"I am the way"

[ManSinha]

Scan the entire Bible and you will not find one Word denying that both Buddha and Krishna were the Way also.

That is cleverly positioned BS - the writers of the Bible were not aware of the Buddha or Krishna for that matter

Just as those that wrote the Qu'ran down were only aware of the Jews and Christians but not others

 

[Audie]

What do you think of people who lived in places where these tales have never been heard? So, either people who lived before Jesus, or people who lived after Jesus but they have never been reached by any missionary.

How will they be judged?

Ciao

- viole

And then there are those among us who
like me just do not believe any of it, and
cannot pretend to.

 

[Audie]

That is cleverly positioned BS

Clever and not so clever BS pretty much describes
any religion and its apologestics, doesnt it?

 

[Nakosis]

according to Mat 7:14there is only one path to salvation.

Jesus claimed that he was that path.(John 14:6)
Jesus is the way in that only through him can we enter into an approved relationship with God.

Why ? Because sin creates a barrier between humans and God, for God is holy and therefore can never approve of sin. (Isaiah 6:3; 59:2) The sacrifice of Jesus removed that barrier; it provided the necessary covering, (atonement), for sin. (Hebrews 10:12; 1 John 1:7)

Additionally Jesus is the way when it comes to prayer.
Only through Jesus can we go to God in prayer with the assurance that our heartfelt petitions will be favorably heard (1 John 5:13, 14).
Since there are many God's it should be understood that Jesus was specifically talking about his father JHVH (in english Jehovah), not just any God.

Jesus claimed that he was the truth.
when he said I am the truth, he was not simply referring to the fact that he made truth known in his speaking, preaching, and teaching. but showed it by fulfilling prophecies and his actions.

Jesus also claimed that he was the life.
It is only through him that we can receive life that is -the real life- (1 Timothy 6:19) The Bible says: He that exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life; he that disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him. (John 3:36) .

For the majority these requirements seem either too simple or too demanding, Preferring to go through complicated rituals, philosophical calisthenics or to believe in astronomical improbabilities.

what do you think ?

"I am the way"

What does that mean? Does it mean belief is Jesus as Messiah or does it mean to follow Jesus' example. That of renouncing worldly goods, property, ownership and becoming a religious hermit?

Matthew 6:26 New International Version (NIV)
26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?

 

[Baladas]

With respect, I think that it has, in most cases, been a dogma meant to claim the preeminence of one religion over all others.

 

[Audie]

With respect, I think that it has, in most cases, been a dogma meant to claim the preeminence of one religion over all others.

ya think?

 

[ManSinha]

When Jesus is speaking in such terms, calling himself the way, the only way, etc., etc., he is not speaking in his own name or as an individual but as what Henry Corbin calls "the Eternal Imām." He is attesting to an eternal spiritual reality which is manifest in all the prophets of God. Thus the Qur'an says, "We make no distinction between any of His messengers"

That is someone's interpretation - that is the problem with stuff like this - tell it to 10 people and you get 15 different interpretations - no dice

As for what the Qu'ran says - did not Muhammad say he was the last and final messenger? So Moses, Abraham and Jesus preceding him are okay and .........

 

[Baladas]

ya think?

It was kind of a "captain obvious" moment, wasn't it?
But the OP did ask what we all think of it.

 

[Faithofchristian]

according to Mat 7:14there is only one path to salvation.

Jesus claimed that he was that path.(John 14:6)
Jesus is the way in that only through him can we enter into an approved relationship with God.

Why ? Because sin creates a barrier between humans and God, for God is holy and therefore can never approve of sin. (Isaiah 6:3; 59:2) The sacrifice of Jesus removed that barrier; it provided the necessary covering, (atonement), for sin. (Hebrews 10:12; 1 John 1:7)

Additionally Jesus is the way when it comes to prayer.
Only through Jesus can we go to God in prayer with the assurance that our heartfelt petitions will be favorably heard (1 John 5:13, 14).
Since there are many God's it should be understood that Jesus was specifically talking about his father JHVH (in english Jehovah), not just any God.

Jesus claimed that he was the truth.
when he said I am the truth, he was not simply referring to the fact that he made truth known in his speaking, preaching, and teaching. but showed it by fulfilling prophecies and his actions.

Jesus also claimed that he was the life.
It is only through him that we can receive life that is -the real life- (1 Timothy 6:19) The Bible says: He that exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life; he that disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him. (John 3:36) .

For the majority these requirements seem either too simple or too demanding, Preferring to go through complicated rituals, philosophical calisthenics or to believe in astronomical improbabilities.

what do you think ?

As you said, ( Jesus is the way in that only through him can we enter into an approved relationship with God)

So how does that work to fit with
2 Timothy 2:15--"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth"

Therefore it's a person studying God's word, that a person is approved unto God

 

[InChrist]

according to Mat 7:14there is only one path to salvation.

Jesus claimed that he was that path.(John 14:6)
Jesus is the way in that only through him can we enter into an approved relationship with God.

Why ? Because sin creates a barrier between humans and God, for God is holy and therefore can never approve of sin. (Isaiah 6:3; 59:2) The sacrifice of Jesus removed that barrier; it provided the necessary covering, (atonement), for sin. (Hebrews 10:12; 1 John 1:7)

Additionally Jesus is the way when it comes to prayer.
Only through Jesus can we go to God in prayer with the assurance that our heartfelt petitions will be favorably heard (1 John 5:13, 14).
Since there are many God's it should be understood that Jesus was specifically talking about his father JHVH (in english Jehovah), not just any God.

Jesus claimed that he was the truth.
when he said I am the truth, he was not simply referring to the fact that he made truth known in his speaking, preaching, and teaching. but showed it by fulfilling prophecies and his actions.

Jesus also claimed that he was the life.
It is only through him that we can receive life that is -the real life- (1 Timothy 6:19) The Bible says: He that exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life; he that disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him. (John 3:36) .

For the majority these requirements seem either too simple or too demanding, Preferring to go through complicated rituals, philosophical calisthenics or to believe in astronomical improbabilities.

what do you think ?

I think the words of Jesus are true and uncomplicated with eternal ramifications for everyone.

Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. John 6:47

You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life. John 5:39-40

 

[Faithofchristian]

That is someone's interpretation - that is the problem with stuff like this - tell it to 10 people and you get 15 different interpretations - no dice

As for what the Qu'ran says - did not Muhammad say he was the last and final messenger? So Moses, Abraham and Jesus preceding him are okay and .........

Did you notice, Muhammad said that.
And no one else.
As it seems alot in the Qu'ran it's always Muhammad saying things, But nothing from Allah himself.

As in the Bible God does alot of talking himself and not just the Prophets.

So it seems Muhammad is always putting words in the mouth of Allah.
Could it be that Allah is to afraid to speak

 

[Faithofchristian]

according to Mat 7:14there is only one path to salvation.

Jesus claimed that he was that path.(John 14:6)
Jesus is the way in that only through him can we enter into an approved relationship with God.

Why ? Because sin creates a barrier between humans and God, for God is holy and therefore can never approve of sin. (Isaiah 6:3; 59:2) The sacrifice of Jesus removed that barrier; it provided the necessary covering, (atonement), for sin. (Hebrews 10:12; 1 John 1:7)

Additionally Jesus is the way when it comes to prayer.
Only through Jesus can we go to God in prayer with the assurance that our heartfelt petitions will be favorably heard (1 John 5:13, 14).
Since there are many God's it should be understood that Jesus was specifically talking about his father JHVH (in english Jehovah), not just any God.

Jesus claimed that he was the truth.
when he said I am the truth, he was not simply referring to the fact that he made truth known in his speaking, preaching, and teaching. but showed it by fulfilling prophecies and his actions.

Jesus also claimed that he was the life.
It is only through him that we can receive life that is -the real life- (1 Timothy 6:19) The Bible says: He that exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life; he that disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him. (John 3:36) .

For the majority these requirements seem either too simple or too demanding, Preferring to go through complicated rituals, philosophical calisthenics or to believe in astronomical improbabilities.

what do you think ?

Jesus is the only way to salvation,Ok
Now that's not a guarantee, that people will have salvation. As much as people are taught.
Seeing how Jesus will take people's names out of his book of Life.
So where does salvation stand.

Revelation 3:5--"He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels"

 

[QuestioningMind]

according to Mat 7:14there is only one path to salvation.

Jesus claimed that he was that path.(John 14:6)
Jesus is the way in that only through him can we enter into an approved relationship with God.

Why ? Because sin creates a barrier between humans and God, for God is holy and therefore can never approve of sin. (Isaiah 6:3; 59:2) The sacrifice of Jesus removed that barrier; it provided the necessary covering, (atonement), for sin. (Hebrews 10:12; 1 John 1:7)

Additionally Jesus is the way when it comes to prayer.
Only through Jesus can we go to God in prayer with the assurance that our heartfelt petitions will be favorably heard (1 John 5:13, 14).
Since there are many God's it should be understood that Jesus was specifically talking about his father JHVH (in english Jehovah), not just any God.

Jesus claimed that he was the truth.
when he said I am the truth, he was not simply referring to the fact that he made truth known in his speaking, preaching, and teaching. but showed it by fulfilling prophecies and his actions.

Jesus also claimed that he was the life.
It is only through him that we can receive life that is -the real life- (1 Timothy 6:19) The Bible says: He that exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life; he that disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him. (John 3:36) .

For the majority these requirements seem either too simple or too demanding, Preferring to go through complicated rituals, philosophical calisthenics or to believe in astronomical improbabilities.

what do you think ?

I think that you mention that Jesus 'claimed' all sorts of fantastical things, yet I've yet to see any verifiable evidence that any of these claims are actually true.

 

[Audie]

I think the words of Jesus are true and uncomplicated with eternal ramifications for everyone.

Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. John 6:47

You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life. John 5:39-40

It is not a case of "unwilling". I mean,who would not
like it? A psycho of some sort, maybe.

I am not a psycho, I just do not believe it. I dont
believe in the book of mormon, I dont believe
in Lono, or the Kitchen God.

I could say I do: I could pretend, try to fool myself.
But I dont.

It does not help, at all, to see those who do
believe, also believing in the most ridiculous
things like flash frozen mammoths and
the "flood", Adam and Eve as the first
people....you know? Its like, why would
I trust in any way the judgement of people
that silly?

But then, I keep my own counsel, i believe,
or dont believe in, say, flying saucers, on my
own.

And in my deepest heart of hearts, I just do not
believe all these promises. "God", should it
exist, is not going to be fooled if I say I do

 

[Audie]

I think that you mention that Jesus 'claimed' all sorts of fantastical things, yet I've yet to see any verifiable evidence that any of these claims are actually true.

There is that. And there is that nobody knows
where or when he was born, but they have the
most remarkably detailed story about the details
of his birth, down to what "wise men" brought.

Nobody knows what he did most of his life, nobody
knows where or when he died.

But they have the most intimate details about
that, too.

They said he sent some devils into a herd of
pigs, to cure mental illness?

Nobody wrote down anything that he (is claimed to
have) said until decades later, then, they wrote it all down
verbatim from memory?

In the sniff test dept, it sure does not sound true.

Same test on J Smith really finding gold tablets in
a cave in upstate NY?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Really?
You can keep making that claim over and over,
until you really believe it, but it wont ever become
true.
Pretending it is true just kills anything else you
have to say.

OK, I am wondering why you did Not say which other belief systems or where

 

[InChrist]

It is not a case of "unwilling". I mean,who would not
like it? A psycho of some sort, maybe.

I am not a psycho, I just do not believe it. I dont
believe in the book of mormon, I dont believe
in Lono, or the Kitchen God.

I could say I do: I could pretend, try to fool myself.
But I dont.

It does not help, at all, to see those who do
believe, also believing in the most ridiculous
things like flash frozen mammoths and
the "flood", Adam and Eve as the first
people....you know? Its like, why would
I trust in any way the judgement of people
that silly?

But then, I keep my own counsel, i believe,
or dont believe in, say, flying saucers, on my
own.

And in my deepest heart of hearts, I just do not
believe all these promises. "God", should it
exist, is not going to be fooled if I say I do

You are right. God would not be fooled and why should you or anyone pretend? What is that but hypocrisy, anyway? I appreciate your integrity and I'm glad you won't "believe" if you really don't. No where to the scriptures say otherwise. They do say that God desires people to seek and to come to Hm and reason together. If you have sincerely done so in your heart of hearts, then that is your business and I think God's. I can only speak for myself in saying that when I sought answers God provided in ways that were relevant and reasonable to me so I believe His promises.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

"I am the way"
What does that mean? Does it mean belief is Jesus as Messiah or does it mean to follow Jesus' example. That of renouncing worldly goods, property, ownership and becoming a religious hermit?
Matthew 6:26 New International Version (NIV)
26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?

Matthew 6:26 is letting us know not to worry. Please continue reading to Matthew 6:33-34.

Jesus is saying 'he is the way to everlasting life' because Jesus is given the resurrection power - Revelation 1:18.
Some to gain 'everlasting life in Heaven' - Luke 22:28-30; Revelation 20:6; 5:9-10; 2:10.
The majority of mankind can gain ''everlasting life on Earth' as originally offered to Adam before his downfall.
That is why Jesus, when referring to Psalms 37:9-11, said the humble meek people will inherit the Earth.
This is also why we are all invited to pray the invitation of Revelation 22:20 for Jesus to come !
Come and bring the healthy benefit of ' healing ' for earth's nations.
Mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' on Earth for the 'healing' of earth's nations.
Jesus will fulfill God's promise to father Abraham that ALL families and ALL nations of Earth will be blessed.
Blessed with the benefit of 'healing' as described at Isaiah 35th chapter. (Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18; 18:18)

 

[Audie]

You are right. God would not be fooled and why should you or anyone pretend? What is that but hypocrisy, anyway? I appreciate your integrity and don't I'm glad you won't "believe" if you really don't. No where to the scriptures say otherwise. They do say that God desires people to seek and to come to Hm and reason together. If you have sincerely done so in your heart of hearts, then that is your business and I think God's. I can only speak for myself in saying that when I sought answers God provided in ways that were relevant and reasonable to me so I believe His promises.

Id be most honoured and happy to "reason with"
God! Or any other attention for that matter.
Even a glimpse that such a thing exists.

 

[Audie]

OK, I am wondering why you did Not say which other belief systems or where

sorry-ah, i should have only quoted this part-
just as visible creation surrounding us is Not out of harmony with Scripture.

That just is so far from true! Genesis is stories
but they could hardly be further from reality if t hey tried.

I am not concerned with other belief systems, who
dont get it right either.