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I am now a Pantheist
- Thread starter Eddi
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Neither. He's a nature and pastoral deity.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
A great many don't differentiate between the two because "beliefs" often block rational evidence.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "beliefs" blocking rational evidence.
What great many?
Or Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster (an alcoholic drink invented by Zaphod Beeblebrox, whose effects are similar to "having your brains smashed out by a slice of lemon wrapped round a large gold brick.")
make mine a double
siti
Well-Known Member
I think maybe the 'y' at the end was a typo! It can happen after a couple of Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters.
siti
Well-Known Member
I think you mean that rational thinkers find it hard to see any genuine difference between the pan- and panen- beyond the fairly obvious - perhaps trivial - everyday observation that the whole of something is greater than the sum of its parts. Is that about right?
That is to say that it stands to reason that if God is equal to the universe, then God/the universe as a whole is more than a mere conglomeration of the bits of matter/energy then comprise the universe. Its kind of analogous to saying that a human being is more than just a collection of cells - its obviously true...but what is it exactly that is "more"? In that sense, saying "everything is IN God" (panentheism) is really no different from saying "everything IS God" (pantheism).
On the other hand, the idea of panentheism (as a label) seems to appeal more to theists looking for a rational defense of their beliefs because it leaves the door open for God to do stuff outside the ordinary ambit of natural processes...whereas pantheism (as a label) seems to appeal more to naturalists who want to explicitly deny God the opportunity of stepping outside the bounds of nature every now and again.
Yerda
Veteran Member
Sometimes I find it to be quite attractive as an idea. Other times I think it is a bit meaningless.
If it works for you, then great.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
It was one of my books on Hinduism that relates to this, however it's more of a Buddhist approach that I'm citing. If one has a "belief", the question is what is that belief based on? Any objective evidence for it?
Thus, pantheism and panentheism are really impossible to differentiate from in reality since which objective evidence could possibly be used to distinguish between the two?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Please see my post above.
If there was objective evidence for it, what would be the use in calling it a belief?
The same objective evidence one can use to distinguish other religions, I would imagine.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Yes, and that's my point. Thus, a question I think we should always ask ourselves is what are our belief based on?
Yes, and I obviously agree with that.
River Sea
Well-Known Member
@The Hammer
I'm learning this word imply and take a look at this:
What does implied meaning mean?
(ɪmˈplaɪd ) adjective. involved, suggested, or understood without being openly or directly expressed.
"imply": would that be a useful word to use? What does that imply, God of War? because now, looking further, this word implies means understanding without being openly or directly expressed? What would war be without being openly or directly expressed, or what about the word God? Would that mean being understood without being openly or directly expressed?
Because how is Ymir God of war, and what does that imply?
Maybe there's a more useful word instead of imply. What do you think?
What exactly are the Germanic tribes? I looked up the word Ymir and discovered that it means "God of War." What does that imply, God of War? Is it the Kings at war who are associated with the term "God"?
I'm learning this word imply and take a look at this:
What does implied meaning mean?
(ɪmˈplaɪd ) adjective. involved, suggested, or understood without being openly or directly expressed.
"imply": would that be a useful word to use? What does that imply, God of War? because now, looking further, this word implies means understanding without being openly or directly expressed? What would war be without being openly or directly expressed, or what about the word God? Would that mean being understood without being openly or directly expressed?
Because how is Ymir God of war, and what does that imply?
Maybe there's a more useful word instead of imply. What do you think?
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That's not what it means:
"From Proto-Germanic *jumjaz, from Proto-Indo-European *ym̥H-yo-[1], from *yemH-, having an original sense of “twin”[1][2]. Related to Latin Remus (“founder of Rome, slain by his twin”) and Sanskrit यम (yáma, “twin; first man to die”).
Possibly derived from a word for “twin”, this name has been folk-etymologically connected to Old Norse ymja (“to groan, whine, wail, scream, make noise”) (cf. the homonym ymir (“hawk”, literally “groaner, screamer”)), as other names of jötnar are associated with sound-making.[3]"
Ymir - Wiktionary, the free dictionary
The Norse, Angles, Saxons, Frisians, Juts, Franks, Normans for instance (although these groups may be separated by space or time).
List of early Germanic peoples - Wikipedia
endlessvoid2018
*Banned*
How do you feel about Panendeism, just out of curiousity?
I believe in a Holy Spirit so I'm not one of those!
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Ditto, and some people know what I went through for 2 & 1/2 years that convinced me that there is such an Entity.
There is definitely a Holy Spirit
I believe it is way more active than anyone appreciates