Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Love is inherently possessive in nature.
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I believe God loves gays and lesbians
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Bird123
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Yes, Why do these things exist?
Community, trust, safety??
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RestlessSoul
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Mate, that’s so sad. Haven’t you ever loved, or felt yourself loved, unselfishly?
Tell you what; I’m sending you love. And I want nothing from you.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
@Twilight Hue won't accept because it's communism if it isn't transactional.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Love is transitional meaning it
comes and goes like any emotion and isn't something that lasts, so clinging on to it is pointless.
Love is also possessive, and one of the proofs is the institution of marriage where "until death do you part" is, in itself, a declaration of that possessiveness, deeming all is off limits from that point on in regard to potential suitors that may interfere with the declared union.
It dosent mean a person hates anyone or am indifferent to ones better half. I'm just realistic enough to know that possessiveness is a destructive and unhealthy obsession to engage in and that includes love.
I just enjoy the time together knowing it isn't something that will last forever or is immune from corruption and hope it will carry on as long as possible. It enhances the time spent and makes things special at the moment.
Bird123
Well-Known Member
Why are you alive? What is the purpose of it all? What is the goal? What is the method? How does everything work? Why are things done this way?
There are an endless supply of questions for one who seeks. One must look beyond the surface. More is going on beyond having it made or never hurting. Look at all around you. What are the results of what you see? What is changing? How is it changing? Put the pieces together and discover the Big picture.
That's what I see. It's very clear!!
My father didn't pull out or wear a condom. Not a necessary question, not a necessary question, not really important, not important either.
There are an endless supply of questions, you're right. And none of those answers require a singular creator god whose entire existence is "unconditional love".
That's not a big enough picture.
And "that's what I see. It's very clear!!"
So you have a bias against homosexuals? Why do you think that is inconsistent with love but consistent with God?
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Yeah, love is selfless, and it don't die with emotions that come and go. Love goes one way out to the loved. I mean it's nice when someone loves you back, but that's not the goal or intention.
As for gays and lesbians why should it be any different for them.
This all makes me think it's uncommon in the world. And it certainly doesn't depend on any religion, or non religion. I'm very fortunate to know it and I'm glad to be able to love. It's even something that lets me know I don't need to be saved by anything or anyone and I can feel good about me.
When you genuinely want the very best for someone else with no expectation or demand of returns, that's love. It just so happens that some people are easy to love and love you back. Then there's the harder ones to love who stick it back in your face, or couldn't care less if you died. That's where I'm glad I love myself. There's always forgiveness in it because everyone is human. There are people I have a hard time caring about. My mercy only goes so far with all the evil out there.
If there be a God of love, I don't see the ends from the beginnings, maybe universal salvation applies. From the smallness of a human perspective there's too much I don't know. My atheism remains.
As for gays and lesbians why should it be any different for them.
This all makes me think it's uncommon in the world. And it certainly doesn't depend on any religion, or non religion. I'm very fortunate to know it and I'm glad to be able to love. It's even something that lets me know I don't need to be saved by anything or anyone and I can feel good about me.
When you genuinely want the very best for someone else with no expectation or demand of returns, that's love. It just so happens that some people are easy to love and love you back. Then there's the harder ones to love who stick it back in your face, or couldn't care less if you died. That's where I'm glad I love myself. There's always forgiveness in it because everyone is human. There are people I have a hard time caring about. My mercy only goes so far with all the evil out there.
If there be a God of love, I don't see the ends from the beginnings, maybe universal salvation applies. From the smallness of a human perspective there's too much I don't know. My atheism remains.
DNB
Christian
Yes, you're absolutely correct.
Treasure Hunter
Well-Known Member
Any human sexual activity that isn’t specifically for procreation is a violation against God and Heaven. And even sex for procreation is an adulterous act against the soul if I’m speaking to the highest truth.
Anything below this bar is a compromise. The one who stays on the narrow path and play the highest stakes for the grand prize transcends compromises.
Judgments are made through the Son of Man. These judgments are an act of love in a way that is hidden.
DNB
Christian
Even murderers, kidnappers, blasphemers, rapist, antisemites, non Christians, atheists?
Why would He love someone that defies His will, or denies His existence, or persecutes those that worship Him?
Why would He love someone like homosexuals, that have perverted His creation, influenced others to do the same, especially when the majority of them are atheists also?
Your beliefs and comprehension are highly questionable.
Is this a fact we all have to abide to, or limited to whichever believers have decided this is a proper interpretation of whatever religious text they have decided is authoritative?
Well that is questionable. If it is the highest truth then you must have a complete set of facts to back it up. Or is this just your opionion as a fallble mortal, and irrelevant to anyone else?
How is that? Explain using facts.
Too bad none of this can be verified as true, eh? So how is it relevant to independent minds?
Why wouldn't a God love atheists and non-Christians? Are you admiting that you don't "love thy neighbor"?
Because he is an absent God that relies on word of mouth and peer pressure to spread the Word. There is good reason to doubt, and surely God knows this.
Because God isn't a bigot. So how about you? Are on the wrong side of "love thy neighbor"? Falling short of what your God wants?
A lot of that going around.
Treasure Hunter
Well-Known Member
Minds that are viewed as independent are the most manipulated. Come into being and you will know yourself.
That sounds extraordinarily contradictory. Are you suggesting you don't have an indevendent mind, then? If you don't think for yourself who is?
I already exist and know myself. Why would you think otherwise? Is someone filling your head with strange thoughts?
I say God is love and loves creation without distinction. One source is the Bible Matt 5:44-45 using the analogy of the sun and the rain:
44 But I say unto you, love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them that despitefully use you and persecute you,
45 that ye may be the children of your Father who is in Heaven. For He maketh His sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
44 But I say unto you, love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them that despitefully use you and persecute you,
45 that ye may be the children of your Father who is in Heaven. For He maketh His sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Bird123
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Do not look for requirements. Look for what actually is. Do not look for what you want things to be. Look for what actually is. If one limits one's view to what one wants things to be, how much of the view will be missing from sight? One who truly seeks must be open to all possibilities. Real truth will not always be an agreeable thing.
Everything about God will add up perfectly. Everything about this world adds up perfectly. Do not be one who relies on all the religious beliefs of others. It has never ever been about believing.
How about starting with this universe? Why is the universe time-based and causal in nature? What is the purpose? Look for purpose, results, and reason.
Unconditional Love? Why Unconditional Love?
That's what I see. It's very clear!!