Say we could map the interaction between every atom and molecule in the brain. Let's say we did that when a person was making a choice. Are you saying that at some points in time we could see that some atoms and molecules interacted in ways that violates the laws of physics?
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*[I believe] Atheism is an absurd worldview
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Gambit
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No, I'm not saying that. In fact, the observer effect in quantum mechanics provides a role for consciousness to play. Of course, the skeptics will scoff at this as quantum mysticism.
We are a result of evolution and natural selection. We are a result of a natural process just like every other living or extinct organism. The dinosaurs served no purpose, we serve no purpose. But we did evolve instincts like the survival instinct and the instinct to produce offspring. So here we are doing our best to survive and multiply just like the rest of our fellow organisms. We evolved justice systems and laws and religions and belief systems because they provided authority figures and rules for behavior and groups where people cooperated etc etc and this increased our chances of survival and successful reproduction.
outhouse
Atheistically
I believe academic reality and science states it is quantum mysticism, not just skeptics.
What does it matter if this observer effect has no effect on how the brain works anyway?
outhouse
Atheistically
That is not accurate.
The number #1 definition is as follows. And it has nothing to do with the apologetic definition you quote mined.
the ability to choose how to act
Free will has nothing to do with your mythology.
outhouse
Atheistically
This is only an argument about the nature of said causes, they are nothing but opinions and are not substantiated
Promoting Fesers rhetoric means nothing and has no credibility at all.
outhouse
Atheistically
No you quote mined
AND got caught doing it.
Gods do not exist scientifically outside mythology, so YOU do not have he high road here because your philosophy teacher thinks differently. Your are producing unsubstantiated pseudoscience here to try and attack atheism, and your failing.
If you don't know the "why," you may still feel free to insert any explanation that makes sense to you. It's called rationalization.
It's like god of the gaps for atheists.
Gambit
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Gambit
Well-Known Member
I generally agree. But there's something you're missing here. A truly random event is a truly mystical one because it defies any kind of mechanistic explanation.
The Neo Nerd
Well-Known Member
I'm sorry i did not understand this. Can you please expand on the concept.
Oh. I do see the difference. You are not free to choose whatever you like because there's always a reason behind your choice, but you are free to choose in the first place.
Why is it mystical just "because it defies any kind of mechanistic explanation"? Tomorrow we might find out how random events can happen and that the explanation is perfectly "non-mystical..."
mindlight
See in the dark
It is absurd to hold to a world view that has no answers to the big questions and is essentially hopeless. Atheism is rendered absurd by the reality of meaning which any honest person essentially grasps is possible.
It is absurd to hold to a world view where people answer a big question like "Why are there earthquakes" with "Poseidon makes them". Theism is rendered absurd because none of the thousands of gods people have believed in have been shown to exist. We just use them as placeholders and pseudo explanations until we find the real explanations.
mindlight
See in the dark
Christ existed and exists and is the best possible affirmation of Theism. There was an historical context to the revelation of Jewish and Christian scriptures which people can agree on. It is absurd to pigeon hole Christianity with other non historical religions and it is absurd to dismiss out of hand the evidence that give a context to these claims.
So let's see... I don't believe gods exist. You don't believe gods exist, except one. So you are 99.9% atheist already. Well, you have to stop believing in just one more god to become a full member of the atheist club...
mindlight
See in the dark
So let's see... I don't believe gods exist. You don't believe gods exist, except one. So you are 99.9% atheist already. Well, you have to stop believing in just one more god to become a full member of the atheist club...
Actually I find that I am more atheistic than most atheists when it comes to other gods. Atheists do all sorts of stupid non atheistic things like check their horror scopes , believe in aliens and alien abduction. But when it comes to the God whom Christ reveals the evidence is overwhelming and irrefutable. Here I stand I can do no other!
Non-atheistic things? Do you mean these are theist things?
Well, actually the Biblical God can't logically exist. He is said to be omnipotent but can't defeat iron chariots, the Bible says He can't be seen and claims nobody has seen Him but then records testimonies of people who have seen Him. The Biblical God can't exist any more than married bachelors can exist.