestinians living in West Bank* - Arab News

and this Palestinian Jerusalemites go work abroad and get residency revoked upon return - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

I am Israel, I stand for ethnic cleansing



UN report: Israel confiscated 35% of Jerusalem territories for settlements

Yes its bad and to us in a peaceful country it looks absolutely awful but and i am not endorsing it just trying to understand it ,Israel is a country thats been on a war footing since 1948 and has very stringent rules and regulations. We dont know how lucky we are eh, and its the Palestinians who get it in the neck from allsides.

 

[Bismillah]

Yes its bad and to us in a peaceful country it looks absolutely awful but and i am not endorsing it just trying to understand it ,Israel is a country thats been on a war footing since 1948 and has very stringent rules and regulations. We dont know how lucky we are eh, and its the Palestinians who get it in the neck from allsides.

Yeah Israel must be one war-torn dump..are you being facetious right now or is this serious?

Israel doesn't face any realistic military threat for the foreseeable future, America has made sure of that.

We are talking about the W.B. which is administered by Fatah a group committed to nonviolent peace in case you didn't know.

We are talking about ethnic cleansing by the Israelis that has seen the eviction of 140,000 Palestinians by these colonists. We are talking about Israel illegally stealing Arab land from Jerusalem in order to fund greater amounts of colonies. Don't give me this war narrative crap, this **** provokes and prolongs ANY and ALL violence in the region. It is a vicious cycle used by the Israelis to first steal land, provoke a response, and then use it as a pretext to steal more land. They are blatantly exploiting the pitiful status of Palestinians as a means of enlarging their colonist aims.
You QUITE easily condemn the Taliban and Al-Qaeda which are much stronger cases of "war ravaged lands" but to look at Israel and propose this apologetic nonsense is garbage.

I am Israel look at me go.

 

[England my lionheart]

There are wrongs on both sides but given the history of people trying their best to wipe out the Jewish people you can see where Israel is comming from,both Fatahs and Hamas Charters say so although Fatah re worded theirs to make it a little less aggressive.

The misconception about it being Arab land does not help and just highlights that there is little thought for the people of Palestine,hopefully once Egypt has an elected Government in place the Muslim Brotherhood can help sort the mess out they helped to create,i wouldn't hold my breath though.

 

[gnomon]

Where's the "I Am Jordan" video?

 

[Bismillah]

There are wrongs on both sides

Yeah what are the wrongs by Fatah? Or are you going to revert to the same old one sided narrative that you favor and lack of reasoning?

but given the history of people trying their best to wipe out the Jewish people you can see where Israel is comming from,both Fatahs and Hamas Charters say so although Fatah re worded theirs to make it a little less aggressive.

Yeah Fatah WANTS to wipe out Jews. That is an irrational and stupid statement period. It is not ground in fact nor reasoning, it is a knee-jerk apologetic copout to ignore the fact that Israel is committing ethnic cleansing.

And the fact that you call Arab land a "misconception" reveals your Zionist and inhumane attitude, thanks for that. This type of sick mentality is the reason why there always will be violence, Israel doesn't want peace it wants land.

 

[kai]

Yeah Israel must be one war-torn dump..are you being facetious right now or is this serious? no very serious, it been on a war footing nearly all my life and even though its not faced an attack for some time its always geared up for one, and theres the very serious threat of terrorist attack that all adds together to make one very serious and paranoid country.

Israel doesn't face any realistic military threat for the foreseeable future, America has made sure of that. Really? No i am afraid its Israel that has seen to that by defeating its enemies in battle.

We are talking about the W.B. which is administered by Fatah a group committed to nonviolent peace in case you didn't know. Yes a very recent position.

We are talking about ethnic cleansing by the Israelis that has seen the eviction of 140,000 Palestinians by these colonists. We are talking about Israel illegally stealing Arab land from Jerusalem in order to fund greater amounts of colonies. Don't give me this war narrative crap, this **** provokes and prolongs ANY and ALL violence in the region. It is a vicious cycle used by the Israelis to first steal land, provoke a response, and then use it as a pretext to steal more land. They are blatantly exploiting the pitiful status of Palestinians as a means of enlarging their colonist aims.
You QUITE easily condemn the Taliban and Al-Qaeda which are much stronger cases of "war ravaged lands" but to look at Israel and propose this apologetic nonsense is garbage.

I am Israel look at me go.

I am not defending anyone just putting forward the point that any country that has had the militarist environment that that area of the world has, has to surely to recognize the fact that the atmosphere is not going to be the same as a stroll down Piccadilly circus.And its a little naive to try and compare it to a peaceful conflict free zone.

You know in a war truth and freedoms are gradualy eroded, lets hope they find a settlement.

 

[England my lionheart]

Yeah what are the wrongs by Fatah? Or are you going to revert to the same old one sided narrative that you favor and lack of reasoning?

I think when someone makes it clear their intention is to wipe you out and has made several attempts to do so maybe it is a little one sided.

Yeah Fatah WANTS to wipe out Jews. That is an irrational and stupid statement period. It is not ground in fact nor reasoning, it is a knee-jerk apologetic copout to ignore the fact that Israel is committing ethnic cleansing.

Wasn't it Fatahs plan to expel any Jew who arrived after 1917

And the fact that you call Arab land a "misconception" reveals your Zionist and inhumane attitude, thanks for that. This type of sick mentality is the reason why there always will be violence, Israel doesn't want peace it wants land.

A Zionist! next you'll call me a Freemason ,the reason there will be continued violence is the delusional mentality of the Charter and what it actually says,most other countries would not tollerate it at all,the people who represent Palestine don't want peace they want Israel,its not going to happen but that could have been realised many years ago.

 

[Bismillah]

no very serious, it been on a war footing nearly all my life and even though its not faced an attack for some time its always geared up for one, and theres the very serious threat of terrorist attack that all adds together to make one very serious and paranoid country.

Yeah? From WHERE? From the West Bank, you really think that? If so you are delusional mate!

Really? No i am afraid its Israel that has seen to that by defeating its enemies in battle.

Their success in those engagements cemented their existence. America's aid in supplying first generation equipment and policy of not supplying in Arab country with tech that could rival Israel's is more contributory in that role.

Yes a very recent position.

Actually no, there has been "peace processes" ongoing for just about decades now including Oslo. But you have yet to justify exactly WHY Israel is eligible to ethnically cleanse people from their inhabited land.

I am not defending anyone just putting forward the point that any country that has had the militarist environment that that area of the world has, has to surely to recognize the fact that the atmosphere is not going to be the same as a stroll down Piccadilly circus.And its a little naive to try and compare it to a peaceful conflict free zone.

What a duplicitous lie and twisting of modern day politics. There is no threat to Israel, period. There is no threat CERTAINLY from Fatah. What we see has ZERO to do with that as we are focusing on the W.B, try and keep track...

You know in a war truth and freedoms are gradualy eroded, lets hope they find a settlement.

They've found room and taken advantage for many "settlements".

There is zero reason and credibility for this disgusting policy. I am surprised and frankly disappointed.

You expect Muslims to condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization and find political solutions to civil war as BAD thing. You manage to do that.

You look at ethnic cleansing and make excuses and say "well it's in a militaristic atmosphere" these double standards and hypocrisy speak for themselves very much!.

 

[England my lionheart]

Here is another chance to move forward,another reason why they can't,i'm not sure Erdogan can see further than the end of his nose on this one.

Hamas is a political party, not a terrorist group - Ezzedeen Al-Qassam Brigades


Al Qassam website - Hamas is not a terror organization, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in an interview with U.S. television late Wednesday, saying he felt the recently penned Palestinian reconciliation agreement was an essential step toward Mideast peace.
Erdogan's comments came one day after Hamas Gaza strongman Mahmoud Zahar said that while his organization would accept a Palestinian state within 1967 borders, it would never recognize Israel.

The Turkish PM chimed in on the recently achieved unity agreement between rival Palestinian factions Fatah and Hamas, indicating that he did not feel Hamas was an obstacle in achieving Mideast peace.
"Let me give you a very clear message, I don't see Hamas as a terror organization. Hamas is a political party -- it emerged as a political party that appeared as a political party," Erdogan told Charlie Rose, adding: "it is a resistance movement trying to protect its country under occupation."

 

[Bismillah]

Hate to break it to you, unlike self-determinism, states do not have a right to exist.

 

[Bismillah]

And yes you are an adamanat Zionist if you look at blatant ethnic cleansing and remark that there is a "misconception of Arab land" it is people who subscribe to such morally bankrupt and repulsive thinking that provide the fuel for the fire.

 

[England my lionheart]

If ethnic cleansing is occurring i would be absolutely opposed to it,as for being a Zionist,LOL,as for the misconception that its Arab land,which Arabs?

 

[kai]

Yeah? From WHERE? From the West Bank, you really think that? If so you are delusional mate![/color] is this delusional :

Arab

Chronology of terrorist attacks in Israel, introduction

All i am pointing out is context
Their success in those engagements cemented their existence. America's aid in supplying first generation equipment and policy of not supplying in Arab country with tech that could rival Israel's is more contributory in that role. Arab Countries had more or less aligned themselves with the Soviet union,The Arabs had equipment including Migs, even Mirages and having equipment doesnt necessarily make a formidable fighting force . The Soviets even threatened to intervene miltarily in the Yom Kippr war to halt the Israeli counter attack.
Actually no, there has been "peace processes" ongoing for just about decades now including Oslo. But you have yet to justify exactly WHY Israel is eligible to ethnically cleanse people from their inhabited land. I havnt because i dont! read my posts again.

What a duplicitous lie and twisting of modern day politics. There is no threat to Israel, period. There is no threat CERTAINLY from Fatah. What we see has ZERO to do with that as we are focusing on the W.B, try and keep track... I like how you compartmentalize the Palestinians , are you proposing a seperate peace deal from the west bank then?

They've found room and taken advantage for many "settlements".

There is zero reason and credibility for this disgusting policy. I am surprised and frankly disappointed. The difference between us is that i am not surprised , like i said any country involved in that much turmoil is not going to be like mine.

You expect Muslims to condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization and find political solutions to civil war as BAD thing. You manage to do that. On the contrary i expect Muslims to not critisize other Muslims ,well not in the presence of unbeleivers anyway

You look at ethnic cleansing and make excuses and say "well it's in a militaristic atmosphere" these double standards and hypocrisy speak for themselves very much!.

You look at ethnic cleansing and make excuses and say "well it's in a militaristic atmosphere" these double standards and hypocrisy speak for themselves very much!.[/

Leave ot the "well" and you may have just got the situation

 

[kai]

The problem is England anyone who recognises Israels right to exist is open to a charge of " Zionist"

 

[Levite]

The problem is England anyone who recognises Israels right to exist is open to a charge of " Zionist"

Uh-huh. It's always a little interesting that sentiments such as "states don't have rights to exist" somehow never seem to really be applied to any states except for Israel.

It's just one more facet of the whole "when I say your people are bloodthirsty warmongers, there's nothing wrong with that, but when you say my people might also be bloodthirsty warmongers, you're a racist, a colonial oppressor, and part of a worldwide conspiracy to screw everyone" argument.

A classic; and well-aged, by this time, too.

 

[HiddenDjinn]

If ethnic cleansing is occurring i would be absolutely opposed to it,as for being a Zionist,LOL,as for the misconception that its Arab land,which Arabs?

That all depends on what form of ethnic cleansing. If it involves transfer of a hostile population out, what is there to dispute? If it involves "no mailing privileges for 10 years" ethnic cleansing, I doubt anyone can justify it, unless that person happens to call anyone Jewish in Eretz Yisrael "colonist"

 

[HiddenDjinn]

Yes its bad and to us in a peaceful country it looks absolutely awful but and i am not endorsing it just trying to understand it ,Israel is a country thats been on a war footing since 1948 and has very stringent rules and regulations. We dont know how lucky we are eh, and its the Palestinians who get it in the neck from allsides.

Look, as the rightful sovereign to the land, they have the right to tell non-citizens to GTFO. What should be pointed out, sure, 140,000 may have been told to leave. That is a far cry from ALL. Oh, and about those settlements? They take up less than 2% of disputed territory. Roadblocks? The state of Israel has pledged to defend its citizens. If there were no terrorists passing through the area, the roadblocks wouldn't be there in the first place. Roads around Arab towns? How many Jews died driving THROUGH those towns before the roads were built? Protecting Jews? Why not? They aren't doing much, but everything done seems to **** off anyone who wants Jewish death.

 

[England my lionheart]

The problem is England anyone who recognises Israels right to exist is open to a charge of " Zionist"

From my previous post:

Erdogan's comments came one day after Hamas Gaza strongman Mahmoud Zahar said that while his organization would accept a Palestinian state within 1967 borders, it would never recognize Israel.

This speaks volumes,it says Hamas will not commit to peace under any cicumstance,its goal remains the same,the destruction of Israel but the blame will still be put at Israels feet and the Zionist conspiracy,these same people believe in the Protocols of Zion,says it all really.

As for being labelled a Zionist,thats not so bad really and has a certain ring of success to it,there are other labels in the conflict that speak of calamatous failure.

 

[England my lionheart]

That all depends on what form of ethnic cleansing. If it involves transfer of a hostile population out, what is there to dispute? If it involves "no mailing privileges for 10 years" ethnic cleansing, I doubt anyone can justify it, unless that person happens to call anyone Jewish in Eretz Yisrael "colonist"

Well given that there is a lot of exaggerated comments on this subject my understanding of ethnic cleansing is what happened to the Jewish people of Warsaw in WWII,i very much doubt that is whats occuring here.