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TrueBeliever37

Well-Known Member
Sleeppy said:
Do you test the spirits?
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I try to test the spirits in the way the word of God says to. I give them what the apostles taught, and if they won't hear them, then I know they aren't of God.
John said, he that is of God heareth us, and he that is not of God, heareth us not. 1 John 4:6
 
Sleeppy

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
TrueBeliever37 said:
I try to test the spirits in the way the word of God says to. I give them what the apostles taught, and if they won't hear them, then I know they aren't of God.
John said, he that is of God heareth us, and he that is not of God, heareth us not. 1 John 4:6
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1) You are mistaken in what spirits are; they are not people, nor can you speak to them.

2) You deny that God created all things. You likewise deny that He is God; everything belongs to Him.

3) You accept spirits of error; false prophecies from 1 John:

You heard that it was said: You should love your neighbor, and should hate your enemy; but I -- I say to you, Love your enemies, bless those cursing you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those accusing you falsely, and persecuting you, that you may be sons of your Father in the heavens, because His sun He doth cause to rise on evil and good, and He doth send rain on righteous and unrighteous. For, if you may love those loving you, what reward have you? Do not also the tax-gatherers the same? And if you may salute your brethren only, what do you profit? Do not also the tax-gatherers so? You shall therefore be perfect, as your Father who in the heavens is perfect.


You are of a spirit of self-righteousness, being led astray. The Father is not only Father to them that hear, but also to them who have not formed ears. You were commanded to love not only your brothers that hear, but them who do not.

You go back to the Gospels and learn that many times, the Twelve did not hear him, misunderstanding. Test the spirits, so that their misunderstanding is not yours.
 
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TrueBeliever37

Well-Known Member
Sleeppy said:
1) You are mistaken in what spirits are; they are not people, nor can you speak to them.

2) You deny that God created all things. You likewise deny that He is God; everything belongs to Him.

3) You accept spirits of error; false prophecies from 1 John:

You heard that it was said: You should love your neighbor, and should hate your enemy; but I -- I say to you, Love your enemies, bless those cursing you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those accusing you falsely, and persecuting you, that you may be sons of your Father in the heavens, because His sun He doth cause to rise on evil and good, and He doth send rain on righteous and unrighteous. For, if you may love those loving you, what reward have you? Do not also the tax-gatherers the same? And if you may salute your brethren only, what do you profit? Do not also the tax-gatherers so? You shall therefore be perfect, as your Father who in the heavens is perfect.


You are of a spirit of self-righteousness, being led astray. The Father is not only Father to them that hear, but also to them who have not formed ears. You were commanded to love not only your brothers that hear, but them who do not.

You go back to the Gospels and learn that many times, the Twelve did not hear him, misunderstanding. Test the spirits, so that their misunderstanding is not yours.
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Sleeppy, I think you need to wake up and read my posts again. You are accusing me of a lot of false things.
 
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TrueBeliever37

Well-Known Member
Sleepy,

2 )You deny that God created all things. You likewise deny that He is God; everything belongs to Him. ( This was number 2 in post #63 that you accused me of.)

Anyone honest reading your reply (post #67) will be able to tell that you gave no proof -

that I deny that God created all things,
or that he is God,
or that everything belongs to Him.

Unless you can be honest, I don't even want to discuss this with you any further.
 
Sleeppy

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
TrueBeliever37 said:
Sleepy,

2 )You deny that God created all things. You likewise deny that He is God; everything belongs to Him. ( This was number 2 in post #63 that you accused me of.)

Anyone honest reading your reply (post #67) will be able to tell that you gave no proof -

that I deny that God created all things,
or that he is God,
or that everything belongs to Him.

Unless you can be honest, I don't even want to discuss this with you any further.
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You don't want to discuss, because you're looking for everything but honesty.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Kelvin.Max said:
That Jesus is God in the flesh is key and central to our Christian belief, which makes Christianity different to other Abrahamic religions.

According to Christians, the centrality of Christ goes without saying; which is why they believe Jesus is far more important than any other central figure in Islam and Judaism.

Given that this is a key tenet in Christianity, why do some Christians deny the critical role of Jesus as the Son of God who will be God's lawful and supreme judge on the day of Final Reckoning?
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Yes, the Incarnation is a central and key element in orthodox Christian theology, but I believe that God’s love and grace are far more critical than God’s judgment. Heck, even the Pope says that unbelievers may not go to hell (And the RCC is one of the curators of orthodox theology).
 
12jtartar

12jtartar

Active Member
Premium Member
Kelvin.Max said:
That Jesus is God in the flesh is key and central to our Christian belief, which makes Christianity different to other Abrahamic religions.

According to Christians, the centrality of Christ goes without saying; which is why they believe Jesus is far more important than any other central figure in Islam and Judaism.

Given that this is a key tenet in Christianity, why do some Christians deny the critical role of Jesus as the Son of God who will be God's lawful and supreme judge on the day of Final Reckoning?

Is it for fear that some Christians will deny the key article of faith that Jesus will have power and authority to send God's enemies and sinful people to eternal destruction on the day of judgement? (Revelation 20:15).

You may not like or approve of what I've said, but what are you going to do about it?

Or perhaps you should abandon Christianity for some other religion -- because no Christian can ever deny the key and critical role of Jesus as gate keeper to God's kingdom? (John 5:22-23, 5:27-30, 10:9, 14:6; Revelation 20:11-15).
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Kelvin.Max,
Some of your statements seem ambiguous to me, as stated.
When you said that Jesus is God in the flesh, exactly what did you mean?? Do you believe that Jesus is the same as The Almighty God, whose Personal, Proper Name is Jehovah???
The Bible says that Jesus is a Mighty god, El Gabbohr, but Jesus is not the Almighty God, El Shaddai, Isaiah 9:6,7!!!
Consider what is written at 1Corinthians 8:4-6, Ephesians 4:3-6.
Notice how several Bible Books start, by saying that The Almighty is bothe the God and Father of Jesus, Romans 1:1-4, 2Corinthians 1:3, Ephesians 1:3, Colossians 1:3. Also consider John 20:17, 14:28, John 6:57, Colossians 1:15, Revelation 3:12,14. Agape!!!
 
Miracle

Miracle

Christian
Kelvin.Max said:
why do some Christians deny the critical role of Jesus as the Son of God who will be God's lawful and supreme judge on the day of Final Reckoning?
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I think the issue isn't Jesus Christ being a judge, the issue is Jesus Christ being God. So when we talk about "Jesus [being] God's lawful and supreme judge", just saying God already encompasses Jesus as a judge. After all, Jesus did tell us, "I and my Father are one" (John 10:30).

If Christians deny Jesus Christ/God/the Holy Ghost as the judge of all souls at the end of life on earth, then the question is are they really Christians?

Kelvin.Max said:
God's enemies
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Just want to establish that God and Jesus Christ are one in the same. They are different personalities of one God, however, He is God.
 
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