*[I believe] Atheism is an absurd worldview

[Blastcat]

No. I doubt it every time it happens. Do you think I wouldn't love to be normal?

I have no idea. Why do you ask others?

 

[Blastcat]

What? Please listen to yourself. It never happened because you quit.

LOL.. I don't keep looking for something that isn't there. IF it was real, we would have plenty of evidence and people like me wouldn't HAVE to ask for evidence.

 

[savagewind]

LOL.. I don't keep looking for something that isn't there. IF it was real, we would have plenty of evidence and people like me wouldn't HAVE to ask for evidence.

There is evidence.
1 The ground
2. The movement of heavenly bodies
3. The seasons
4. Symbiosis
5. Energy
6. Dreams
7. Life spans

 

[skl]

You have decided. I haven't.

Fair enough, but I did not decide, it is an accurate assessment of the existence of gods' issue, supported by historical information and basic logical conclusions confirmed through an abundance of scientific evidence.
What other alternatives are there?

 

[savagewind]

Fair enough, but I did not decide, it is an accurate assessment of the existence of gods' issue, supported by historical information and basic logical conclusions confirmed through an abundance of scientific evidence.
What other alternatives are there?

History can not define spiritual activity. That is a fact. Agree?
My logical conclusion is that something can not come from nothing thus energy in the form of GOD has always existed.

 

[skl]

There is evidence.
1 The ground
2. The movement of heavenly bodies
3. The seasons
4. Symbiosis
5. Energy
6. Dreams
7. Life spans

What in Gods’ name is “heavenly bodies” excuse the pun. All the other things you mention are real for all of us. All this so called evidence proves is that you are alive in a real place with real things called reality. Where does God come into this?

 

[Blastcat]

There is evidence.
1 The ground

How is the ground evidence for spirits?

2. The movement of heavenly bodies

Where are the spirits in the movement of heavenly bodies?

3. The seasons

I don't see a connection, the world rotates, so how does that work as evidence for the supernatural?

4. Symbiosis

No reason to think that symbiosis has anything to DO with the supernatural. Can you show us a link?

5. Energy

Energy is material. Do you have any way to demonstrate otherwise?

6. Dreams

Nobody actually knows why we have them but it's hardly EVIDENCE for... anything other than our brains working while we are asleep.

7. Life spans

Er... Life spans? Ok .. you got me there.
I have NO idea what that means, or how you can make a connection to anything supernatural.
Everything that you mentioned above is NATURAL.. not evidence for the SUPERNATURAL.

 

[Blastcat]

History can not define spiritual activity. That is a fact. Agree?
My logical conclusion is that something can not come from nothing thus energy in the form of GOD has always existed.

If it's a "logical conclusion" , could you provide us your "logical reasoning" that led you to it?

 

[leibowde84]

What? Please listen to yourself. It never happened because you quit.

That's pretty assuming and condescending. You have no idea how hard he tried. And, your only evidence is the very scripture that claims your premise to be true. Thus, it is nothing but circular reasoning. Known flawed logic being used to slap another in the face in the misguided name of scripture. And, I'm pretty sure that is not what the scriptures were meant for.

 

[skl]

History can not define spiritual activity. That is a fact. Agree?
My logical conclusion is that something can not come from nothing thus energy in the form of GOD has always existed.

History was by far more awash with events classed as spiritual or paranormal than today. They may not have been able to define spiritual activity as modern science can but religious superstition drove the laws and many community members into cruel and sadistic practices against each other.

For example, the Christians were so convinced that witches were real it has been estimated that tens of thousands of people were executed for witchcraft in Europe and the American colonies over several hundred years. This is a good example how the power of the mind through religious doctrine can control each person because these murders were instigated by so called upstanding members of the community who were religiously indoctrinated. Parallels to Islamic terrorists don’t you think?

Something real and physical did not come originally from nothing but science is still working on exactly how the universe came into being. I admit that we do not yet know these answers, but while we are on this issue can you explain where did the energy in the form of the Christian God come from?

 

[leibowde84]

History was by far more awash with events classed as spiritual or paranormal than today. They may not have been able to define spiritual activity as modern science can but religious superstition drove the laws and many community members into cruel and sadistic practices against each other.

For example, the Christians were so convinced that witches were real it has been estimated that tens of thousands of people were executed for witchcraft in Europe and the American colonies over several hundred years. This is a good example how the power of the mind through religious doctrine can control each person because these murders were instigated by so called upstanding members of the community who were religiously indoctrinated. Parallels to Islamic terrorists don’t you think?

Something real and physical did not come originally from nothing but science is still working on exactly how the universe came into being. I admit that we do not yet know these answers, but while we are on this issue can you explain where did the energy in the form of the Christian God come from?

Well-put.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

For example, the Christians were so convinced that witches were real it has been estimated that tens of thousands of people were executed for witchcraft in Europe and the American colonies over several hundred years.

It's worth noting that Papua New Guinea, an overwhelmingly Christian country (approx 98%), has a large problem with witch-killings right NOW, with dozens killed per year. It's not exactly as impressive as thousands over multiple continents, but it's worth remembering this behaviour isn't entirely consigned to the history books.

Please note, I'm not trying to specifically link Christianity and witch-killing.

 

[savagewind]

That's pretty assuming and condescending. You have no idea how hard he tried. And, your only evidence is the very scripture that claims your premise to be true. Thus, it is nothing but circular reasoning. Known flawed logic being used to slap another in the face in the misguided name of scripture. And, I'm pretty sure that is not what the scriptures were meant for.

I do not think so. There are plenty of scriptures which say a person must keep on seeking.
Matthew 10:22
Matthew 24:13
Luke 21:19
Romans 2:7
Hebrews 10:36
James 5:8
Do you think God does not know that a person is going to quit seeking God?

 

[savagewind]

Something real and physical did not come originally from nothing but science is still working on exactly how the universe came into being. I admit that we do not yet know these answers, but while we are on this issue can you explain where did the energy in the form of the Christian God come from?

God has no beginning. When someone says the physical universe had no beginning people do not argue it.
Why do you argue God's beginning?

 

[skl]

It's worth noting that Papua New Guinea, an overwhelmingly Christian country (approx 98%), has a large problem with witch-killings right NOW, with dozens killed per year. It's not exactly as impressive as thousands over multiple continents, but it's worth remembering this behaviour isn't entirely consigned to the history books.

Please note, I'm not trying to specifically link Christianity and witch-killing.

Papua New Guinea has been a late developing country and it is not a surprise that the old superstitions and accusations of sorcery are still strong. In fact according to Wikipedia a tribe was engaging in cannibalism and killing victims as late as 2012.

 

[skl]

God has no beginning. When someone says the physical universe had no beginning people do not argue it.
Why do you argue God's beginning?

I am not arguing Gods’ beginning because I agree he never had a beginning and will never have a beginning unless of course your mind is indoctrinated by religious ideology into believing he exists. The beginning of the universe will have a scientific answer just as the evolution of man and it maybe something we will never know or understand for hundreds of years, however we do know that none of the gods invented so far had anything to do with it.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Papua New Guinea has been a late developing country and it is not a surprise that the old superstitions and accusations of sorcery are still strong. In fact according to Wikipedia a tribe was engaging in cannibalism and killing victims as late as 2012.

Yeah...lived there for a while after uni. Interesting place.

 

[skl]

Yeah...lived there for a while after uni. Interesting place.

I bet it was and definitely a tough bunch of people. I understand this country is Rugby League mad and they play matches on ground as hard as concrete.