I am the living bread

[WonderingWorrier]

What do you mean that there is no War? Saying that the Sky or Rain does not exist, does not make it true.

War is misunderstanding.

The logic is simple. Like I've been saying and showing examples of, the language is symbolic. The words are symbols which have specific positions.

There are layers of symbols in their speech but it is the weaving of the symbols which is what confirms the existence of overlapping symbols in a common position.

Thats why I say Group1, Group2, Group3. Because they are woven into each other according to a shared position. So I refer to them as a group.


When people dont understand the war symbols then they might hear war in the Bible.
But there is no war, as the war symbols are connected to all the other symbols that have nothing to do with war.

If people hear war, they cant hear the words of the prophets.
In vain have I smitten your children; they received no correction: your own sword hath devoured your prophets, like a destroying lion. Jeremiah.

 

[WonderingWorrier]

What do you mean that there is no War?

In post 44 I talked about iron and how earthly gold and silver is just iron.

It is in the same way that an earthly bow is just iron.

So people hear a bow of iron, but the prophets are talking about a bow of gold.

He teacheth my hands to war, so that a bow of steel is broken by mine arms. Psalm.

South - North - West - East
Iron - Brass - Silver - Gold
Earth - Spear - Sword - Bow

 

[Elihoenai]

I am unable to understand your clues.
I did have a look at the names you mentioned before I asked you for clarification.
Do I have to research each of their lives and list similarities which I would then have to guess which similarity is the connection between them that you are talking about?
I might choose a wrong connection and misunderstand you.

You do what Elohim/God impresses you to do. The Voice that you heard was evidently Elohim's/God's instrument the Devil/Satan speaking.

Marquis de Sade, Sabbatean-Frankist and Aleister Crowley are exactly the Same.

 

[Elihoenai]

War is misunderstanding.

The logic is simple. Like I've been saying and showing examples of, the language is symbolic. The words are symbols which have specific positions.

There are layers of symbols in their speech but it is the weaving of the symbols which is what confirms the existence of overlapping symbols in a common position.

Thats why I say Group1, Group2, Group3. Because they are woven into each other according to a shared position. So I refer to them as a group.


When people dont understand the war symbols then they might hear war in the Bible.
But there is no war, as the war symbols are connected to all the other symbols that have nothing to do with war.

If people hear war, they cant hear the words of the prophets.
In vain have I smitten your children; they received no correction: your own sword hath devoured your prophets, like a destroying lion. Jeremiah.

Exodus 15:3

3 The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name.


@WonderingWorrier Are you stating that War does not exist? Do you know that the Devil/Satan is at War with Elohim/God? Have you considered that you are not experiencing War because you are Worshipping and Appeasing the Devil/Satan?


Happy to say that I'm on the Receiving end of 24/7 Satanic Ritual Abuse. I live in a Marquis de Sade Stronghold area where they have been trying to get me to do Evil for many years in an ongoing Universal Roman Catholic Church Inquisition.

 

[Elihoenai]

In post 44 I talked about iron and how earthly gold and silver is just iron.

It is in the same way that an earthly bow is just iron.

So people hear a bow of iron, but the prophets are talking about a bow of gold.

He teacheth my hands to war, so that a bow of steel is broken by mine arms. Psalm.

South - North - West - East
Iron - Brass - Silver - Gold
Earth - Spear - Sword - Bow

Have you considered carefully whether or not you are a Satan/Devil Worshipper?

Those that Worship Elohim/God or strive to Worship Elohim/God experience War with Totally Devoted Devil/Satan Worshippers/Soldiers.

 

[WonderingWorrier]

Have you considered that you are not experiencing War because you are Worshipping and Appeasing the Devil/Satan?

What is there to consider?
How does Satan benefit from having bible instructions of violence disappear from my mind as all instructions become one set of twelve instructions/positions.

I have considered it is wrong to talk about it, because all over the world children are listening to certain myths and fairytales and destroying the mystery could be a bad thing. The purpose of the mystery is unknown to me and it might be an individual thing to experience that should not be taught to others.

You do what Elohim/God impresses you to do. The Voice that you heard was evidently Elohim's/God's instrument the Devil/Satan speaking.

Marquis de Sade, Sabbatean-Frankist and Aleister Crowley are exactly the Same.

Evidently you have not explained the connection between them. Your words are still hollow to me and have no substance for me to consider.

Are you now saying that I am exactly the same as them?

Explain yourself.

Have you considered carefully whether or not you are a Satan/Devil Worshipper?

Those that Worship Elohim/God or strive to Worship Elohim/God experience War with Totally Devoted Devil/Satan Worshippers/Soldiers.

I could be doing a really wrong thing.

But Im doing what I feel is right.

The bible is causing confusion and harm to others.

 

[WonderingWorrier]

@WonderingWorrier Are you stating that War does not exist?

Yes. That is exactly what i am stating. There is no war.

And the logic of my statements are pieces of a twelve gate city.


Thus saith the Lord; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the Lord of hosts the holy mountain.


Statements I have said will only go through certain gates in the city.

These specific 12 gates:

31 And the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel: three gates northward; one gate of Reuben, one gate of Judah, one gate of Levi.

32 And at the east side four thousand and five hundred: and three gates; and one gate of Joseph, one gate of Benjamin, one gate of Dan.

33 And at the south side four thousand and five hundred measures: and three gates; one gate of Simeon, one gate of Issachar, one gate of Zebulun.

34 At the west side four thousand and five hundred, with their three gates; one gate of Gad, one gate of Asher, one gate of Naphtali.


35 It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The Lord is there.


Just like what I showed earlier with the wolf being with the lamb in two easterly gates of this city.
Just like I showed the lion with the Ox in two northern gates.

Words of war are symbols of war, Each war symbol has its place along with other symbols in corresponding gates.

North - West - East
Bread - Oil - Wine
Spear - Sword - Bow

To speak of bread and wine, is the same thing as speaking of spear and bow.

Some may hear war:

And Asa had an army of men that bare targets and spears, out of Judah three hundred thousand; and out of Benjamin, that bare shields and drew bows, two hundred and fourscore thousand: all these were mighty men of valour. Chronicles.


Judah is a northern gate. It is one of the gates of Spear.
Benjamin is an eastern gate. It is one of the gates of Bow.

So I know what Chronicles said is true. But there is no war mentioned.

 

[Elihoenai]

What is there to consider?
How does Satan benefit from having bible instructions of violence disappear from my mind as all instructions become one set of twelve instructions/positions.

I have considered it is wrong to talk about it, because all over the world children are listening to certain myths and fairytales and destroying the mystery could be a bad thing. The purpose of the mystery is unknown to me and it might be an individual thing to experience that should not be taught to others.

You don't Believe in Faith, don't know what Salvation is and Believe that the Holy Scriptures/Bible can be understood purely with Logic. The Devil/Satan benefits through the Dissemination of False Doctrine. The Teaching and Practice of False Doctrine ensures that people Will Perish and Not be Saved. The Satan/Devil is Totally Devoted 24/7 to ensure people Perish and Not be Saved.

Evidently you have not explained the connection between them. Your words are still hollow to me and have no substance for me to consider.

Are you now saying that I am exactly the same as them?

Explain yourself.

You are demonstrating the Inability to think as a Real Christian.

I could be doing a really wrong thing.

But Im doing what I feel is right.

The bible is causing confusion and harm to others.

The 2.2 Billion other Christians in Christendom believe what they are doing is Right.


Any Confusion and Harm is Ordained by Elohim/God, as Elohim/God Punishes Men for their Evil Rebellion against him.


I Am Ultra Extremist Non-Violent Christian.


Some prefer Nazi-KKK Christians:

This is the fruitage of the Catholic church - Jordan Maxwell

 

[Elihoenai]

Yes. That is exactly what i am stating. There is no war.

And the logic of my statements are pieces of a twelve gate city.


Thus saith the Lord; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the Lord of hosts the holy mountain.


Statements I have said will only go through certain gates in the city.

These specific 12 gates:

31 And the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel: three gates northward; one gate of Reuben, one gate of Judah, one gate of Levi.

32 And at the east side four thousand and five hundred: and three gates; and one gate of Joseph, one gate of Benjamin, one gate of Dan.

33 And at the south side four thousand and five hundred measures: and three gates; one gate of Simeon, one gate of Issachar, one gate of Zebulun.

34 At the west side four thousand and five hundred, with their three gates; one gate of Gad, one gate of Asher, one gate of Naphtali.


35 It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The Lord is there.


Just like what I showed earlier with the wolf being with the lamb in two easterly gates of this city.
Just like I showed the lion with the Ox in two northern gates.

Words of war are symbols of war, Each war symbol has its place along with other symbols in corresponding gates.

North - West - East
Bread - Oil - Wine
Spear - Sword - Bow

To speak of bread and wine, is the same thing as speaking of spear and bow.

Some may hear war:

And Asa had an army of men that bare targets and spears, out of Judah three hundred thousand; and out of Benjamin, that bare shields and drew bows, two hundred and fourscore thousand: all these were mighty men of valour. Chronicles.


Judah is a northern gate. It is one of the gates of Spear.
Benjamin is an eastern gate. It is one of the gates of Bow.

So I know what Chronicles said is true. But there is no war mentioned.

Exodus 15:3

3 The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name.

Ecclesiastes 3:8

8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.



@WonderingWorrier I don't believe you are that Ignorant.

You are at War Against Elohim/God and Yourself on Behalf of the Devil/Satan with your False Doctrines.

Are you saying that you Reject every teaching about War in the Holy Scriptures/Bible?

 

[WonderingWorrier]

You don't Believe in Faith, don't know what Salvation is and Believe that the Holy Scriptures/Bible can be understood purely with Logic. The Devil/Satan benefits through the Dissemination of False Doctrine. The Teaching and Practice of False Doctrine ensures that people Will Perish and Not be Saved. The Satan/Devil is Totally Devoted 24/7 to ensure people Perish and Not be Saved.

Faith can not know what is true and what is false doctrine, as faith is belief without knowledge.
And when people try to make sense of their faith it causes divisions.

I am not a man of faith.
I know the words of Baha'u'llah of the Bahai religion do not enter the gates of Jerusalem.
He doesnt know how to weave his symbols into the city of truth.

Which is a logical method for determining if a prophet is accurate or not.

You are demonstrating the Inability to think as a Real Christian.

When someone talks around an answer then the answer is hollow. When the initial statement is vague and the answers are talked around then it could be considered as saying nothing comprehensible and just open to interpretation. Its like saying nothing at all.

The 2.2 Billion other Christians in Christendom believe what they are doing is Right.


Any Confusion and Harm is Ordained by Elohim/God, as Elohim/God Punishes Men for their Evil Rebellion against him.

So why cant all Christians agree on what is right? Is it because they have faith?

Why speak words that make people punish themselves and harm others because they do not understand the words correctly?

I Am Ultra Extremist Non-Violent Christian.


Some prefer Nazi-KKK Christians:

I heard you say that before.

 

[WonderingWorrier]

Are you saying that you Reject every teaching about War in the Holy Scriptures/Bible?

No. I accept them.

Earlier I showed the gate of Reuben as Cattle and the gate of Judah as lion.
As in the city Reuben and Judah are both northern gates. The lion and the Ox are together in the North.


Now I have shown you Judah (the lion) has the spear,

Reuben also has the spear. As cattle have spears:

Rebuke the company of spearmen, the multitude of the bulls, with the calves of the people, till every one submit himself with pieces of silver: scatter thou the people that delight in war. Psalm.

North - West - East
Spear - Sword - Bow
Cattle - Goat - Sheep
Lion - Leopard - Wolf
Bear - Deer - Horse

There are three gates of spear, three gates of sword, and three gates of bow.

 

[Elihoenai]

Faith can not know what is true and what is false doctrine, as faith is belief without knowledge.
And when people try to make sense of their faith it causes divisions.

I am not a man of faith.
I know the words of Baha'u'llah of the Bahai religion do not enter the gates of Jerusalem.
He doesnt know how to weave his symbols into the city of truth.

Which is a logical method for determining if a prophet is accurate or not.

Are you admitting that you are Not a Christian? Do you Practice the Bahai Religion?


Baháʼí Faith

"...Baháʼís assert that their religion is a distinct tradition with its own scriptures and laws, and not a sect of another religion.[28] The religion was initially seen as a sect of Islam because of its origins. Most religious specialists now see it as an independent religion, with its religious background in Shiʻa Islam being seen as analogous to the Jewish context in which Christianity was established.[29] Baháʼís describe their faith as an independent world religion, differing from the other traditions in its relative age and in the appropriateness of Baháʼu'lláh's teachings to the modern context.[30][better source needed] Baháʼu'lláh is believed to have fulfilled the messianic expectations of these precursor faiths...."

Baháʼí Faith - Wikipedia

When someone talks around an answer then the answer is hollow. When the initial statement is vague and the answers are talked around then it could be considered as saying nothing comprehensible and just open to interpretation. Its like saying nothing at all.

It's Vague to you because you Cannot See Clearly. It's Open to Interpretation. The Words are Hollow to you because you are Hollow given Without Faith, Without Salvation and Dependence on Pure Logic.

You are Hollow to me and I'm Hollow to you making us Inverted from the Perspective of the other.

So why cant all Christians agree on what is right? Is it because they have faith?

Why speak words that make people punish themselves and harm others because they do not understand the words correctly?

Isaiah 13:11

11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.


Christians Cannot Agree because of the Inheritance of Adam's Rebellion Against Elohim/God.

Evildoers get their Just Deserts Punishment from Elohim/God! In the World when you drive through a Red Light you get Punished with a Fine and for Murder you get the Death Penalty Punishment in some States in the United States. Just Deserts Punishment from Elohim/God!

 

[WonderingWorrier]

Are you admitting that you are Not a Christian? Do you Practice the Bahai Religion?

What I heard in the OT was also heard in the NT. I accept the words of the bible as truth.
It was logical to then listen outside the bible.

A man said some people think that they can say similar words.

"When Our Signs are rehearsed to them, they say: "We have heard this before: if we wished, we could say words like these: these are nothing but tales of the ancients."

He knows the difference.

"There is, in their stories, instruction for men endued with understanding. It is not a tale invented, but a confirmation of what went before it,- a detailed exposition of all things, and a guide and a mercy to any such as believe".


And I accept his words. To hell like cattle.
"And We shall drive the sinners to Hell, like thirsty cattle driven down to water".

Saying like cattle is specific.

Group1 - Group2 - Group3
Brass - Silver - Gold
Cattle - Goat - Sheep

Prophets are very specific in what they say.

I only reject the words of Baha'u'llah because he doesnt speak like what I hear in the bible prophets. He uses religious wording from the bible in his speech but he doesnt know about symbol positions and that can be seen in his speech. He doesnt know where to put his words.

There are word weavers speaking a specific twelve position sign language and there are imitators that clearly dont know how to weave their words into the whole. Prophets can be sorted by logic.

 

[WonderingWorrier]

It's Vague to you because you Cannot See Clearly. It's Open to Interpretation. The Words are Hollow to you because you are Hollow given Without Faith, Without Salvation and Dependence on Pure Logic.

You are Hollow to me and I'm Hollow to you making us Inverted from the Perspective of the other.

Are you saying I just have to accept your statement about there being two liberties that few obtain without getting an explanation of what they are?

Christians Cannot Agree because of the Inheritance of Adam's Rebellion Against Elohim/God.

Are you talking about the part where Adam did not listen to God?
Or Adam eating the golden apple?

Group1 - Group2 - Group3
Brass - Silver - Gold
Pomegranate - Fig - Apple

Evildoers get their Just Deserts Punishment from Elohim/God! In the World when you drive through a Red Light you get Punished with a Fine and for Murder you get the Death Penalty Punishment in some States in the United States. Just Deserts Punishment from Elohim/God!

Why should they be punished. Is it because you think they are wrong?

One mans right is another mans wrong so who is to judge?

Like two armies on a battlefield will both see the others as evil, while they see themselves as good.

You might think that you are good.
So will Nazi KKK Christians.

Hitler probably didnt think that he was doing evil.

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
One was simply to quote from Jesus as requested by me, please.
Else, it is you who have challenged Jesus, when he never claimed as such, please, right?
Regards
_____________
I am not opposing one, I am just helping one , please. Right?

Matthew 5:17
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Luke 24:44
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ Practises and Teaches the Holy Scriptures/Bible from Genesis to Revelation is a Unified Whole.
@paarsurrey For you to suggests otherwise, is Embarrassing, Insulting and Blasphemous. Obviously you Cannot Really Unify the Old Testament/Hebrew Scriptures and New Testament/Greek Scriptures like the other 2.2 Billion Earthly Christians in Christendom. That's because it Cannot Really be Unified with Exoteric Knowledge: I am the living bread

Didn't one simply failed a Second Time to quote even a single verse from Jesus in first person, in an unequivocal, unambiguous and straightforward manner that "Hebrew Scriptures/Holy Scriptures from Genesis to Revelation is a Unified Whole.(#99) ", please? Right?

And also isn't one's claim that the Israelite Scripture (Tanakh) and Hellenist Pauline Christianity scripture (that have nothing to do with Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah) aka Gospels both are a "unified whole", a joke from one, it transpires, please? Right?

Also kindly remember that (Jesus) Yeshua - the Israelite Messiah never died on the Cross, as I understand, please. Right?

Regards

 

[Elihoenai]

What I heard in the OT was also heard in the NT. I accept the words of the bible as truth.
It was logical to then listen outside the bible.

A man said some people think that they can say similar words.

"When Our Signs are rehearsed to them, they say: "We have heard this before: if we wished, we could say words like these: these are nothing but tales of the ancients."

He knows the difference.

"There is, in their stories, instruction for men endued with understanding. It is not a tale invented, but a confirmation of what went before it,- a detailed exposition of all things, and a guide and a mercy to any such as believe".


And I accept his words. To hell like cattle.
"And We shall drive the sinners to Hell, like thirsty cattle driven down to water".

Saying like cattle is specific.

Group1 - Group2 - Group3
Brass - Silver - Gold
Cattle - Goat - Sheep

Prophets are very specific in what they say.

I only reject the words of Baha'u'llah because he doesnt speak like what I hear in the bible prophets. He uses religious wording from the bible in his speech but he doesnt know about symbol positions and that can be seen in his speech. He doesnt know where to put his words.

There are word weavers speaking a specific twelve position sign language and there are imitators that clearly dont know how to weave their words into the whole. Prophets can be sorted by logic.

You cannot Really accept the Words of the Holy Scriptures/Bible as Truth because you don't believe in Faith, are Not Saved and don't know what Salvation is.


You Really accepts the Words of the Holy Scriptures/bible as Truth when you Hear the Truth and Practice that Truth. You are not Hearing and Practising the Truth of Faith and Salvation given your Reliance on Logic. The Falseness that you are in is Ordained by Elohim/God.


At present Elohim/God has Ordained that you Perish and Not be Saved while using you as a Vessel to get Others to think more deeply about the Holy Scriptures/Bible.

 

[Elihoenai]

Are you saying I just have to accept your statement about there being two liberties that few obtain without getting an explanation of what they are?

No! As I said before some research might help. If you were striving to be Genuine Christian you would have found out what the Two Liberties are. You are not alone in this regards, as there are Few Striving to be Genuine Christians from a Spiritual Perspective.

Are you talking about the part where Adam did not listen to God?
Or Adam eating the golden apple?

Group1 - Group2 - Group3
Brass - Silver - Gold
Pomegranate - Fig - Apple

Yes, Adam and Eve's Rebellion Against Elohim/God.

Why should they be punished. Is it because you think they are wrong?

One mans right is another mans wrong so who is to judge?

Like two armies on a battlefield will both see the others as evil, while they see themselves as good.

You might think that you are good.
So will Nazi KKK Christians.

Hitler probably didnt think that he was doing evil.

@WonderingWorrier Are you saying that you don't think people that drive through a Red Light or that Commit Murder should be Punished? Are you saying that there is no Absolute Standard of Right and Wrong.


Everything that Happens is Ordained by Elohim/God and is the Will of Elohim/God. Therefore, when there are two parties in a War that are Evildoers, Elohim/God has Ordained the party that will be Victorious.


The 2.2 Billion of Christians in Christendom do Not Really know what Elohim's/God's Highly Exalted Incomparable Standard of Good is. Elohim/God has shown me that Highly Exalted Incomparable Standard of Good, although I Am Far from attaining that Standard.

 

[Elihoenai]

paarsurrey said: ↑
One was simply to quote from Jesus as requested by me, please.
Else, it is you who have challenged Jesus, when he never claimed as such, please, right?
Regards
_____________
I am not opposing one, I am just helping one , please. Right?

You can oppose also if you want. Those that post on a public forum should be Challenged about the statements they make?

Didn't one simply failed a Second Time to quote even a single verse from Jesus in first person, in an unequivocal, unambiguous and straightforward manner that "Hebrew Scriptures/Holy Scriptures from Genesis to Revelation is a Unified Whole.(#99) ", please? Right?

And also isn't one's claim that the Israelite Scripture (Tanakh) and Hellenist Pauline Christianity scripture (that have nothing to do with Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah) aka Gospels both are a "unified whole", a joke from one, it transpires, please? Right?

Also kindly remember that (Jesus) Yeshua - the Israelite Messiah never died on the Cross, as I understand, please. Right?

Regards

@paarsurrey Are you saying that you Accept only the Hebrew Scriptures/Old Testament and Reject the Greek Scriptures/New Testament? If yes, why do you hold that position? What is your Religion?

 

[WonderingWorrier]

@WonderingWorrier Are you saying that you don't think people that drive through a Red Light or that Commit Murder should be Punished? Are you saying that there is no Absolute Standard of Right and Wrong.

Think about your examples.

Are there people who can drive through red traffic lights without being punished?
As in ambulances, fire department, and police. Why?

Are there people who can commit murder without being punished?
As in army. Why?

What is the difference? How is the line between right and wrong decided?

Everything that Happens is Ordained by Elohim/God and is the Will of Elohim/God. Therefore, when there are two parties in a War that are Evildoers, Elohim/God has Ordained the party that will be Victorious.

Is that how faith determines who is right? Fight it out and see who is left.

The 2.2 Billion of Christians in Christendom do Not Really know what Elohim's/God's Highly Exalted Incomparable Standard of Good is. Elohim/God has shown me that Highly Exalted Incomparable Standard of Good, although I Am Far from attaining that Standard.

Equality would be an incomparable standard of good.

 

[WonderingWorrier]

You cannot Really accept the Words of the Holy Scriptures/Bible as Truth because you don't believe in Faith, are Not Saved and don't know what Salvation is.


You Really accepts the Words of the Holy Scriptures/bible as Truth when you Hear the Truth and Practice that Truth. You are not Hearing and Practising the Truth of Faith and Salvation given your Reliance on Logic.

Faith is blind to the words. Wandering in darkness. Not knowing.
Jesus spoke of the blind guides. The blind leading the blind off the path and falling into the ditch.


What did the blind man say after Jesus healed him. He said: I see men as trees walking.


Faith cant see men as trees walking.


Can you hear the trees clapping their hands?

For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands. Isaiah


Listen to the speech of the trees in the bible. Every tree speaks of a specific place.

I will plant in the wilderness the cedar, the ****tah tree, and the myrtle, and the oil tree; I will set in the desert the fir tree, and the pine, and the box tree together: Isaiah.

Group1 - Group2 - Group3
Desert - Wilderness - Mountain
Bread - Oil - Wine
Corn - Olive - Grape

It is true. The oil tree was planted in the wilderness.