I believe anyone here thinks I'm wicked

[Epic Beard Man]

At first I thought it was only an impression...but then I figured out that many people here thinks I'm a wicked person....just because I don't mind expressing what I think. My views.



Well...maybe my ideas make me wicked in people's eyes....but I am sure I am not.
Because of my idea I've been insulted vilified belittled mocked by many people here.
But I've never reported them. Because I love everyone here and I would never want anyone to get into trouble...even those who hate me.

So I guess this makes me a good person. Not a wicked one

If I can impart anything....Never look for positive validation on a website among strangers that serves no outside benefit to you. All we do is share opinions, ideas, words etc. Only you can define yourself, and sure we all have opinions of what we think of the next person but it really doesn't matter what any of us think of each other. We all may never see you (or each other) outside these forums so it doesn't matter. Only you know who are and that's all it matters.

 

[Jumi]

@Estro Felino You believe a lot of propaganda and conspiracy theory so you promote those ideas. Armed with those kinds of divisive ideas, what else to expect than people think you're wicked. I knew you from your posts before you bought into the things you currently seem to believe, so I don't think you're wicked or anything like that but I'm worried that you're getting too deep into kind of politics that ruins people fast. I hope you don't go too far into them before you realize you need to make a journey back...

 

[Estro Felino]

If I can impart anything....Never look for positive validation on a website among strangers that serves no outside benefit to you. All we do is share opinions, ideas, words etc. Only you can define yourself, and sure we all have opinions of what we think of the next person but it really doesn't matter what any of us think of each other. We all may never see you (or each other) outside these forums so it doesn't matter. Only you know who are and that's all it matters.

We rarely agree on something, but you've always been kind, polite and patient to me. Thanks EBM

 

[Jumi]

If I can impart anything....Never look for positive validation on a website among strangers that serves no outside benefit to you. All we do is share opinions, ideas, words etc. Only you can define yourself, and sure we all have opinions of what we think of the next person but it really doesn't matter what any of us think of each other. We all may never see you (or each other) outside these forums so it doesn't matter. Only you know who are and that's all it matters.

Friendly and useful. It's true that when we meet people outside forums, we might see them quite a lot better than on these divisive grounds...

 

[Misunderstood]

Estro, I'm not going to be PC about it. The fact is, you seem to pass along more than your fair share of misinformation and lies on nearly any topic you weigh in on. Your statements about what is true or false are not to be trusted for truthfulness or accuracy. They do not help people understand the world any better than they already do understand the world -- and they might even set back some people's understanding of the world.

Note: I am not talking of mere opinions here -- everyone has their own opinions about things, and we all have a right to our own opinions. But I am talking here -- not about your opinions -- but about what you so often state as fact, as truth. Your "facts" and "truths" are not to be trusted.

Whether you think that makes you wicked is up to your conscience. It's a matter for you to decide.

But if you wish to change, you might begin by considering that the truth or falsity of something can be important to at least some people, and that passing along information that might mislead or fool them is not something that many of those people find endearing about someone.

Hello Sunstone,

I hate to step in here as I am sure this is about some issue I know nothing about. I have looked over some recent posts, and see nothing worse than I have seen on this forum, except that I see it is about politics and that gets very heated.

But as far as this Forum goes there are really no facts or truths, only beliefs. This is after all called 'Religious Forums'. I know I cannot at this time prove God to anyone, and I do not feel anyone can prove that there is no God, we all only have our beliefs. So if someone comes here for truths and expects to find them, I think they came to the wrong place. If they come looking for something to believe in, or not believe, hopefully they will find that. Politics are basically the same each side believes in their party and will defend it to death (hence wars). I myself wish we did not have parties, and politicians all stood on their own; we decide whether they are good or bad individually, not by the party they belong to.

If the rules are being broken, inappropriate language, calling names, or other rules. I feel action should be taken, but if something is said that someone disagrees with it should stand whether right or wrong, it is their belief and is at least right to them.

Thanks for listening, and hopefully you don't unfollow me as you are half of my followers.

 

[LuisDantas]

Personally, I still do not know what to make of the fact that people that I know and interact with on a first name basis actually voted for a nationalistic candidate for President.

Acceptance of nationalism is just not something that I do. I do not really have the tools to deal with it. I will frustrate those who expect me to accept its expression; the only doubt is how exactly.

And while it has been generally very difficult to discuss politics at all, be it Brazilian or foreign, with the boundaries between clarity and insult becoming ever blurrier these days, I personaly have come to wonder why you so often talk about "Kenyan Obama" and the like just like that, sometimes without even acknowledging that you have no evidence to support for the claim or hinting at how you expect people to take those claim.

In short, there is no hint that you do not expect to be simply called a provocative liar, a troll, or worse.

Establishing proper protocol of trust and mutual acceptance in forums is a continuous challenge under the best of circunstances, but you are remarkably unusual in that regard.

It is not that you hold strong opinions (that is hardly unusual in and of itself) that are not always given proper contextual information (which is always welcome, but often neglected by others as well). That is a common enough situation, one which is challenging but not unwelcome.

I am no stranger to confrontational statements, but yours often leave me puzzled. Some just can't be accepted and clearly do not mean to be accepted. Yet you keep making them and acting surprised that they cause strong reactions. I just don't know what to make of that. It is not necessarily a bad clash, or worse than just being ignored, but it is certainly very puzzling.

 

[Estro Felino]

What i did criticise was him getting miffed that people disagree with his views.

No I get mystified that people vilify me for disagreeing with me.
Not you Terese

 

[Sunstone]

But as far as this Forum goes there are really no facts or truths, only beliefs.

I am forced to disagree with you here. So far as I can see -- while some things are a mere matter of opinion -- many things are matters of fact or non-fact. It's a fact that, where I am, it is currently night. I might pretend that is merely a matter of opinion, but I would be crazy to do so. Now, it is indeed a matter of opinion whether or not I like the night.

In the same way, it is a matter of fact whether or not -- say for example -- Hillary Clinton is a lesbian. Estro has repeatedly asserted that she is. That's not a statement of mere opinion, but a truth-claim. As it happens, there is little or no support for the truthfulness of the claim -- albeit many people who detest Clinton seem to think the claim is true.

...I do not feel anyone can prove that there is no God...

The statement that no one can prove there is a god, or that there is no god -- that statement is a truth claim. It is not a matter of opinion whether or not anyone can prove or disprove god, but rather it is a matter of fact (or non-fact). So, to me at least, you are using an example of a truth claim to assert there are no truth claims. A contradiction.

Thanks for listening, and hopefully you don't unfollow me as you are half of my followers.

I do not unfollow people simply because we disagree. I follow people in the first place because I believe their views -- even if and when we disagree -- can help me to understand the world a bit better. I only unfollow them if I discover that they cannot help me to understand the world better. Your views -- although we sometimes disagree -- are useful in shedding light on somethings, albeit perhaps not always the light you think they shed. At least, that's my take on them. Thank you for them!

 

[Jumi]

No I get mystified that people vilify me for disagreeing with me.

That happens quite often though and not only with people you disagree with, but people who read something else into what you say. Happened to me a couple of times that what was supposed to be a friendly discussion with two people who agree turned into them making some comments that I'd call base.

 

[Misunderstood]

I'm sorry to hear that. That's very unfortunate. I won't criticise your decision to vent out your frustration.

I am not in line with your views, but i don't avoid you. If i did, i would not post on your threads Also, i'm sorry if my posts have been disrespectful. That was and has not been my intention.

No, insulting them back would not be a good idea. If you are wondering, Estro not reporting or insulting others out of a Christian idea and does not hate anyone on this forum is something i did and do not criticise. I think it is very respectable. What i did criticise was him getting miffed that people disagree with his views.

Thanks for the reply, I never liked the "repay in kind" type of attitude, I think its better to repay evil with good.

It may not be good to be miffed when criticized, but, if someone walks up to you and hits you, I don't think it is a good idea to hit them back, but its still going to hurt, and I would probably even let out a couple of curse words and say 'Why did you do that'.

Nice chatting and have a wonderful day!

 

[Estro Felino]

In short, there is no hint that you do not expect to be simply called a provocative liar, a troll, or worse.
.

Do you think I enjoy receiving those appellatives?
No...I don't. Especially coming from you, Luis.

I've always been kind and understanding with you....sending you messages of friendship...always giving you very high ratings (deservedly)...
I am a very outspoken person...and that makes me sound irrational, but I value the neighbor.

 

[Misunderstood]

I am forced to disagree with you here. So far as I can see -- while some things are a mere matter of opinion -- many things are matters of fact or non-fact. It's a fact that, where I am, it is currently night. I might pretend that is merely a matter of opinion, but I would be crazy to do so. Now, it is indeed a matter of opinion whether or not I like the night.

In the same way, it is a matter of fact whether or not -- say for example -- Hillary Clinton is a lesbian. Estro has repeatedly asserted that she is. That's not a statement of mere opinion, but a truth-claim. As it happens, there is little or no support for the truthfulness of the claim -- albeit many people who detest Clinton seem to think the claim is true.



The statement that no one can prove there is a god, or that there is no god -- that statement is a truth claim. It is not a matter of opinion whether or not anyone can prove or disprove god, but rather it is a matter of fact (or non-fact). So, to me at least, you are using an example of a truth claim to assert there are no truth claims. A contradiction.



I do not unfollow people simply because we disagree. I follow people in the first place because I believe their views -- even if and when we disagree -- can help me to understand the world a bit better. I only unfollow them if I discover that they cannot help me to understand the world better. Your views -- although we sometimes disagree -- are useful in shedding light on somethings, albeit perhaps not always the light you think they shed. At least, that's my take on them. Thank you for them!

I would like to reply to this, but it is just getting to late and I need to work in the morning, so maybe another time. I might PM you as I think this discussion may take us way of topic from the OP, or if you have a better idea?

Thanks for the interesting evening.

 

[LuisDantas]

Do you think I enjoy receiving those appellatives?
No...I don't. Especially coming from you, Luis.

I've always been kind and understanding with you....sending you messages of friendship...always giving you very high ratings (deservedly)...
I am a very outspoken person...and that makes me sound irrational, but I value the neighbor.

That is all true.

I still have a hard time trying to put myself in your place.

 

[Flankerl]

Right out of the horses mouth.

Or you guys can make an anti-Freemasonry law...banning those Rascals from Westminster...
that would be a good start....some good cleansing

yes...the same old tune. No wonder we elected a dictator in the 20s who got rid of Freemasons and Bankers.
A bit of cleansing is necessary, sometimes

yeah... it was you British who dumped us in 1936, after that our Duce declared war on the International Banking system...
the Rothschilds are alive and well in Britain...so..

Let's drop it...I remind you that Great Britain decided to abandon the alliance with Italy in 1936 as soon as our Duce declared war on the Rothschilds' empire.

Then we had no other choice than to go with Germany. We were disposed to choose the devil himself to destroy the Rothschilds.

 

[Estro Felino]

Right out of the horses mouth.

Am I wicked because I said that a banking dynasty who destroyed countries' economies, people's lives is evil?
That's called turning the victim into the perpetrator and the perpetrator into the victim

 

[ChristineM]

At first I thought it was only an impression...but then I figured out that many people here thinks I'm a wicked person....just because I don't mind expressing what I think. My views.



Well...maybe my ideas make me wicked in people's eyes....but I am sure I am not.
Because of my idea I've been insulted vilified belittled mocked by many people here.
But I've never reported them. Because I love everyone here and I would never want anyone to get into trouble...even those who hate me.

So I guess this makes me a good person. Not a wicked one

Just because we disagree on political views does not make you "wicked"

Just because we disagree on your attitude to women does not make you "wicked"

Just because you have called me a feminist and a lesbian does not make you "wicked" but it does make you ignorant of who i am.

 

[Stevicus]

At first I thought it was only an impression...but then I figured out that many people here thinks I'm a wicked person....just because I don't mind expressing what I think. My views.



Well...maybe my ideas make me wicked in people's eyes....but I am sure I am not.
Because of my idea I've been insulted vilified belittled mocked by many people here.
But I've never reported them. Because I love everyone here and I would never want anyone to get into trouble...even those who hate me.

So I guess this makes me a good person. Not a wicked one

I think it largely depends on the subject matter, although I get the sense that what is considered "PC" in Italy is quite different than what is considered "PC" in Anglosphere countries. I don't think that makes you a wicked person, although everyone has their own particular point of view. Some might think of others as "wicked" or "deplorable" if their worldview doesn't conform to a certain acceptable narrative. This seems to trigger a certain kind of scripted, confrontational response, which often entails mocking, belittlement, ridicule, and vilification. Once you see it as a kind of insincere, disingenuous put-on - a manufactured drama of sorts - then it doesn't look quite the same anymore.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Friendly and useful. It's true that when we meet people outside forums, we might see them quite a lot better than on these divisive grounds...

I agree. Which is why I said that people here who have a negative view of me may think differently if they see me outside these forums.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Just because you have called me a feminist and a lesbian .

Sorry but I chuckled at this a little bit. I read it in Roseanne Barr's voice.

 

[ChristineM]

Sorry but I chuckled at this a little bit. I read it in Roseanne Barr's voice.

Hmmm, you can't help how your voice sounds