nazz
Doubting Thomas
I'm curious. Do you think the Jewish portion of the Scriptures should be removed from the Christian Bible?
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I believe the Bible should be accepted as true because . . . .
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sincerly
Well-Known Member
sincerly said: ↑
Hay, it was because of the Bible that you learned and believed in the first place as you last answer revealed.
Hay, the Catholics have the Bible as their foundation for beliefs.
You believed then, rejected, and now again, it is the Bible(John 1:1+) that you Believe.
"divinity of man"? You are speaking of taking on the characteristics of GOD and not being GOD?
Hay, it was because of the Bible that you learned and believed in the first place as you last answer revealed.
Hay, the Catholics have the Bible as their foundation for beliefs.
You believed then, rejected, and now again, it is the Bible(John 1:1+) that you Believe.
"divinity of man"? You are speaking of taking on the characteristics of GOD and not being GOD?
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Me too!
sincerly
Well-Known Member
sincerly said: ↑
Nazz, did Eve's exposure by the serpent to "higher criticism and learning" lead to Truth and peace or Chaos/death?? Is there any inconsistencies in the plan for the salvation of mankind?---No! Those are the machinations of unbelieving mankind.
Yes, the lying of the serpent taught Eve that HIS Commands are to be obeyed. Death did eventually reduce them to the dust from which they were made.
The Creator GOD is true to HIS word.
Nazz, did Eve's exposure by the serpent to "higher criticism and learning" lead to Truth and peace or Chaos/death?? Is there any inconsistencies in the plan for the salvation of mankind?---No! Those are the machinations of unbelieving mankind.
Yes, the lying of the serpent taught Eve that HIS Commands are to be obeyed. Death did eventually reduce them to the dust from which they were made.
The Creator GOD is true to HIS word.
Levite
Higher and Higher
Ideally, probably. It's seldom well-translated, often misconstrued, and the parts that are used by Christians at all are usually read with considerable Christological eisegetic retrojection. In terms of the commandments, there seems to be little consistency which ones Christians pick to adhere to and/or defend vehemently as immutable word of God, and which they instantly dismiss as irrelevant and archaic. Mostly, it seems to me that the presence of the Hebrew Scriptures in the Christian Bible chiefly serves to reinforce notions of supercessionism, replacement theology, and the misperception that Christianity is some form of Judaism.
But realistically, I know the Hebrew Scriptures will never be removed from the Christian Bible, and it would be an enormous waste of time to try and press for it.
sincerly
Well-Known Member
Levite said: ↑
In any case, I believe the Bible (the Tanach, at least, since the Christian Scriptures aren't a part of my Bible) is for Jews, not for non-Jews.
Levite, knows that Adam and Eve were the source from which all of mankind were produced. Levite, also, knows that the creator GOD "Is not a respecter of persons". Levite knows that the same GOD who spoke from Sinai was speaking(Also) to a "mixed multitude" of peoples who were Not of the linage of Jacob. That same Creator GOD said that HIS Laws were for all who accepted GOD as their GOD.
Nazz, the principles, laws, prophecies, etc., given in the OT were shown to be fulfulled in the NT. They are NOT to be "removed". Those OT experiences are there for/as examples of how GOD has lead HIS believing People; and how mankind has by his own lusts tried to make GOD accept/be tolerant of disobedience.
In any case, I believe the Bible (the Tanach, at least, since the Christian Scriptures aren't a part of my Bible) is for Jews, not for non-Jews.
Levite, knows that Adam and Eve were the source from which all of mankind were produced. Levite, also, knows that the creator GOD "Is not a respecter of persons". Levite knows that the same GOD who spoke from Sinai was speaking(Also) to a "mixed multitude" of peoples who were Not of the linage of Jacob. That same Creator GOD said that HIS Laws were for all who accepted GOD as their GOD.
Nazz, the principles, laws, prophecies, etc., given in the OT were shown to be fulfulled in the NT. They are NOT to be "removed". Those OT experiences are there for/as examples of how GOD has lead HIS believing People; and how mankind has by his own lusts tried to make GOD accept/be tolerant of disobedience.
nazz
Doubting Thomas
Marcion tried but failed. I wonder what Christianity would look like had he succeeded. Some things in the NT might not make sense without those earlier references.
nazz
Doubting Thomas
Sincerly, if you are trying to convince me you are wasting your time.
Sapiens
Polymathematician
Sapiens, the red above says you have beliefs. That is your witness.[/QUOTE]
No, what the red says it that you have no sense of humor.
Levite
Higher and Higher
First of all, Levite knows enough not to read Genesis with absolute literalism, because Levite is not a fundamentalist.
Second of all, Levite may know that God loves all people equally, but also knows that that doesn't mean that God wishes all people to be alike, or does not wish different things from different peoples.
Third of all, Levite, having studied the Talmud and Midrash, knows that those non-Jews of the "mixed multitude" at Sinai, because of their acceptance of the covenant in the moment of revelation, became Jews-- the largest voluntary group conversion in our historical narrative.
And finally, Levite is quite clear that Judaism and Torah are what God wishes of Jews; and whatever God may wish for non-Jewish peoples is not the business or concern of Jews, or of Levite.
sincerly
Well-Known Member
convince? Only showing the messages of what the scriptures(OT and NT) convey. Any "convincing" will be from within yourself.
nazz
Doubting Thomas
I'm completely convinced your views are wrong
sincerly
Well-Known Member
No, what the red says it that you have no sense of humor.[/QUOTE]
"sense of humor"? The Scriptures(Bible) were not given to be funny/hilarious.
Sapiens
Polymathematician
"sense of humor"? The Scriptures(Bible) were not given to be funny/hilarious.[/QUOTE]
Gee ... had me fooled, I thought they were the funniest most ridiculous parody and satire I ever read.
sincerly
Well-Known Member
Therefore, the instructions/ promise that the creator GOD had with Abraham(Gen12:1-3),"and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed". is "NO Concern" to "Jewish people".
Isa.49:6, "And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth".
and it is still """is not the business or concern of Jews,"""??
It is understandable that Jesus Christ who was "dispised and rejected" by the Jewish leaders those many years ago, declared, "thy house is left to you desolate".
First, GOD is/was correct---"Ye are a stiff necked people". The Creator GOD did ALL that HE "spoke into existence".
Second, there is still a "National Pride" which refuses to understand that all peoples are loved by GOD and those who REPENT and submit to GOD'S Will are HIS Children.(The "prevailer/Overcomer")
Third, that "conversion" wasn't to Judaism, but to the "household of GOD"/convocation/assemblage. There were no known people by the "Jewish label" at that time. They were called "Israelites" after Jacob.
And had that group remained faithful/Obedient, all those Prophets would not have been sent for the people to REPENT.
The Tanakh is a better source than the "Talmud and Midrash," for truth.
sincerly
Well-Known Member
So! What else is new?
sincerly
Well-Known Member
Gee ... had me fooled, I thought they were the funniest most ridiculous parody and satire I ever read.[/QUOTE]
Thus, you confess.
Sapiens
Polymathematician
The Bible can be fun:
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And there shall in that time be rumours of things going astray, and there will be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia work base, that has an attachment…at this time, a friend shall lose his friends’s hammer and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before around eight o’clock...
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And there shall in that time be rumours of things going astray, and there will be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia work base, that has an attachment…at this time, a friend shall lose his friends’s hammer and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before around eight o’clock...
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What Jesus blatantly fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem.
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[The audience members at the back of the crowd are having trouble hearing the Sermon on the Mount.]
Man: I think it was, "Blessed are the cheesemakers"!
Gregory's wife: What's so special about the cheesemakers?
Gregory: Well, obviously it's not meant to be taken literally. It refers to any manufacturer of dairy products.
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And there shall in that time be rumours of things going astray, and there will be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia work base, that has an attachment…at this time, a friend shall lose his friends’s hammer and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before around eight o’clock...
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And there shall in that time be rumours of things going astray, and there will be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia work base, that has an attachment…at this time, a friend shall lose his friends’s hammer and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before around eight o’clock...
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What Jesus blatantly fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem.
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[The audience members at the back of the crowd are having trouble hearing the Sermon on the Mount.]
Man: I think it was, "Blessed are the cheesemakers"!
Gregory's wife: What's so special about the cheesemakers?
Gregory: Well, obviously it's not meant to be taken literally. It refers to any manufacturer of dairy products.